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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 04-27-2011, 02:49 AM

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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 04-29-2011, 02:32 AM

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Yes , I am definitely more interested in what the bible has to say.
Even though you have crazy ideas about it, you know your Bible pretty well. I didn't think they let you guys study the Word on your own.
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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 04-29-2011, 03:45 AM

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Even though you have crazy ideas about it, you know your Bible pretty well. I didn't think they let you guys study the Word on your own.
Actually we have been just talking about the basics. The bible is really outstanding when getting into much more depth.( especially for our day)
I don't mean this in that I have figured this all out on my own. Because that is not true.
But I do have an interest in science and the bible. So I have made it a point of learning as much as I can, about both.
I don't like contradictions, or mystery. And then I went were the evidence took me.
I see so much misinformation, I like to try to get people at least take a another look at what they believe in.( or think they believe in).
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I see so much misinformation, I like to try to get people at least take a another look at what they believe in.( or think they believe in).
Yeah, we try to do that too.
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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 04-29-2011, 04:39 AM

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Yeah, we try to do that too.
But there is a big difference , in what we believe and how things are done , the question is why?
God is not divided with himself, so there is no need for 100's of Christian 'religions'.
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But there is a big difference , in what we believe and how things are done , the question is why?
God is not divided with himself, so there is no need for 100's of Christian 'religions'.
You are finally right about something!

There is only one True Christian religion, Landover Baptist is the narrow gate!


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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 04-29-2011, 01:59 PM

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You are finally right about something!

There is only one True Christian religion, Landover Baptist is the narrow gate!
Then you would have to explain why, yours are the correct 'religion'?
( I'm out town for a few days, if your interested I can continue then)
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Then you would have to explain why, yours are the correct 'religion'?
( I'm out town for a few days, if your interested I can continue then)
That's easy!

We're the ONLY Christian church that follows the ENTIRE 1611 King James Bible, every single verse!

We read it as GOD tells us to, as a child would; we take it all at face value.

Once you do that, everything make sense. The Good Book ceases to be a mystery, and it all becomes very obvious.

Do it... you'll see.


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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 05-24-2011, 05:27 AM

Seriously guys? Must I inform you of the discrepancies of your 1611 KJV?

