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Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? -
10-04-2007, 03:54 AM
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YEAH somebody called a satanist, mormon. The devil is evil, pure, simple.UH duh, I have bad spelling in case you hadn't noticed. Fool.Also not I don't need to use valgur language to cuss.Calling god a liar, well since there is proof. There are differences between the dead sea scrolls, the tohrah and the bible. So given that, yep. Pretty much. Though really he has, only slght wording been changed from the true parts but there are quiet a bit left out, erased and added. So he's presevered his words, just the book. You know the whole freedom of will thing.I'm not rejecting Jesus or god in the least, just narrow view of them. And leave my butt alone. Only thing that's been up there is shit and I intend to keep it that way, pervert.Nope not drunk, never touched achahol, yeah nother misspelled word! Also the conterdicts are there because life is full of them. Also I didn't have a "daddy" to teach me about truth, or rightousness. I found those on my own I'm quiet proud to say. I believe in God, I because I believe in God, I have seen his foot falls in my life and others, I do not need a book to tell me he exists. Though I suppose it would be more acturate since god doesn't have a coporial, hey look ma another misspelled word!, form so gender really can't be applied.HHmmm how did my calm, paitent post come off as fanatical? I could see how yours could. Seriously can you guys go a day thinking with your own thoughts and not the bible or what overs have but there.
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Seriously, are you high on crack? You aren't making a bit of sense boy.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
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Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? -
10-04-2007, 08:23 AM
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YEAH somebody called a satanist, mormon. The devil is evil, pure, simple.UH duh, I have bad spelling in case you hadn't noticed. Fool.Also not I don't need to use valgur language to cuss.Calling god a liar, well since there is proof. There are differences between the dead sea scrolls, the tohrah and the bible. So given that, yep. Pretty much. Though really he has, only slght wording been changed from the true parts but there are quiet a bit left out, erased and added. So he's presevered his words, just the book. You know the whole freedom of will thing.I'm not rejecting Jesus or god in the least, just narrow view of them. And leave my butt alone. Only thing that's been up there is shit and I intend to keep it that way, pervert.Nope not drunk, never touched achahol, yeah nother misspelled word! Also the conterdicts are there because life is full of them. Also I didn't have a "daddy" to teach me about truth, or rightousness. I found those on my own I'm quiet proud to say. I believe in God, I because I believe in God, I have seen his foot falls in my life and others, I do not need a book to tell me he exists. Though I suppose it would be more acturate since god doesn't have a coporial, hey look ma another misspelled word!, form so gender really can't be applied.HHmmm how did my calm, paitent post come off as fanatical? I could see how yours could. Seriously can you guys go a day thinking with your own thoughts and not the bible or what overs have but there.
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The Bible, including Jesus and the Resurrection, are historically proven fact.
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Intresting...though we can't even be really sure that jesus lived. no contemporaneous source ever mentions him. he healed the sick, walked on water turned it even to wine and yet nobody in his times seems to have known him. he should have been the gossip of the desert but somehow...jesus who??? the first scripts of what later became the bible (and i mean any bible) were written several hundred years after jesus death. this is a proven fact .
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10-04-2007, 02:38 PM
BAH! The Bible is really nothing.
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10-04-2007, 03:27 PM
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no contemporaneous source ever mentions him.
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How contemporaneous was Flavius Josephus? He mentions Jesus. He was there. Do you have any more ignorant things to say?
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10-04-2007, 04:20 PM
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Intresting...though we can't even be really sure that jesus lived. no contemporaneous source ever mentions him. he healed the sick, walked on water turned it even to wine and yet nobody in his times seems to have known him. he should have been the gossip of the desert but somehow...jesus who??? the first scripts of what later became the bible (and i mean any bible) were written several hundred years after jesus death. this is a proven fact .
think about it, vadkutya
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The earliest Gospels comes from 80AD, only fifty years after His temporary death. Also the absence of proof does not mean something doesn't exist.
Now my counter to you is you accept Alexander the Great existed? Correct. Now this a man who was deified after his death. The only two sources we have on Alexander the Greats life are Roman sources written five hundred years after Alexander's death. That is like a book written by me being the definitive authority on the life of Christopher Columbus in 3700 AD. Do you see the double standard of proof you have here?
