[GOD=life]

I would like to present several results of my extensive study on the topic of rape that I will present at a conference. I hope this helps all the Christian fathers to make sure their daughters are safe.

I will give you the summary first, then cite secular sources and then explain why our daughters have almost 0% chance of being raped. Also note that to avoid any semblance of bias, I will cite only non-Christian and secular sources.

SUMMARY

Factors that increase the chance of being raped:

1. Dressing provocatively and/or sending mixed signals
2. Not being under the watch of a father or husband
3. Associating with people without morals (atheists, etc)
4. Associating with homersexuals and abortionists
5. Going to college
6. Not praying to God for protection
7. Using any kind of contraceptive
8. Consuming alcoholic beverages and/or taking drugs
9. Being out on the street at 3am
10. Being exposed to pro-promiscuity liberal media

Now by themselves, each factor my only increase the chance slightly, but almost all "victims" have a lifestyle that consists of a combination of these factors.

Various Reasons

1. About 9% of all women have frequent fantasies of being raped. They want it to happen to them.
2. When a woman commits adultery, she will say that she was "raped" when caught
3. When a woman is ashamed of her one-night stand, it will suddenly be a "rape"
4. When a foolish 18-year-old man has sex with his consenting 17-year-old girlfriend, secular law calls it statutory rape, even though no actual rape took place
5. The majority of rapes are not reported (for obvious reasons)
6. The woman was somehow offended and wanted to take revenge at the man, even though he was innocent

Consequences

1. Thousands of men are known to be freed based on DNA evidence for a crime the did not commit. In the meantime, they were raped in prison, even though their only fault was that they could not afford a hot-shot lawyer
2. Many men have lost their jobs, families, freedoms or even lives based on rape allegations that later turned out to be false
3. Even if a man wishes to take responsibility (e.g. through marriage), secular law blocks him from doing so

REFERENCES
This articlestates the following: "A recent analysis of 20 studies over the last 30 years indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have rape fantasies, and these fantasies are frequent or preferred in 9% to 17% of women. Considering that many people are ashamed to report rape fantasies, these stats are most likely lowball figures."

Taking the lower bound of 9%, we arrive at approximately 10 million women in the USA alone who are aroused by the idea of being raped. It is only logic that this translates into slutty lifestyle choices.

Another article states the following:

• 84% of women knew their attacker -- so they had already associated with them
• 57% happened on a date -- another risky undertaking
• 1 in 12 male students on colleges were (attempted) rapists

And another makes the following statements:

• 20% to 25% of college women are raped during their college career
• Alcohol is involved in 75% of attacks

WHY OUR DAUGHTERS ARE SAFE

When consulting a variety of sources, several factors keep returning. They all involve a combination of lifestyle choices that our own daughters do not have:

• They do not go to college but are homeschooled
• They are under the protection of their father or husband
• They do not use any drugs or alcohol
• They do not wear slutty clothing
• They read the KJV 1611 Bible as soon as they can read (coincidentally, this is also why they can out-spell any atheist)
• And above all: they are protected by God

[Cranky Old Man]

An excellent piece of writing Brother GOD=life! Praise the LORD!

[x60tablet]

Originally Posted by GOD=life

When consulting a variety of sources, several factors keep returning. They all involve a combination of lifestyle choices that our own daughters do not have:

• They do not go to college but are homeschooled
• They are under the protection of their father or husband
• They do not use any drugs or alcohol
• They do not wear slutty clothing
• They read the KJV 1611 Bible as soon as they can read (coincidentally, this is also why they can out-spell any atheist)
• And above all: they are protected by God

That assumes that a rapist will not break into a house, kill the father and husband, force the daughter to drink/consume some alcohol/drugs change their clothes to something slutty, then rape them.

I find this whole thing highly unlikely.

[Marshall]

Dress like a whore, deny Christ and you are far more likely to be "raped" than if you dress appropriately and accept Jesus as your Saviour and more importantly as your PROTECTOR.

