[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by McMaterna

I tried being nice and respectful, but you pushed me too far here, it's people like you that make me sick, the horrible horrible things that you say about innocent people who have done nothing wrong on here made me cry. how can you sleep at night knowing that you spread around this hate? YOU are the one who needs to be saved.

You're a fine one to talk, you just accused Wash and Abraham of being liars in this thread, posted your own sex fantasies and now dare to call us hateful!!! All this because Wash wants his grand kids to grow up as good Christians. What's next? Are you going to call me a racist?!!

[McMaterna]

you just accused Wash and Abraham of being liars in this thread, posted your own sex fantasies

I already cleared that up about 3 times, I said that I hope its not ture, and that I believe that the bible story is simply a story. Never called anyone a liar.
WHERE DID I POST A SEX FANTASY? ALL I SAID WAS THAT SEX WAS BEAUTIFUL AND NATURAL.

[Ben Kon]

God Loves everyone end of story to say anything else is not acting in God's way wether you believe being gay is wrong or not ( Let he who is without sin cast the first stone )

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

God Loves everyone end of story to say anything else is not acting in God's way wether you believe being gay is wrong or not (

Here's God talking to Moses

Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

So do you consider The Great Flood an "act of love'?

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone )

I've been washed clean of sin by my Savior friend and have a pretty big pile of stones in my yard.

[Ben Kon]

you guys are just lookin to start a fight, i wish all you guys happiness and i hope the best for all of you and i hope that someday we can all just get along

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

you guys are just lookin to start a fight, i wish all you guys happiness and i hope the best for all of you and i hope that someday we can all just get along

How is it we're the ones looking to start a fight when this is a True Christian™ forum?

I too wish you the best. I'm praying you accept Jesus as your Savior and leave your path of sin and wickedness behind.

[McMaterna]

I love how once I proved you to be a pervert, you stopped replying to me.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

How is it we're the ones looking to start a fight when this is a True Christian™ forum?

I too wish you the best. I'm praying you accept Jesus as your Savior and leave your path of sin and wickedness behind.

And I forgive you too Bem. I pray you find you way to Christ before He has you killed.

[Ben Kon]

how am i on a evil path i wished you peace and you say that i'm a sinner well here the truth i'm not and who are you to judge me or anyone for that matter, would God be happy that your saying people are on a wicked path after all he is the one that makes the final judgement not you or me or anyone on this earth.

[McMaterna]

Also, is everyone just going to ignore the FACTS I posted about how dangerous the drugs he used on his grandchildren are?

Also, what are you forgiving Ben for? He didn't do anything wrong, and he didn't ask for forgivness from anyone? You guys are so full of yourselves.

[Bob4God]

Originally Posted by McMaterna

No, your opinion is simply an opinion as well. If I wrote a book about an almighty applejuice, and said that it was the truth and that if eveyone didn't follow it and believe in it, they'd die a painful, alfwul death and that you had to follow everything said in this book because I wrote in the book that everything written in the book was truth...and the only proof that the book is truth is that I wrote "this is turth" in the book...well, sorry, but thats not a solid fact at all.

You have crafted a clever but flawed argument. You're all over the map here, but my logic moves flawlessly from beginning to conclusion:

1. Bible is written by GOD.

2. Bible says Bible is true and GOD couldn't lie, so Bible is true.

3. I believe what the Bible says so therefore I believe in the literal truth whilst you have nothing more than speculation and anecdotal evidence.

Because anyone could have written that? Anyone can claim that god told them to do this that and the other thing, it doesn't make it true.

Okay, let's assume for a moment that anybody could have imagined something so inspiring and brilliant as the Holy Bible.

The Bible consists of 66 books, divided between the Old Testament and the New Testament. That's 1,189 chapters, 31,102 verses, and 783,137 words.

Each and every book in the Bible is in absolute perfect harmony with all the other books in the Bible. Each and every word carries perfectly the message and hope of JESUS CHRIST, from the opening page of Genesis to the closing page of Revelation.

Had the Bible been written by humans, across 66 books throughout the generations, you'd think that there would be evidence of human fallibility, such as contradicting statements, mixed messages, holes and inaccuracies.

The overall cohesiveness of the Bible is perhaps the greatest testament to its Divine Authorship there is!

Um...my morals?! Just because I don't believe in the bible or Jesus or hell doesn't mean I'm a bad person.

If you don't believe in JESUS or the Bible, how do you even know what morals are? It boggles the mind!