  1. In the preface to the KJV 1611 the translators do not claim that this is an inspired perfect translation. (See The Holy Bible 1611 Edition: King James Version published by Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1982; reprint of the 1611 KJV). See also Translating for King James: Notes made by a translator(John Bois) of the King James's Bible translated by Ward Allen published by Vanderbilt University Press, 1969. The translators noted the differences in the Greek texts. The marginal note of Luke 17:36 states, "This 36th verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies."
  2. The KJV translators were limited in the manuscripts available to them. The Dead Sea Scrolls had not been discovered yet (1947). (See The Dead Sea Scroll Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated For the First Time into English by Abegg, Flint, and Ulrich, published by Harper San Fancisco, 1999; also see The Text of the Old Testament by Ernst Wurthwein published by Eerdmans, 1979; Textual Criticism: Recovering the Text of the Hebrew Bible by P. Kyle McCarter published by Fortress Press, 1986). Ancient Greek manuscripts had not yet been uncovered. Aleph, a fourth century AD codex, was discovered in 1859 by Tischendorf in the monastery of St. Catharine at Mt. Sinai. Codex Vaticanus from fourth century AD at the great Vatican Library at Rome was not made available until a photographic facsimile was published in 1889-90.(See The Text of the New Testament By Bruce Metzger published by Oxford University Press, 1964).
  3. The current KJV being printed differs in a number of details from the KJV 1611. There are also numerous printing errors in different editions of the KJV. The 1611 editions have "Then cometh Judas" instead of "Then cometh Jesus" in Matthew 26:36. There is the "Wicked Bible" edition of the KJV where "not" is omitted from the seventh commandment saying, "thou shalt commit adultery." William Kilburne in 1659 found 20,000 errors in six different KJV's. In 1701 Bishop Lloyd added the chronology of Bishop Ussher. Even today there are differences between the KJV published by Oxford, Cambridge, and Nelson publishers (See The English Bible from KJV to NIV: A History and Evaluation by Jack P. Lewis, published by Baker, 1981).
  4. The original KJV 1611 included the Apocrypha. Is only part of the KJV 1611 or is all of it inspired by God? How can it be the perfect translation if it has the Apocrypha?
  5. There are a number of places especially in the Book of Revelation where there is no Greek manuscript evidence for the words. For example, no Greek text says "book of life" in Revelation 22:19. The Greek says, "tree of life." I John 5:8 is a later addition not found in Greek manuscripts before the 16th century.
  6. The Majority Text, the Textus Receptus, and KJV all disagree. See The Greek New Testament According to the Majority Text by Zane Hodges and Arthur Farstad published by Nelson, 1982. When I was in Seminary there was a big debate over the Majority text verses the Alexandrian Text (the older but fewer texts).
  7. A number of words are mistranslated by the KJV. The KJV is not a perfect word for word translation. There is some paraphrasing like "God save the king" (I Samuel 10:24, II Samuel 16:16, I Kings 1:25, and II Kings 11:12). About 1,000 Greek words and particles were not translated by the KJV. A number of words are mistranslated like John 20:17 which says, "Touch me not" should be rendered "Do not keep on holding me" (Lewis, 46; He lists a number of mistranslations). The Bible was not originally divided up into verse divisions. They did not understand Hebrew poetry. Chapter divisions are also questionable like where Genesis one ends. The use of italics is misunderstood by readers who put emphasis on it, instead of it being questionable reading like "unknown tongue" in I Corinthians 14 and the speaking in tongues movement.
  8. A number of words have changed in meaning from the KJV 1611. Some are just the opposite in meaning. For example, "let" means "hinder," "lust" means "desire" which is not all ways bad, "fair" means "beautiful" not just average, "quick" means "living" and "nephews" means "grandchildren." "Corn" means "grain" for corn was only found in North and South America by the Indians.
  9. There are several animals mentioned in the KJV that are mythical:

    Unicorns
    The "Unicorn" is mentioned nine times in the KJV (Numbers 23:22; 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Job 39:9,10; Psalm 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isaiah 34:7). In Deuteronomy 33:17 it says the unicorn has "horns" plural, so the KJV solved this problem by translating "unicorn" as plural "unicorns." It is an unfortunate translation of the Hebrew "reem" which means "wild ox" (BDB, 910b). It seems that the LXX translation made the error which was carried over into the Latin unicornis. The idea of a unicorn probably came from seeing a rhinoceros. In the Middle Ages when fossil tusks or horns were found, they were said to come from unicorns (Gayrard-Valy, 22). At the last ICC there were rumors of unicorns in California.

    Dragons
    In the Old Testament the KJV uses the term "dragon" for the Hebrew words tannim meaning "jackals" and tannin meaning "serpent, or sea monster" (BDB, 1072; Gesenius, 868-9). It seems the KJV mistranslated these two separate words. Tannim is from the root tan meaning "to howl" and tannin is from the root tanan "to smoke" (Ibid.). Jackals are known for their howling, and are associated with desolate areas. Tannin or "smokers" probably came from seeing the spouts of whales or the snorting of animals which looked like smoke coming from a fire inside. Our warm breathe in winter looks like smoke. This is probably how the idea of fire-breathing dragons started. The Hebrew is not referring to any dinosaurs.

    The KJV uses the term "dragon" which comes from the Greek word drakon which means "serpent." It refers to a monster with a scaly snake like body. The Greek New Testament uses drakon 12 times only in the book of Revelation which the KJV translates as "dragon" (Rev. 12-13, 16:13, 20:2). The dragon in Revelation has seven heads similar to the leviathan in Ugaritic and Psalm 74:14 (Gibson, 50, 68; Walace, 290). Satan is called a "dragon" in Revelation 20:2.