Makes perfect sense and only an imbecile would disagree.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by x60tablet

I find this whole thing highly unlikely.

Unlike say:

Originally Posted by x60tablet

That assumes that a rapist will not break into a house, kill the father and husband, force the daughter to drink/consume some alcohol/drugs change their clothes to something slutty, then rape them.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Am I correct, despite this analysis, that the negroidal bucks are in no way to be less supervised when in the presence of Saved© white women ??

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Oakland "Reb" Griner

Am I correct, despite this analysis, that the negroidal bucks are in no way to be less supervised when in the presence of Saved© white women ??

You are right that I did not take into account racial statistics. But again it follows the same pattern True Christian women would be protected from this factor as well as no negro would be unsupervised in a True Christian community.

I cannot respond to hypothetical scenarios: that is where God comes in. We pray for protection for our daughters. But using secular sources and secular methodologies, we can prove that by taking away the going-to-college factor alone, we can dramatically reduce the chance she gets raped. The rest comes down to a strong Christian community and prayer.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by GOD=life

The rest comes down to a strong Christian community and prayer.

Amen to that Brother! Praise the LORD!

[mnorman]

Man, this is wrong on so many levels. You do make a few points, of course; f.x., rape victims (emphasize on 'victims') are often in some way intoxicated, which is not a crime. It may be a vice, yes, but it is not illegal or immoral. However, although a small percent of the human population have sexual fantasies about being 'raped' (spontaneous semi-violent intercourse with unknown men or women), no rape victim ever asked to be raped. Next to death or losing your loved ones, being raped is probably the worst thing that could ever happen to you. It is a violation of your own body, for Pete's sake! Your ability to blame the rape victims for this crime (yes, it is a crime, both by law, by the Bible and morally!) is quite frankly repulsive.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by mnorman

Man, this is wrong on so many levels. You do make a few points, of course; f.x., rape victims (emphasize on 'victims') are often in some way intoxicated, which is not a crime. It may be a vice, yes, but it is not illegal or immoral. However, although a small percent of the human population have sexual fantasies about being 'raped' (spontaneous semi-violent intercourse with unknown men or women), no rape victim ever asked to be raped. Next to death or losing your loved ones, being raped is probably the worst thing that could ever happen to you. It is a violation of your own body, for Pete's sake! Your ability to blame the rape victims for this crime (yes, it is a crime, both by law, by the Bible and morally!) is quite frankly repulsive.

Would you like to show us the Scripture to back up your contention?

Did you actually take the time to read this thread from the very beginning?

[mnorman]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Would you like to show us the Scripture to back up your contention?

Did you actually take the time to read this thread from the very beginning?

As I am replying the very first post of this thread, that ought to be obvious, yes? And although no exact scripture is literally condemning the act of raping, it is always described as the worst of acts, either being punishment for dubious and disgusting behaviour, or the result of extreme desire.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by mnorman

As I am replying the very first post of this thread, that ought to be obvious, yes? And although no exact scripture is literally condemning the act of raping, it is always described as the worst of acts, either being punishment for dubious and disgusting behaviour, or the result of extreme desire.

I'm wondering where you got the idea that any of us was in favor of rape?

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by mnorman

It may be a vice, yes, but it is not illegal or immoral.

It is not illegal, but it is obvious that being intoxicated will significantly increase your odds of something bad happening to you (or to others). I can point to many thousands of people that die due to drunk driving every year to underscore the fact. Also keep in mind that one vector of attack is putting GHB in a woman's drink. So, if a woman doesn't drink, she has already ruled out two major factors that contribute to the chance of being raped.

Your mistake is that you are operating on the theory that people do not want to get hurt. This contradicts human psychology. Do a search for "bug chasers" for example. There are people who will intentionally have unprotected sex so that they can be infected. It's crazy, but it's also true.