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10-04-2007, 04:38 PM
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The earliest Gospels comes from 80AD, only fifty years after His temporary death. Also the absence of proof does not mean something doesn't exist.
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which gospel is it?
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Now my counter to you is you accept Alexander the Great existed? Correct. Now this a man who was deified after his death. The only two sources we have on Alexander the Greats life are Roman sources written five hundred years after Alexander's death. That is like a book written by me being the definitive authority on the life of Christopher Columbus in 3700 AD. Do you see the double standard of proof you have here?
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that's not quite correct, if i may say...the first records are on egyptian temples. since he conquered egypt he became pharao and the founding father of the ptolemaic dynasty (kleopatra etc.). we have contemporary inscriptions of him. i've read them
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10-04-2007, 05:02 PM
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How contemporaneous was Flavius Josephus? He mentions Jesus. He was there. Do you have any more ignorant things to say?
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if you refer to the testimonium flavianum...it's first mentioned around 300 a.d. although flavius lived around 60-80 a.d. while many scolars think flavius might have known the early christians almost all think that the testimonium was edited later by christain scolars (this can be shown in the use of vocabulary/words which changes over time). second, the testimonium was not mentioned by the early christian writers such as origen (around 240 a.d.) although they knew flavius work quite well and were eager to find traces of early christianty and facts about the life of jesus.
eusebius of caesarea (around 300 a.d.) mentioned the testimonium first. so, sry to disappoint you but the testimonium of flavius is NOT CONTEMPORANEOUS and i am not the ignorant one here .
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Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? -
10-04-2007, 05:17 PM
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:
Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29
Jesus will not allow irrefutable evidence of His existance, for then there will be no need for faith.
Jesus said that True believers are as children, because we believe in something even though there is no secular evidence of it.
But by having faith in God, we get to know Him, He talks to us through the Holy Spirit, and we can feel Him.
This is a proof given to those who already believe.
Because if you don't believe, you will not receive any proof - For God answers to no man.
But if you do - you will wonder how you could ever have believed God didn't exist.. Because then you will know Him personally.
Thus I can clearly see that He is as real as you and me, because I know Him.
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We've discussed this in another thread, vadkutya..
I'm surprised you still don't get it, cause you seem to be alot smarter than most of the atheists we get here.
Although they are usually borderline retarded.. or worse. No joke.
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10-04-2007, 05:37 PM
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and how did he do that?
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10-04-2007, 05:40 PM
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which gospel is it?
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Mark, from what I have been told the earliest existent copy dates from the late 1st century and scholars argue for it being written between 50 to 70AD.
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that's not quite correct, if i may say...the first records are on egyptian temples. since he conquered egypt he became pharao and the founding father of the ptolemaic dynasty (kleopatra etc.). we have contemporary inscriptions of him. i've read them
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Obviously with the persecution the Christians were suffering from the Jews there would be neither children or inscriptions. We are talking about writing here. Now if Arrian is considered trustworthy on Alexander why ins’t Matthew, Mark, John and James given the same leeway? I think we are seeing someone’s anti-Christian neo-pagan bigotry rear its ugly head here.
Testimonium Flavianum is from an earlier suppressed document so it wasn’t faked. The 2nd Century Christians were merely correcting Joesphus’ work from another primary source.
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10-04-2007, 06:12 PM
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Because if you don't believe, you will not receive any proof - For God answers to no man.
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if i do believe i need no proof and if i don't, the proof will not be given. so either way the doubt remains...
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We've discussed this in another thread, vadkutya..
I'm surprised you still don't get it, cause you seem to be alot smarter than most of the atheists we get here.
Although they are usually borderline retarded.. or worse. No joke.
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thx for the heads-up but i don't waste too much time with me, because i think i am too much a critic
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Mark, from what I have been told the earliest existent copy dates from the late 1st century and scholars argue for it being written between 50 to 70AD.
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oh, i see...yeah it references the destruction of the temple in jerusalem. so it can't be from earlier than 66-70 a.d. (the 1st roman-jewish war). but it's one of the earliest so it seems. but still i wouldn't say it's contemporaneous. i was just wondering why nobody, not even the romans mentioned him, that's all.