    Satyr
    The Satyr is a mythical creature that was half-man and half-goat. Isaiah 13:21 and 34:14 mentions this creature in the KJV. In the Hebrew there are two more occurrences in Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 also possibly 2 Kings 23:8. "Scholars suggest that this nom. depicts some type of demon that exhibited the likeness of a goat and was closely associated with idolatry and the high places" (New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis Vol.3, 1260).

    There is also the mention of the cockatrice (Isaiah 11:8, 14:29, 59:5; Jeremiah 8:17) and the arrowsnake (Genesis 49:11, margin).
  10. There are theological problems with the KJV. The translators are coming from a Anglican Church bias. Their view of Baptism and church comes through in the translation. Church terms are used for leaders. The words at the Lord's Table "the broken body of the Lord" (I Corinthians 11:24) are used. Some also say it has a Calvinistic bias.

Conclusions

The KJV is a good translation, but it is not perfect. It is outdated. There are better modern translations that make the Bible easier to read and understand. I like the NIV Study Bible the best.
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There is no such thing as a perfect translation of the Bible. It's just not going to happen. When you translate one work from another, it relies heavily on interpretation, in which case someone's biased opinion can easily wind up in the translation.


I still believe you all are saved, but you are missing out on the gifts of the Spirit. And I'm not saying stop using the KJV, I'm just asking that you let go of pride and realize that not even the KJV is perfect.
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I can anytime make a web pages called historical facts and claim that Henry the hippie was a king of the world in 1600 century.

Realitykid, are you really so stupid that you believe everything that some Satan's agent has written? Does retardness come within a pack with false christianity?

Wake up girl, not everything in internets is true.

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Seriously guys? Must I inform you of the discrepancies of your 1611 KJV?

Conclusions

The KJV is a good translation, but it is not perfect. It is outdated. There are better modern translations that make the Bible easier to read and understand. I like the NIV Study Bible the best.
-Dr. Stephen C. Meyers
Look up the following verses for me in the NIV, please.

Matthew 12:47

Matthew 17:21

Matthew 18:11

Matthew 21:44

Matthew 23:14

Mark 7:16

Mark 9:44

Mark 9:46

Mark 11:26

Mark 15:28

Mark 16:9-20

Luke 17:36

Luke 22:44

Luke 22:43

Luke 23:17

John 5:4

John 7:53-8:11

Acts 8:37

Acts 15:34

Acts 24:7

Acts 28:29

Romans 16:24

I John 5:7

I rest my case.


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I still believe you all are saved, but you are missing out on the gifts of the Spirit. And I'm not saying stop using the KJV, I'm just asking that you let go of pride and realize that not even the KJV is perfect.
If the KJV is imperfect, the NIV is a travesty.
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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 05-24-2011, 06:28 AM

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Greetings in Jesus' name.

We're sure you must have been wondering if we'd ever write you back! We have several reasons for the delay, but the primary one centers around the apparent futility of it. By this we mean that you seem unmovable, as we are, regarding this divisive subject, which you brought up and made an issue, that is, the KJV is the only reliable English Bible.

First, please note that we do not try to defend the sole use of the NIV (or any version) as the only reliable English Bible. This should be apparent by looking at our ministry catalog. It is our opinion that the best method is to study several different translations and have a Greek-English interlinear handy if possible. We have received great blessings from reading versions such as The Amplified Bible, The Wuest translation and Young's Literal.

I used to read the KJV for the first five years after I was saved. (By the way, I was saved by reading a Bible that wasn't the KJV! As a former Catholic, I would never have trusted any translation other than a Catholic Bible, so that is what I read and got saved through!) When I finally switched from the KJV to the NIV, my comprehension of the Word of God soared. What I struggled to understand from the KJV was now easily understood!

While reading the KJV, I had come across "unicorn(s)" (Num. 23:22; 24:8; Deut. 33:17; Job 39:9,10; Psa. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isa. 34:7) and knew they were authentic animals and it momentarily cast a shred of doubt over me about the inspiration of the Bible! Thank God this did not stop me from continuing in the Scriptures!