Originally Posted by mnorman

However, although a small percent of the human population have sexual fantasies about being 'raped'

The lower bound is 9%. This is backed up by 20 studies done over 30 years. Understandably, it is a bit of a taboo subject. But, again, just because it sounds crazy does not mean it isn't true.

Originally Posted by mnorman

Your ability to blame the rape victims for this crime (yes, it is a crime, both by law, by the Bible and morally!) is quite frankly repulsive.

Well, that is not really correct:

1. Doing your best to prevent a crime from happening does not equal condoning that crime
2. The Bible does not condone rape. Deuteronomy clearly mentions the death penalty for rape in various circumstances -- sometimes only for the rapist and not for the woman
3. The Bible tells us to follow secular law (i.e. unlike Catholics who protect pedophiles, we would report rapists)
4. The study is about minimizing the chance to be raped. Based on secular statistics, I have identified some of the most common factors.
5. We want our True Christian daughters to be as safe as possible -- if you want your atheist/non-Christian daughters to be safe too, you would be wise to follow this study
6. Did you know that according to secular statistics, there is a 20-25% chance that your daughter will be raped or sexually assaulted if she goes to college?
7. According to secular studies, 1 in 12 men at college qualify for the legal definition of rapist
8. What is or isn't moral is defined by God through the Bible

I would like to leave you with this quote:

Gal. 4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by mnorman

Man, this is wrong on so many levels. You do make a few points, of course; f.x., rape victims (emphasize on 'victims') are often in some way intoxicated, which is not a crime. It may be a vice, yes, but it is not illegal or immoral. However, although a small percent of the human population have sexual fantasies about being 'raped' (spontaneous semi-violent intercourse with unknown men or women), no rape victim ever asked to be raped. Next to death or losing your loved ones, being raped is probably the worst thing that could ever happen to you. It is a violation of your own body, for Pete's sake! Your ability to blame the rape victims for this crime (yes, it is a crime, both by law, by the Bible and morally!) is quite frankly repulsive.

Having witnessed spring break in Florida I find it hard to believe that you could make a statement no rape victim ever asked to be raped ! These young girls are far from the protection of their fathers,running around drunk, half naked( most of the time lifting up there skimpy bikini tops and exposing bare breasts) with zero regard for the men that around them, yet you feel that they are not responsible in any way.

[mnorman]

Not at all my enemy, I just don't agree. And, as mentioned above, you make a few valid points regarding measures towards not being raped. But why should there be a need to go to such measures in the first place? After all, self-constraint is a virtue and lust is a sin.

However: GHB goes pretty well with a glass of Coca-Cola as well. A woman entirely covered in winter clothes walking alone downtown at 7 P.M. is just as exposed to the (slightly overrated) danger of being raped as a lightly-clad woman dancing in a club.

My point being is that although some of your 'reasons' leading to a woman being raped is a little too black and white for me. When it comes to the act of raping, it takes a sick and demented person to make a rapist. And that, in my opinion, makes _every_ woman a potential rape victim.

[mnorman]

Originally Posted by James Dewitt

Having witnessed spring break in Florida I find it hard to believe that you could make a statement no rape victim ever asked to be raped ! These young girls are far from the protection of their fathers,running around drunk, half naked( most of the time lifting up there skimpy bikini tops and exposing bare breasts) with zero regard for the men that around them, yet you feel that they are not responsible in any way.

Well, I understand why you seem to be giving them equal responsibility the rape, and morally, such promiscuous behavior is highly questionable, many would say quite immoral. Still, they don't want to get raped. Most of them winds up having casual sex anyway, however, this is consensual. And, similar it may seem, it's a quite different thing.

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by mnorman

Not at all my enemy, I just don't agree. And, as mentioned above, you make a few valid points regarding measures towards not being raped. But why should there be a need to go to such measures in the first place? After all, self-constraint is a virtue and lust is a sin.

