[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

As for stoning the woman if she refuses? That may be an interpretation.

Brother, I don't know what I was thinking. I have misread the plain and simple language of God's Word.

Rereading Deuteronomy 20 I realize that not only must a woman who is raped marry her rapist, but she must be stoned after they are married, when she fails to produce the tokens of virginity. So she must sleep with her rapist a second time on their honeymoon and then be executed.

[peckerhead]

But does the father of the girl have a right to refuse the dowery?
Be it the "rapist" is a poor drunken godless fool who sleeps in the gutter?
Or what if the "rapist" cant pay the dowery? does he get his just dues?
Or say the father is a widower, and his only daughter was who was raped, but shes his cook and house cleaner and he doesnt wish to sell her?

[tamara]

Originally Posted by Fallen Myface

She's not crazy, she speaks the truth. The victim here is the girl.
Usually rape is a crime done by a male who has a domination problem. Meaning that he cannot stand for a woman to be free to do as she wishes and plans on shaming her.
It is also usually done by someone she knows and not because she dresses or acts promiscuously, but because she is shy, afraid, and easily overtaken.
Men who do this are the lowest of the low in society and deserve punishment to the full extent of the law.

i one hundred percent agree with everything this man has to say. ok, the bible implies that she must marry her rapist but is that really relevent in the context of modern society? REALLY? the treatment of women, especially hundreds/thousands of years ago, is appalling and in some cultures still is appalling.

put yourself in her shoes for a minute (be you male or female): a PERSON, a stranger, who is of much greater physical strength pins you to the ground, and forces things upon you of a sexual nature in a humilliating and painful fashion, in full view of the LORD himself (proof that the perpitraitor is a satan worshipping cretin, if he is willing to do THAT in the presence of God), leaving you with both mental and physical scars which will take a long time to heal.

I am asking you to emphasize with the woman for this part: After this horrible ordeal, you find out that you are carrying this brute's bastard child? and imagine if that child was born? imagine growing up knowing the story of your conception, with a rapist for a father and a terrified victim for a mother? the child should be given to the lord to be SAVED, and the evil thing that did this to any fellow human should be thrown in prison and raped homosexually by his fellow scum.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tamara

i one hundred percent agree with everything this man has to say. ok, the bible implies that she must marry her rapist but is that really relevent in the context of modern society? REALLY? the treatment of women, especially hundreds/thousands of years ago, is appalling and in some cultures still is appalling.

put yourself in her shoes for a minute (be you male or female): a PERSON, a stranger, who is of much greater physical strength pins you to the ground, and forces things upon you of a sexual nature in a humilliating and painful fashion, in full view of the LORD himself (proof that the perpitraitor is a satan worshipping cretin, if he is willing to do THAT in the presence of God), leaving you with both mental and physical scars which will take a long time to heal.

I am asking you to emphasize with the woman for this part: After this horrible ordeal, you find out that you are carrying this brute's bastard child? and imagine if that child was born? imagine growing up knowing the story of your conception, with a rapist for a father and a terrified victim for a mother? the child should be given to the lord to be SAVED, and the evil thing that did this to any fellow human should be thrown in prison and raped homosexually by his fellow scum.

Do you think you are smarter than God? A woman?

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by peckerhead

But does the father of the girl have a right to refuse the dowery?...Or say the father is a widower, and his only daughter was who was raped, but shes his cook and house cleaner and he doesnt wish to sell her?

I already answered these points.

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

...You, as her father, have the DUTY to accept the shekels (or point out where in the Scripture it says you have any choice in the matter)...

...Be it the "rapist" is a poor drunken godless fool who sleeps in the gutter?
Or what if the "rapist" cant pay the dowery? does he get his just dues?...

Those would be unpaid debts. I'm not very familiar with the Scriptures covering that subject, so if one of the TC's or better yet a Pastor could handle this one?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by peckhead

MitzaLizalor:
So what your saying here is

I'm not saying anything. God is. The Scripture has been quoted very frequently throughout the thread, why not read it?

Oh and has anyone considered the inflation rate on $190 over 2000 years ago? what would the price be in todays market?

The indexed silver shekel rate is also updated regularly. HERE'S FEBRUARY'S UPDATE and in future I'd suggest the search function if you can find it at the bottom of each page; I just used it to find my last post on subj., it took about ¼sec.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by tamara

put yourself in her shoes for a minute

It doesn't take much imagination. Let's pretend the scenario plays out as you say: She walks home dressed like a slut, a man's sinful nature gets the best of him and he falls prey to lust. He takes her forcefully (arguably, since she did "ask" for it in that she clearly advertised herself as "open for business" if you get my meaning). Now if she were to trust the LORD, I mean really, truly trust Him, He would be faithful to His promises and bless her richly! Just think this beautiful world we live in came about after the Flood! God took tragedy (willfully killing every plant, animal, insect and human save the few that He deigned to fit on the ark) and brought forth great triumph! This triumph I'm talking about is of course JESUS! So a woman who is otherwise a whore may be saved from the eternal pits of Hell by learning about JESUS because of a rape-experience!

God is good all the time! ALL the time God is good!

[tamara]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

Do you think you are smarter than God? A woman?

okay, i'm going to be open and honest here as i'm about to get banned from this site anyway. i signed up here because i watched a documentary on america's baptist churches. you were portrated rather negatatively and i thought to myself, surely people this narrow minded, this delusional, this downright INSANE can't really exist.