Five or six times? You don't even know me, there's no way that you can make those kinds of claims about me. I'm a minor, and for you to say that to me is just SICK.

You're a minor? Is that what you're going to tell GOD when He returns to send you to Hell? "No GOD, you can't send me THERE, I'm a minor!"

I may not know you, but GOD does, and He told me all about you here:

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. -Psalm 14:1

Abstaining from masturbation and sex is good, and since you are an unbeliever and say there is no GOD, you are incapable of doing good, so therefore you are a wanton masturbator and whore and all the "good" and "moral" things you've done in your life are as filthy, putrid rags.

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. -Isaiah 64:6

And about me being a " unbelieving, secular sinner" I do believe in something, LOVE, POSITIVE ENERGY, LIFE AND NATURE. I am a good person with good morals, I don't harass people simply because they're different than me, or call them rude names like you do.

Just calling yourself a good person doesn't make it true. The Bible doesn't say that believing in LOVE, POSITIVE ENERGY, LIFE AND NATURE will get you to Heaven, only JESUS can get you to Heaven!

I tried being nice and respectful, but you pushed me too far here, it's people like you that make me sick, the horrible horrible things that you say about innocent people who have done nothing wrong on here made me cry. how can you sleep at night knowing that you spread around this hate? YOU are the one who needs to be saved.

I am unaffected by your hateful outburst of anti-Christian bigotry.

If you're in tears, it's only because you have rejected CHRIST from your heart and are now feeling the emptiness.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

how am i on a evil path i wished you peace and you say that i'm a sinner well here the truth i'm not and who are you to judge me or anyone for that matter, would God be happy that your saying people are on a wicked path after all he is the one that makes the final judgement not you or me or anyone on this earth.

God calls upon His followers to pass judgment. Read the Bible, homer.

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[McMaterna]

How come I got a warning for that Bobby Joe? I said "I read the bible, but I didn't blindly swallow it" and she made a perverted remark about it. Mentioned how being a pervert is a sin and she didn't reply. Its funny how you're so quick to judge others but won't admit to your own sins and flaws.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by McMaterna

I love how once I proved you to be a pervert, you stopped replying to me.

This is directed at me I suppose.

As much as I would love to respond to every one of your hysterical accusations towards me, I can't be online and on this forum every hour of the day.

By the way, thank you for proving that we who follow the Bible are blessed.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matthew 5:10-11

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

how am i on a evil path i wished you peace and you say that i'm a sinner well here the truth i'm not and who are you to judge me or anyone for that matter, would God be happy that your saying people are on a wicked path after all he is the one that makes the final judgement not you or me or anyone on this earth.

We are all sinners until we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. And yes, God approves of us letting people know they are hellbound heathens:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:19-20

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by McMaterna

How come I got a warning for that Bobby Joe? I said "I read the bible, but I didn't blindly swallow it" and she made a perverted remark about it. Mentioned how being a pervert is a sin and she didn't reply. Its funny how you're so quick to judge others but won't admit to your own sins and flaws.

Sister Lycia is not interested in you. Stop trying to force yourself on her and making your lecherous commentary.

[Titus Templeton]

Originally Posted by Ben Kon

how am i on a evil path i wished you peace and you say that i'm a sinner well here the truth i'm not and who are you to judge me or anyone for that matter, would God be happy that your saying people are on a wicked path after all he is the one that makes the final judgement not you or me or anyone on this earth.

Of course we can judge you.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[McMaterna]

You just called me, a 16 year old girl a whore when you don't even know me. And yes, I TRY TO BE A GOOD PERSON. when I do good, it puts positive energy into the universe. I know what morals are, just because i dont believe in putting down others, doesnt make me a bad person. I help out at the local SPCA, so just because i dont beleive in your relegion, youre going to say thats its vile and bad? Good works are good works man, putting others down for being who they are, gay, women, young, old, black, Jewish, Muslim. I'm standing up for them right now because IT'S THE GOOD, MORAL THING FOR THEM TO DO. morals existed before Jesus. And god himself didn't write the bible, no, humans wrote it who were "inspired" by him.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

Sister Lycia is not interested in you. Stop trying to force yourself on her and making your lecherous commentary.

I am with Billy Bob on this. McMaterna; apologize to possible Sister Lycia NOW!!!