However: GHB goes pretty well with a glass of Coca-Cola as well. A woman entirely covered in winter clothes walking alone downtown at 7 P.M. is just as exposed to the (slightly overrated) danger of being raped as a lightly-clad woman dancing in a club.

My point being is that although some of your 'reasons' leading to a woman being raped is a little too black and white for me. When it comes to the act of raping, it takes a sick and demented person to make a rapist. And that, in my opinion, makes _every_ woman a potential rape victim.

And of course the man is never the VICTIM correct?

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by mnorman

Well, I understand why you seem to be giving them equal responsibility the rape, and morally, such promiscuous behavior is highly questionable, many would say quite immoral. Still, they don't want to get raped. Most of them winds up having casual sex anyway, however, this is consensual. And, similar it may seem, it's a quite different thing.

You bet casual sex, in the morning when they awake from their night of drinking
and acting like a slut, they realize what they have done. They run to the police and scream I HAVE BEEN RAPED! And what happens to the man? Its off to prison.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by mnorman

However: GHB goes pretty well with a glass of Coca-Cola as well.

So while you are in the process of what is effectively a mating ritual, you cannot keep your eye on your glass of Coca-Cola. There is no father, no husband and not even a friend to watch your glass of Coca-Cola... why care so little about one's own well-being?

One can also make the argument that the 2nd amendment should be repealed because it is illegal to burglarize someone's home or that you aren't obliged to lock your door because it's not your fault you get robbed.

Now that may all be true, but if there's a robber who may want to murder my whole family so he can buy drugs (as an aside, they steal from honest people to buy drugs from dishonest people??), I will be pretty happy to be able to protect my family. Heck, I can even be asleep and let my youngest boy solve the problem himself with a little help of the 2nd AMENdment. I will also be happy to have locked my door in the first place so that I will hear the breaking of glass.

So you see, while I would be 100% in the right in that scenario, I would still be a victim. But if I am properly prepared, then I can reduce my chance of being a victim to 0%. I choose to not be a victim.

You should always be prepared for the worst and pray for the best.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by James Dewitt

They run to the police and scream I HAVE BEEN RAPED! And what happens to the man? Its off to prison.

http://www.falserape.net/falserapeafa.htm

From the article:

"Dr. Charles McDowell, formerly of the US Air Force's Office of Special Investigations, discovered that 27% of Air Force women who claimed they had been raped later admitted making false accusations of rape. The admission usually came when they were asked to take a lie detector test. With these admitted false accusations he was able to develop 35 criteria distinguishing false accusations and those known to be fake. Three independent judges then examined the remainder of the cases. Only if all three reviewers independently concluded the original rape allegations were false did they rank them as "false." The total of false allegations became 65%."

People are so eager to root for the underdog that they don't even bother to check facts. As long as men's lives are being destroyed because a woman can simply and yell "rapist!", even though they are 100% innocent, don't expect us to automatically only listen to 1 side of the story.

Please feel free to tell the thousands of men who have been freed after 20 years in prison based on DNA evidence that rape is bad. After being raped thousands of times themselves even though they were innocent, they will surely agree with you that rape is bad. The only thing they will not agree with is your view that if a woman is raped we should automatically believe her side of the story and treat the potentially innocent man like a dehumanized criminal.

But hey, if you like hypothetical scenarios, try this one:

A woman has a one-night stand with a guy and has casual sex with him. She wants money from him and he refuses. Then she tears her dresses apart, gives herself a few knife cuts and smacks her own face. Then she runs crying to the police and points the finger at the guy. Guess what happens to the innocent guy, eh?

Another scenario:

Foolish 18 year-old man has consensual sex with 17 year-old girlfriend. Secular law says "aha, statutory rape!" -- the girl says "no! it was consensual, please don't hurt my boyfriend!". Secular laws says "nope, he is a RAPIST!"... result: two lives destroyed, because of a "rape" that never took place.