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Default What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?? - 10-16-2008, 08:04 PM

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I recently received a letter from a concerned parent. In the letter she told me that her daughter had been raped, but was refusing to marry her rapist as per Deuteronomy 22:28-29. The stupid girl actually wants to press charges on the man!

Not only that, but that she also plans to kill the poor unborn baby her rapist had given her! Sickening! Have young people today got NO morals?

Any and all advice on what I can say to convince this girl to do the right thing would be great. Should I start with the basics ?

"Whore, you'll burn in Hell for all eternity - unless you marry your rapist"??

Or should I go for a more subtle approach??

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Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 10-16-2008, 08:14 PM

Also, she might be able to spare that poor man prison time if she doesn't cry rape.


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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 06-18-2009, 08:12 PM

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Also, she might be able to spare that poor man prison time if she doesn't cry rape.
Spare him some prison time??
what is wrong with you. He should be in prison, It would be wrong for her to marry him, you should not let someone that raped her get away with it. It would be wrong for a man that raped a young boy to get away with it, why is it fine for a man that rapes a girl and gets her pregnant? It is immoral. It would also be sinful to let him get away with this, and make this poor girl live with him and support him? This is so wrong, you people have the worst morals, and you go to church everyweek? God would be so upset with you. you are so blind. Why would she go to you for help?
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Spare him some prison time??
what is wrong with you. He should be in prison, It would be wrong for her to marry him, you should not let someone that raped her get away with it. It would be wrong for a man that raped a young boy to get away with it, why is it fine for a man that rapes a girl and gets her pregnant? It is immoral. It would also be sinful to let him get away with this, and make this poor girl live with him and support him? This is so wrong, you people have the worst morals, and you go to church everyweek? God would be so upset with you. you are so blind. Why would she go to you for help?
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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 06-07-2010, 09:13 AM

Here is what people who don't belong to this church need to understand.

1. The people of this church follow the bible word for word. Literally.

Literally.

2. Arguing what you think Jesus is with them is pointless, because since they believe everything in the Bible, EVERYTHING, they are some of the few people in the WORLD who can actually use bible verses without being hypocrites.

3. In this board, if you don't have the bible verse to back up your claim, you're pretty much wrong. All of these lovey-dovey images and ideas of jesus are wrong, because they stemmed from christians who cherry picked the good stuff from the bad stuff, which is what these people don't like. They take EVERYTHING from the bible, and believe it with frightening...umm.. enthusiasm.

4. I think they are terrible human beings for what they believe... but that is besides the point. What everyone has been doing is trying to fight in their territory. Since they believe EVERYTHING in the bible, you can't argue with them.. because they're technically right. If you are trying to convince them Jesus is a certain way, but an actual bible verse says otherwise... considering the opposing party actually believes the entire book... you're wrong, and they're right. It's the same exact way as if you were arguing about something in the field of science, the only difference being... well I should say in this case that's the only similarity, because both subjects are pretty much polar opposite in every way.

In conclusion... just let them be, no matter how much it pains you how wrong you think they are... in this particular battle, you can't win.

P.S., However; they don't take into account different translations I've noticed. I've seen many posts saying "No, it doesn't say this, it says THIS. See how the comma is in a different place and gives it a whole new meaning? That's what WE believe, yours is wrong." Then that stems into what makes one version better than the other, blah blah blah, pointless stuff to argue considering I'm in their realm, and what governs the rules are verses in the Bible, which I can't compete with.

In my most final conclusion-y conclusion, just forget about it. Leave them be. In their realm, what rules are Bible versus, and subsequently, that means they're right xD.

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Much of the responses to people in obvious objection to your opinions have ended in you (collective you) calling them: witches, whores/sluts, demons, etc. Why do you use such hurtful language to people who aren't "witches," who most likely aren't sexually promiscuous, and who obviously aren't satan possessed. I can tell you right now I don't worship satan or sleep around. Are you going to call me names even though I've approached your forum calmly even though I could have reacted like every single other yahoo you've seen in the past 2 years on this thread? It would make me in my
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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 06-07-2010, 09:43 PM

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Here is what people who don't belong to this church need to understand.