The bottom line in all of this is that one must be able to understand the Word of God. In regard to this, there are at least 827 words and phrases in the days of King James that have changed their meaning or are no longer used in our modern, everyday English language, i.e., suffer, filthy lucre, quick, lunatick, wax, charity, gay clothing, etc.! This is just a partial listing.

The King James Bible Word Book by Ronald Bridges and Luther A. Weigle, published by Thomas Nelson Publishers, states the following on the inside jacket:


"Did you know that in the King James Version of the Bible the word 'advertise' means 'tell,' 'allege' means 'prove,' and 'conversation' means 'behavior'? That 'communicate' means 'share,' 'take through' means 'be anxious,' and 'prevent' means 'precede'? That 'meat' is a general term for 'food,' and 'anon' and 'by and by' translate Greek words which mean 'immediately'?
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These words -- and many like them -- made perfect sense to readers when the KJV was published in 1611. But today, after nearly four centuries of changes in English, few readers know what such words mean. And most readers miss the riches of the all-time favorite King James Bible"
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A clear example of this shines forth by comparing the KJV to the NIV and NKJV. Heb. 2:18 in each translation reads:

"For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted" (KJV).

"Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted" (NIV).

"For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted" (NKJV).


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By the way, I have given you a link as to where I borrowed this information. It isn't plagiarism as I am not taking credit for it.
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blaa blaa blaa...
I stopped reading the True Bible and started to serve Satan
blaa blaa blaa
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Default Re: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones - 05-24-2011, 06:48 AM

How do you know that those verses are even supposed to be in the Bible? As far as I know, the NIV was translated from more reliable manuscripts than those of the KJV. And in the cases where the verse is omitted, you can usually find the verse in the footnotes. The validity of such verses is most likely in question. If you cannot find the verses then it's most likely because the validity of the verses have been decided and it didn't work out in their favor.
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YEARS OF FAMINE
(KJV) Contradiction 1: Choose thee either three years' famine... I Chronicles 21:11
(KJV) Contradiction 2: Shall seven years of famine come unto thee... II Samuel 24:13
(NIV) Accurate: Take your choice: three years of famine... I Chronicles 21:11
(NIV) Accurate: Shall there come upon you three years of famine... II Samuel 24:13

Though the Masoretic text shows conflicting amounts between three and seven years, the Greek Septuagint
reveals the possible accurate length of three years in both verses.

HOW OLD WAS JEHOIACHIN WHEN HE BEGAN TO REIGN?
(KJV) Contradiction 1: Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... II Chronicles 36:9
(KJV) Contradiction 2: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... II Kings 24:8

(NIV) Accurate: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king... II Chronicles 36:9

Pre-Masoretic manuscripts record the presumably correct age as being 18 in both verses.

THE AMOUNT OF KING SOLOMON'S HORSES & STALLS
(KJV) Contradiction 1: Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots... I Kings 4:26
(KJV) Contradiction 2: Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots... II Chronicles 9:25

(NIV) Correct: Solomon had four thousand stalls for chariot horses... I Kings 4:26
(NIV) Correct: Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots... II Chronicles 9:25

The Septuagint states the possible correct amount as being 4,000 in both verses.

To demonstrate how easily a scribal error could be committed, I listed the text below as it appears in the
Masoretic Text and highlighted the discrepancies in red font. If anyone notices any errors in my Hebrew, please
let me know! :-)

KING BAASHA BATTLED ASA IN THE 36TH YEAR OF HIS REIGN BUT DIED DURING THE 26TH YEAR
(KJV) Contradiction 1: So Baasha slept with his fathers...in the twenty sixth year of Asa... I Kings 16:6,8
(KJV) Contradiction 2: In the six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa... II Chronicles 16:1




Now that we understand the basic principles behind scribal errors, here are a few other contradictions that may
be resolved through the same means:

THE AMOUNT OF GOLD TALENTS SOLOMON RECEIVED
(KJV) Contradiction 1: [They] fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to
king Solomon...
I Kings 9:28
(KJV) Contradiction 2: [They] took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king
Solomon...
II Chronicles 8:18