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Obviously with the persecution the Christians were suffering from the Jews there would be neither children or inscriptions. We are talking about writing here. Now if Arrian is considered trustworthy on Alexander why ins’t Matthew, Mark, John and James given the same leeway? I think we are seeing someone’s anti-Christian neo-pagan bigotry rear its ugly head here.
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i don't really get what you are trying to say here. i am talking about writing too. egyptian hieroglyphs are writings. and what have they to do with the persecution of the christians by the jews? and if arrian is considered trustworthy this extends not automatically to everyone. this is no argument. the last sentence is completely ununderstandable for me, i fear...who's head?
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Testimonium Flavianum is from an earlier suppressed document so it wasn’t faked. The 2nd Century Christians were merely correcting Joesphus’ work from another primary source.
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...but this is what you assume, right? what supressed documents? and what other primary source? can you give examples?
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10-04-2007, 06:18 PM
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i am talking about writing too. egyptian hieroglyphs are writings.
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No they're not, they're pictures. Silly boy.
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10-04-2007, 06:26 PM
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Okay let me first say. You people are stupid fanatics. And that people like you all are the reason Christans have a bad name.
The conterdictions. Okay, how about eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Yet threw out the entire book it's about forgiveness. Yeah revenge is really is forgiveness.
I can't give you the passage, cuss I'm not a fanatic.
As for the Bible being the only book of Truth. What about your math book? No matter how stubborn you are 2+2=4. There's also Wit and Wisdom, by Ben Franklin, Toa Te Ching and others
As for the pure untained word of God, that the bible no longer is. Hasn't been for quiet some time. Now I can site the numerous differences between the dead sea scrolls or even the Tohra and the old testiment of the Christan bible but I'd be here all day. But here's one example that rises to mind. In the dead sea scrolls and the Tohra, the jewish bible (Well one of them, they have two) In the being Yahway createdd them. Adam and Lilith. Man and woman.
Yeah I spelled Yahway wrong. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE I can feel your hate for me already as I type. Yahway perserve me. And if you don't know who Yahway is, go read a book and find out.
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You didn't just spell 'yahweh' wrong. you spelled lots of words wrong. Don't get me started on your grammar and punctuation unless you want to look like more of an ignorant retarded.
Why don't you 'cite' the 'numerous difference' between the torah and the Christian old Testament. We have all day. We will have all eternity, my friend. You will have nothing but hellfire and anal sodomy at the hands of satan. Now - cite these differences.
The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstance of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins...he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copied certain things of those that be divine." Tertullian (155-222 AD) from The Prescription Against Heretics' Ch XL
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10-04-2007, 06:30 PM
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if i do believe i need no proof and if i don't, the proof will not be given. so either way the doubt remains...
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If you truly believe, you don't doubt, fool.
Stop arguing for the sake of arguing..
If you feel you have to reject the truth of God and His Holy Word and resort to using "logic" and "reason"..
Then atleast use those two, cause pure opinion and/or faulty logic is even worse!
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10-04-2007, 06:35 PM
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No they're not, they're pictures. Silly boy.
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ok man
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If you feel you have to reject the truth of God and His Holy Word and resort to using "logic" and "reason"..
Then atleast use those two, cause pure opinion and/or faulty logic is even worse!
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silly me, i though this would be logical
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10-04-2007, 06:39 PM
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ok man
silly me, i though this would be logical
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Show me where in the Bible it says for anyone to be logical.
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10-04-2007, 06:42 PM
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silly me, i though this would be logical
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It wasn't.
After all, it's a FACT that someone with true (as in absolute) belief has no doubts whatsoever.
Or are you going to argue against that too?
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10-04-2007, 07:49 PM
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It wasn't.
After all, it's a FACT that someone with true (as in absolute) belief has no doubts whatsoever.
Or are you going to argue against that too?
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no certainly not. if he had any he wouldn't believe! that's why the scum we are don't believe. we have doubts
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10-05-2007, 04:55 PM
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no certainly not. if he had any he wouldn't believe! that's why the scum we are don't believe. we have doubts
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So then you realize that you cannot find fault in our arguments, based directly on the teachings in the Word of God?
For all your so-called science and what not, you cannot beat us "crazy fundamentalists"?
That's Jesus for you, friend.
All of your so-called wisdom is nothing but foolishness when you come up against God and His servants.
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