[Fool Kid]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

So you'll DEFINITELY be able to point out where in the Bible it says something like, "there's a time-frame when this will all become irrelevant".

Obviously not. Or else none of you would be here on this website. But not everything is in the bible..

And that has nothing to do with whether the Bible is true or not.

And that has nothing to do with whether the Bible is true or not.

And that has nothing to do with whether the Bible is true or not.

That's not what I was saying at all. I was not arguing that what is in the bible is not true (though I believe it isn't). If you want to believe in the bible, whatever, go for it. I was saying that the bible is becoming irrelevant. Take a visit to any public high school anywhere in the country. There will be a whopping amount of kids who are Christian and maybe go to church but they would never stone anyone or think that the rapist should marry the person they raped. They have s*x before they're married. They pretty much live their lives how they want to because the world is evolving. No one wants a silly book to tell them exactly what and what not to do anymore. I mean, a few people probably do, like you weirdos, but the majority of my generation really doesn't. Sorry.

Yes.

Why do you think that people's "feelings" have anything to do with the truth? You're the one sounding religious.

Are you telling me that you believe everything in the bible is true? Sorry, you are far from an atheist. Atheists deny and reject religion; they do not believe it is true at all. (I'm an atheist. Oooooops.)

Have you ever read the Bible? The whole thing, not just bits and pieces.

Hahahahahahahaha

[Wide-Open]

Hahaha is weasel talk for: no.

So you don't know what you are talking about? Next!

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Cool Kid

Obviously not...

So your earlier assertion that it was "DEFINITELY THERE" was a lie. Do you often lie to people you've just must, and then get upset when they treat your further assertions (offered with no support, other than your personal opinion) with disdain?

...There will be a whopping amount of kids who are Christian and maybe go to church but they would never stone anyone or think that the rapist should marry the person they raped...

Then they're not Christian.

...They have s*x before they're married...

Then they're not Christian.

...They pretty much live their lives how they want to...

Then they're not Christian.

They may claim they are, and use the label to gain acceptance from other closed-minded folk, but the Bible says it won't do them any good:

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

If you know of any who fit that category, do them a favour and inform them of this.

...No one wants a silly book to tell them exactly what and what not to do anymore...

Keep your personal feelings out of this, or you fall into using fallacious arguments like that (which just make your case look weak). If something is your opinion, identify it as such.

...I mean, a few people probably do, like you weirdos...

That's an ad hominem (attacking the opponent instead of their argument), another fallacy.

...but the majority of my generation really doesn't. Sorry...

The True Christians™ know that the Bible says that the vast majority of every generation is destined for Hell. No apology of yours is needed.

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

...Are you telling me that you believe everything in the bible is true?...

Read what I've written, and find where I've claimed anything in the Bible is true, then reflect on your lack of reading comprehension.

...Hahahahahahahaha

Knowing the material that you're trying to discuss is really helpful, if you don't want to look like an idiot.

[Wide-Open]

So I take it that this is a discussion about who is a True Atheist™ and who isn't?

Atheists are weird.

[Fool Kid]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

So your earlier assertion that it was "DEFINITELY THERE" was a lie. Do you often lie to people you've just must, and then get upset when they treat your further assertions (offered with no support, other than your personal opinion) with disdain?

Does it have to be in the bible for it to be true? The fact that pizza exists isn't in the bible, but pizza definitely exists.

Then they're not Christian.

Then they're not Christian.

Then they're not Christian.

They believe in god, they believe in all the jesus stuff or whatever, they believe in the message.. they can be Christian if they want to. Maybe not your definition of Christian, but still.

They may claim they are, and use the label to gain acceptance from other closed-minded folk, but the Bible says it won't do them any good:

Okaaaaaaaaaay, you do you. They can live their lives however they want to. If they want to praise the lord in their own way, let them. If you don't think they are, that's one thing. But honestly it doesn't matter what you think. Interpretations differ, my friend. No one knows anything for sure. :-}}

If you know of any who fit that category, do them a favour and inform them of this.

"Hey, I just wanted to let you know that you're not actually a Christian."
"Uh, yes I am..?"
"No you're not."
"Yes I am.."
"Nope. Okay, bye!"

Keep your personal feelings out of this, or you fall into using fallacious arguments like that (which just make your case look weak). If something is your opinion, identify it as such.

Just take out the g*sh d*rn "silly". Who even cares, oh my g*d.

The True Christians™ know that the Bible says that the vast majority of every generation is destined for Hell. No apology of yours is needed.

H*ll must be a really big place then.