1. The people of this church follow the bible word for word. Literally.

Literally.

2. Arguing what you think Jesus is with them is pointless, because since they believe everything in the Bible, EVERYTHING, they are some of the few people in the WORLD who can actually use bible verses without being hypocrites.

3. In this board, if you don't have the bible verse to back up your claim, you're pretty much wrong. All of these lovey-dovey images and ideas of jesus are wrong, because they stemmed from christians who cherry picked the good stuff from the bad stuff, which is what these people don't like. They take EVERYTHING from the bible, and believe it with frightening...umm.. enthusiasm.

4. I think they are terrible human beings for what they believe... but that is besides the point. What everyone has been doing is trying to fight in their territory. Since they believe EVERYTHING in the bible, you can't argue with them.. because they're technically right. If you are trying to convince them Jesus is a certain way, but an actual bible verse says otherwise... considering the opposing party actually believes the entire book... you're wrong, and they're right. It's the same exact way as if you were arguing about something in the field of science, the only difference being... well I should say in this case that's the only similarity, because both subjects are pretty much polar opposite in every way.

In conclusion... just let them be, no matter how much it pains you how wrong you think they are... in this particular battle, you can't win.

P.S., However; they don't take into account different translations I've noticed. I've seen many posts saying "No, it doesn't say this, it says THIS. See how the comma is in a different place and gives it a whole new meaning? That's what WE believe, yours is wrong." Then that stems into what makes one version better than the other, blah blah blah, pointless stuff to argue considering I'm in their realm, and what governs the rules are verses in the Bible, which I can't compete with.

In my most final conclusion-y conclusion, just forget about it. Leave them be. In their realm, what rules are Bible versus, and subsequently, that means they're right xD.

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Much of the responses to people in obvious objection to your opinions have ended in you (collective you) calling them: witches, whores/sluts, demons, etc. Why do you use such hurtful language to people who aren't "witches," who most likely aren't sexually promiscuous, and who obviously aren't satan possessed. I can tell you right now I don't worship satan or sleep around. Are you going to call me names even though I've approached your forum calmly even though I could have reacted like every single other yahoo you've seen in the past 2 years on this thread? It would make me in my
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So, I was brought up Baptist for most of my young life. I will say it was instrument to my not being involved in any devious activities as a young person. Now, on to this whole subject. Some of you said that this marriage should be completely condoned, based partly on the fact that she was mostly asking for it. Dressing up slutty, all that nonsense. Now take this into mind: does it not say, somewhere in the Bible, that we were created to rule above other animals? Do forgive me for not having the direct quotation handy, but you would all agree that I am correct in that statement, correct? And what are the qualities that separate us humans from the rest of the animal kingdom? A higher consciousness, one that is aware of a sense of morality, right and wrong, the ability to resist temptation, am I still correct? In fact, our ability to control when we mate is one of the key differences between us and the animals.

So, to be honest, the girl should not be the one at fault here. The male in this case is old enough to realize that not only is this girl underage, but is still incapable of making her own life decisions, and it was she who was subjugated to his will when he was a full-grown Christian man who should have resisted his desires and taken a more proper course. She is not to blame in the least, and should not be obligated to bond her life in marriage with such an irresponsible and possibly sick-minded adult, nor should she have the need to keep the child, though certainly it would be better to adopt it rather than abort it, that way she gives both the child a life still and is able to continue herself to recovery, education and religious studies in which to find solace.
So what exactly happened to your Baptist upbringing? Or was it one of those fuzzy love-fest churches that call themselves Baptist?

Read the Bible, it's been repeated continuously throughout this thread. What does God have to say about rape? Whether or not you find it offensive is of no matter. If you have a problem with Gods rules, take it up with him.


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I signed up to just say, fully expecting a prompt banning, that for a group that hates muslims, what you espouse sounds alot like sharia law. And BTW, Jesus was a jew and therefor so are you. Also, that also makes him a [Racial Slur Deleted] as one put it many pages back. It is ignorant backward people like you that make me glad to be an atheist and that the government is non-theistic. Put the oval office in the hands of this "church" of hate and the US will be set back 4000 years.
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I signed up to just say, fully expecting a prompt banning, that for a group that hates muslims, what you espouse sounds alot like sharia law.
Nobody here hates Muslims. We hate the fact that God will cast them all into eternal torment for their nonbelief, and pray that they come to Jesus. And stop trying to convert Christians to Islam.