[Seth Campbell]

Originally Posted by Wash O'Hanley

Recently I've grown worried that my grandchildren aren't on the right path to one day being True Christians™ like their parents and I: for one they hardly show any interest in going to church and act as though Bible memorization were a chore! At ages 6 and 8 I know they have a few years before they are accountable for their actions, but I'm still worried that they haven't shown that they love Christ enough. With so many bad influences and crazy people in the world feeding my grandchildren lies through the media and school I knew I had to take actions into my own hands, lest they be permanently scarred by the deranged actions of some sick individual. Last week I came up with a plan to see if they really love Jesus and went through with it last night. I convinced my son to take his wife out for a date so I could baby sit the kids.

The evening went off without a hitch: we had pizza, watched a movie and had a grand old time. Bedtime came and I tucked the children in and read them a story.

Once they were asleep I dressed up in all black, put a ski mask on and started lurking around in the bushes outside of the house. I broke in to the house and tip-toed upstairs. I visited my granddaughter first. She lay in bed like a little angel, her blond hair cascading over her pillow and a little stuffed bear held tight in her arms. She is truly the apple of my eye. I took out a rag doused in chloroform and held it over her mouth. She awoke long enough to let out a muffled scream before passing out.

I then tip-toed across the hall to my grandson's room and did the same to him.

While the kids were out I tied them with some rope to two chairs and waited for them to wake up. When they did they were horrified to see a masked stranger standing before them.

"We're gonna play a little game," I said in a deep and threatening voice. It was at this time they noticed the handgun I was holding in my gloved hand. "I'm going to ask you each a question. If you answer correctly you may live, but if you answer wrong I splatter your brains all over that wall."

They began weeping.

"But to make things even easier I will tell you the correct answer to the question before I ask it. Sound easy enough?"

After a spell they sheepishly nodded their heads while sniffing up snot running from their noses.

"I'm going to ask you if you believe in Jesus. If you say no I will untie you and let you live, but if you say yes I'm going to put this gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. Understand? Then let's play."

I kneel down in front of my grandson.

"Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior?" I asked.

He bowed his head and cried.

"Answer me!" I shouted, while pointing the gun in his face.

"No!" he cries. "I reject Jesus!"

"Very well." I move over to my granddaughter.

"Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior?"

She thinks about it for a while and then looks me in the eyes and boldly says, "Yes!"

I pretend to be taken aback and ask her why, in the face of certain death, she chooses to accept Jesus Christ as her savior, when she can just lie and say she doesn't so she can live.

"Because we learn in Mark 8:38 that Jesus is ashamed of anyone that is ashamed of him. I would rather die than have Jesus be ashamed of me!"

Her weeping comes to a crescendo as I slowly raise the gun and point it at her forehead. At this point her brother is crying and begging me not to kill his sister.

I pull the trigger and a stream of water shoots out of the gun and hits her in the face. She looks up at me, confused.

"If I were really a dangerous psychotic your brain matter would be splattered all over that wall behind you and you'd be dead right now, but you'd be in heaven with Jesus," I say to her. I turn to my grandson, "But you... even though you'd live to see another day your life would be empty and without purpose because you rejected Christ, and when you did die, likely from a drug overdose or the AIDS, you would go to Hell to endure awful punishments and torments for selfishly rejecting Christ in the face of death. You sicken me."

I then left the room, took off my burglar garb and returned to pretend that I had been knocked out by the assailant when he broke into the house. As I untied them, they told me about the horrors that they had to endure. I commended my granddaughter for standing in her faith even with the barrel of a gun pointing straight at her face and I scolded my grandson for rejecting Christ. Unless my grandson shapes up I fear he will receive the torments of Hell, for as we learn in Matthew 10:33, if you deny Jesus he will deny you to his father come your judgment. Knowing this it would be better for a Christian to be killed for accepting Jesus than to be spared for lying and saying you don't believe.

Matthew 10:33 - But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

I'm afraid I have a lot of work to do with my grandson if he ever wants to be a Saved Christian, but I feel joy in my heart when I report that my granddaughter is clearly on her way to being a Saved young woman in the coming years.

PRAISE HIM and SHOUT GLORY!

Well going back to the original post, as opposed to the filthy liebrals trying to derail things, I'm having some questions about this.

As you know my oldest is to be baptized this weekend, and I'm wondering when I should do this, before or after his baptism. I am sure that Matthew will pass easily, but Seth Jr. not so much.

[Titus Templeton]

@McMaterna: Do you take Drugs?