THE AGE OF KING AHAZI'AH WHEN HE BEGAN HIS REIGN
(KJV) Contradiction 1: Two and twenty years old was Ahazi'ah when he began to reign... II Kings 8:26
(KJV) Contradiction 2: Forty and two years old was Ahazi'ah when he began to reign... II Chronicles 22:2

THE AMOUNT OF SUPERVISORS FOR SOLOMON'S TEMPLE PROJECT
(KJV) Contradiction 1: Solomon's officers were... three thousand and three hundred... I Kings 5:16
(KJV) Contradiction 2: Solomon told...three thousand and six hundred to oversee them... II Chronicles 2:2

THE AMOUNT OF ARAMEAN CHARIOTEERS KILLED BY DAVID
(KJV) Contradiction 1: David slew the men of seven hundred chariots... II Samuel 10:18
(KJV) Contradiction 2: David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men in chariots. I Chronicles 19:18


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Oh please. First 7 posts gives as a FACT that KJV is only True and Perfect translation. It is kind like in math, once we have declared that 1 = 1, it is impossible to prove 1 = 2.

You can study it as much as you like. You can even get proves that look like truth in first sight. But because the 1 = 1 was already defined it means, that those other results must be wrong and with some study it can be proven.

Your attempts are futile, we already have the Truth.

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  1. The KJV translators were limited in the manuscripts available to them. The Dead Sea Scrolls had not been discovered yet (1947). (See The Dead Sea Scroll Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated For the First Time into English by Abegg, Flint, and Ulrich, published by Harper San Fancisco, 1999; also see The Text of the Old Testament by Ernst Wurthwein published by Eerdmans, 1979; Textual Criticism: Recovering the Text of the Hebrew Bible by P. Kyle McCarter published by Fortress Press, 1986). Ancient Greek manuscripts had not yet been uncovered. Aleph, a fourth century AD codex, was discovered in 1859 by Tischendorf in the monastery of St. Catharine at Mt. Sinai. Codex Vaticanus from fourth century AD at the great Vatican Library at Rome was not made available until a photographic facsimile was published in 1889-90.(See The Text of the New Testament By Bruce Metzger published by Oxford University Press, 1964).
Where did the NIV translators use the Dead Sea Scrolls? It certainly wasn't in Isaiah. The DSS version of Isaiah is quite different than what is in the KJV or the NIV. No, they used the same Masoretic Text for the Old Testament that the translators of the KJV used.
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  1. The current KJV being printed differs in a number of details from the KJV 1611. There are also numerous printing errors in different editions of the KJV. The 1611 editions have "Then cometh Judas" instead of "Then cometh Jesus" in Matthew 26:36. There is the "Wicked Bible" edition of the KJV where "not" is omitted from the seventh commandment saying, "thou shalt commit adultery." William Kilburne in 1659 found 20,000 errors in six different KJV's. In 1701 Bishop Lloyd added the chronology of Bishop Ussher. Even today there are differences between the KJV published by Oxford, Cambridge, and Nelson publishers (See The English Bible from KJV to NIV: A History and Evaluation by Jack P. Lewis, published by Baker, 1981).
That somehow proves that the KJV isn't the best translation?

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  1. The original KJV 1611 included the Apocrypha. Is only part of the KJV 1611 or is all of it inspired by God? How can it be the perfect translation if it has the Apocrypha?
The Apocrypha has never been considered canon. Another non-issue.

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There are several animals mentioned in the KJV that are mythical
Sorry, but the NIV writers have the same names in their Greek sources. They are the ones who have decided that a unicorn is actually a rhinoceros. A large fish is actually a whale. They are the ones injecting their agendas into the Word of God to make it sound more scientific.

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  1. The KJV uses the term "dragon" which comes from the Greek word drakon which means "serpent."
That is an out and out lie. Greek mythology called a drakon a dragon, a hydra or a chimera.
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Dear KJV Only Advocate:
I'm not a KJV only advocate. I'm a KJV primacy advocate. It's still the best. It's infinitely superior to the NIV still to this day.

I might let you slide on the NASB, but the NIV is an abomination.
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