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Sorry, Jesus is God. Jews worship God.

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That'd be a neat trick, given that Jesus was born just over 2,000 years ago.

Are you suggesting that when Christians control the White House again (as we did with GW Bush) and ALSO control both houses of Congress, the United States will be submerged under the Flood?

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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 08-04-2011, 10:47 PM

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Also, she might be able to spare that poor man prison time if she doesn't cry rape.
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Also, she might be able to spare that poor man prison time if she doesn't cry rape.
this man committed a serious felony I think punishment is needed and if these people were to wed think of the possibilities if you are not ready to start a relationship you shouldn't have to as this will create a uneven balance for both the couple and the child
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this man committed a serious felony I think punishment is needed and if these people were to wed think of the possibilities if you are not ready to start a relationship you shouldn't have to as this will create a uneven balance for both the couple and the child
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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 01-09-2013, 04:16 AM

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this man committed a serious felony I think punishment is needed and if these people were to wed think of the possibilities if you are not ready to start a relationship you shouldn't have to as this will create a uneven balance for both the couple and the child
Hi and welcome to our friendly forums!

Would you ever so kindly tell us where in the KVJ Holy Bible you read that God wants an "even balance" for the couple or any child?

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not ready to start a relationship you shouldn't have to
Did that maniac not understand the "relationship" to be an established fact? I begin to despair that the sub-literacy agenda will lead all state educated trash immediately to the crackhouse it is so sad, Mrs Etheldreda.





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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 01-16-2013, 11:35 AM

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this man committed a serious felony I think punishment is needed and if these people were to wed think of the possibilities if you are not ready to start a relationship you shouldn't have to as this will create a uneven balance for both the couple and the child
It is a known fact that the "victims" enjoy being violated, so there are absolutely no reasons for the young harlot to not marry the "rapist".


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I recently received a letter from a concerned parent. In the letter she told me that her daughter had been raped, but was refusing to marry her rapist. The stupid girl actually wants to press charges on the man!
Is the potential husband refusing to pay the 50 Shekels? If so, it's a job for her father and her brothers.

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Not only that, but that she also plans to kill the poor unborn baby her rapist had given her!
I suggest a copy of Mrs Palin's video on this matter.

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Any and all advice on what I can say to convince this girl to do the right thing would be great. Should I start with the basics ?
I think the first approach should certainly be to the father! I cannot see for a moment why she has the ability to refuse! Her wishes are of absolutely no importance whatsoever.




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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 12-14-2008, 10:44 PM

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Is the potential husband refusing to pay the 50 Shekels? If so, it's a job for her father and her brothers.

I suggest a copy of Mrs Palin's video on this matter.

I think the first approach should certainly be to the father! I cannot see for a moment why she has the ability to refuse! Her wishes are of absolutely no importance whatsoever.
Why not just kill the rapist????????????????????????
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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 12-15-2008, 12:00 AM

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Why not just kill the rapist????????????????????????
Because it's a woman's fault if she is raped. CAN'T YOU READ?!?!?!? Even the backward mudslums understand that much. Didn't you read about the young girl who was gang-raped and they just stoned her to death? It's probably still a current news item.

Happens all the time.


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Default Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist? - 03-16-2010, 12:33 PM

The difference is that according to the Qu'ran, if a woman is raped and can provide a certain amount of witnesses (2 men or 4 women), the rapist is killed and she is forgiven. Essentially, if she can provide enough witnesses, it's not her fault. If she can't provide witnesses, her family or community performs an honor killing, much like what is required in the Bible.
I know it's not what you believe, and I'm not trying to offend. But While Muslim law is harsh, according to the Quaran women are actually allowed more freedom than in Christianity.

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Because it's a woman's fault if she is raped. CAN'T YOU READ?!?!?!? Even the backward mudslums understand that much. Didn't you read about the young girl who was gang-raped and they just stoned her to death? It's probably still a current news item.

Happens all the time.
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