I was genuinely interested in your culture, the way things work, and your beliefs. So I had a look through this and some other pages, and still can't quite believe it. that documentary got it spot on. it was something by louis theroux.

anyway, since there is nothing i can say to make you realise the vast, VAST extent to which you and your church's way of life is flawed (i am just a woman, after all, a brainless robot which people like you marry to ensure the neighbours don't suspect your heavily, HEAVILY suppressed homosexuality) i can do nothing more than mirror your agruing style, although a famous philosopher once said arguing with a fundie is like trying to make the tide go out by yelling at it.

anyway, if i'm perfectly honest i feel deeply sorry for you. your belief system and piffleed up logic has obviously been bred into your family for generations and it saddens me that said system has not died out yet. i'll leave you with some food for thought. probably not, but i have your kind constantly trying to save me with bible verses so i ask you to read something "crazy":

"Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time."

This is why i feel such sympathy for the younger members of your cult... sorry, church... such as Felicity, a beautiful young woman who could have had so much potential but sadly has been brainwashed and so will never know the joys of this ROUND and beautiful world or even have the chance to learn about it, to learn that all life began by pure accident and the laws of science and of evolution are all that is responsible for our world today

The bible is most likely the memoirs of some random pauper who discovered illegal drugs by accident and had a psychadelic experience, or a story book that has been twisted waaaay out of hand.

Don't get me wrong, i am an agnostic. I am well aware of the fact that there COULD be a higher being. But there is no solid proof, and for science we have centuries worth of cold, hard evidence.

After reading this forum i felt my blood boil, but i thought i might get involved and try to see things from the other side.

However, after seeing your condescending, vile, audacious comment sneering at my gender i decided i've read enough and will thus end my research right here. I will never understand this dated, mad culture.

i got my two cents, if this falls on even one pair of ears, deaf or otherwise, i'll be happy.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tamara

However, after seeing your condescending, vile, audacious comment sneering at my gender i decided i've read enough and will thus end my research right here. I will never understand this dated, mad culture.

i got my two cents, if this falls on even one pair of ears, deaf or otherwise, i'll be happy.

It is audacious and condescending to think that a woman is less wise than God Almighty?

It is incredible what the secular left has done to pervert the thinking of an already addled set of minds.

[peckerhead]

Awesome, I have friends that are unmarried. So if they go up and rape your daughters as long as they have $1186.32 they'll have themselfs a nice new bride!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by peckhead

Awesome, I have friends that are unmarried. So if they go up and rape your daughters as long as they have $1186.32 they'll have themselfs a nice new bride!

I gave all my daughters up for adoption. Having a wife is enough of a liability.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by peckhead

Awesome, I have friends that are unmarried. So if they go up and rape your daughters as long as they have $1186.32 they'll have themselfs a nice new bride!

Whom they cannot divorce. Ever. For any reason.

[peckerhead]

Who said anything about divorce?

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by peckhead

Awesome, I have friends that are unmarried. So if they go up and rape your daughters as long as they have $1186.32 they'll have themselfs a nice new bride!

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Whom they cannot divorce. Ever. For any reason.

And it gets even better if the girls happen to be engaged or betrothed!

I know Rodimer knows what happens then. Let's see if Puckhead can figure it out.

[christinebible6]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Yes This is what God commands us to do. I think your problem is that you see rape as some sort of offence against the girl. It is not. It is an offence against her father. And her father does not "ask her to marry" the rapist - God commands the rapist to compensate the father and marry the girl. There are other provisions if ownership of the girl has been transferred to some third party, all mentioned in the thread. Read it.

Or better still, read The Bible. God made you and God knows what is best for you. And no amount of "thinking" will change that fact.

PSALM 119:77 Let thy tender mercies come vnto me, that I may liue: for thy lawe is my delight
©1611

Praise Him!

*profane sodomite hysteria removed*

[christinebible6]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Please point out in the Scripture where it says "50 shekels of silver (adjusted for inflation)".

*irrelevant nonsense deleted*

[Dr Laurence Niles]

a PERSON, a stranger, who is of much greater physical strength pins you to the ground, and forces things upon you of a sexual nature in a humilliating and painful fashion,

Why in God's name do you have to bring your rape fantasies to a family web site?

I can only thank the Good Lord himself that my young, limber, clean limbed young Nephew is not visiting (being a school day) and I don't now have to explain the grim world of sadomasochism, dungeons, role play, gimp suits and forced, brutal sexual predation.

You people make me sick

All the best.

[christinebible6]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Please point out in the Scripture where it says "50 shekels of silver (adjusted for inflation)".

lol

[loveyourneighbor]

Most of you, (except the ones defending the POOR GIRL) are WACKOS!!! Are you effing kidding me?!?!?! The girl was RAPED (see difinition below). It is a CRIME. Grow a pair, join reality, and stop polluting society with your twisted BS.

Jesus said to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. He calls us to DO NO HARM.

"Cause I heard Jesus he drank wine
And I bet we'd get along just fine
He could calm a storm and heal the blind
And I bet he'd understand a heart like mine"



rape/rāp/


Noun:

• The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of violence.
• A plant (genus Brassica) of the cabbage family with bright yellow, heavily scented flowers, esp. a variety (oilseed rape) grown for its...
• The stalks and skins of grapes left after winemaking, used in making vinegar.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by loveyourneighbor

Most of you, (except the ones defending the POOR GIRL) are WACKOS!!! Are you effing kidding me?!?!?! The girl was RAPED (see difinition below). It is a CRIME. Grow a pair, join reality, and stop polluting society with your twisted BS.

Jesus said to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. He calls us to DO NO HARM.

"Cause I heard Jesus he drank wine
And I bet we'd get along just fine
He could calm a storm and heal the blind
And I bet he'd understand a heart like mine"



rape/rāp/


Noun:

• The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of violence.
• A plant (genus Brassica) of the cabbage family with bright yellow, heavily scented flowers, esp. a variety (oilseed rape) grown for its...
• The stalks and skins of grapes left after winemaking, used in making vinegar.

Who is my neighbour?