Knowing the material that you're trying to discuss is really helpful, if you don't want to look like an idiot.

It probably would be helpful, yeah, I won't dispute that. But I didn't come here trying to discuss religion. I originally came here to discuss the allowance of kids to tease other kids because of their religion. But I mean, whatever. You do you.

Originally Posted by Wide-Open

So I take it that this is a discussion about who is a True Atheist™ and who isn't?

Atheists are weird.

Honestly I don't think there is such a thing as a true atheist. The deciding question is mainly "do you believe in god or any other deity of any religion?" If the answer is no, then you're good. We don't have crazy qualifications to be "true".. *cough cough*

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Cool Kid

Does it have to be in the bible for it to be true?...

I was talking about your claim that there's a "relevancy date" or something in the Bible here. Try to keep up.

...They believe in god...

The god they claim to believe in says He's going to send them to Hell.

...they believe in all the jesus stuff or whatever, they believe in the message...

They think you're going to Hell.

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

...they can be Christian if they want to...

If you like hanging around hypocrites, go for, but they're not Christian.

...Maybe not your definition of Christian, but still...

It's not my definition of Christian, it's Jesus':

Revelation 3:16 "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

...Okaaaaaaaaaay, you do you. They can live their lives however they want to...

Sure, but they should stop calling themselves Christians. Every time a Supreme Court decision gets made which denies low-wage earners basic medical coverage because of the owner's religious views, it's because of people hanging onto a label that they (if they knew what it really meant) would not want at all.

...honestly...

Acting honestly is all I want them to do. What's wrong with that?

...it doesn't matter what you think...

I'm just sharing what I know about what the Bible says. I've offered no opinion.

..."Hey, I just wanted to let you know that you're not actually a Christian."
"Uh, yes I am..?"
"No you're not."
"Yes I am.."
"Nope. Okay, bye!"...

Well, duh. You offered only your opinion (three times!!), but no evidence, no support for your argument at all. What would you expect??

You could have directed them to the Scripture I've provided and said, "Did you know the Bible says that you're not a Christian, and that to be a Christian you have to...etc."

...I didn't come here trying to discuss religion...

On a church website.

...But I mean, whatever. You do you...

And I do, like no one else.

...We don't have crazy qualifications to be "true".. *cough cough*

I thought I did.

Must try harder.

[Fool Kid]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

I was talking about your claim that there's a "relevancy date" or something in the Bible here. Try to keep up.

I never once implied that it was in the bible.

The god they claim to believe in says He's going to send them to Hell.

If you want to believe that, go right ahead. Interpretations differ, my friend.

They think you're going to Hell.

Probably.

If you like hanging around hypocrites, go for, but they're not Christian.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck..

It's not my definition of Christian, it's Jesus':

Interpretations..

Sure, but they should stop calling themselves Christians. Every time a Supreme Court decision gets made which denies low-wage earners basic medical coverage because of the owner's religious views, it's because of people hanging onto a label that they (if they knew what it really meant) would not want at all.

They can call themselves whatever they want. It's not up to you to decide. Besides, there are different denominations and such. What do you do about those? They're obviously going to have slightly different views than those on this website. You're going to think you're correct, obviously, and they're going to think they're correct. So no one really knowsssss..

Acting honestly is all I want them to do. What's wrong with that?

I'm laughing so hard right now brb

I'm just sharing what I know about what the Bible says. I've offered no opinion.

But "think", I meant "what you believe to be true". Not anything to do with opinions. Sooo.

Well, duh. You offered only your opinion (three times!!), but no evidence, no support for your argument at all. What would you expect??

I suppose you're right. But it's not my opinion if it's true.. isn't it? It'd be a fact. (It isn't a fact, but in theory..)

You could have directed them to the Scripture I've provided and said, "Did you know the Bible says that you're not a Christian, and that to be a Christian you have to...etc."

Unless they interpret the bible differently and say "okay, I understand your point of view, but I disagree with you. Goodbye. "

On a church website.

Well, I came to discuss kids being allowed to bully others because their religion deems it okay. Not the basis of the church itself.

And I do, like no one else.

If you say so.

I thought I did.

Must try harder.

Well what else would one be if they didn't believe in a god or hold true with another religion? It doesn't take that much to be an athiest. No baptisms or anything.. nope.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

Does it have to be in the bible for it to be true? The fact that pizza exists isn't in the bible, but pizza definitely exists.

The arrogant atheist dick here didn't claim the Holy Bible refers to pizza. You claim the Holy Bible refers to some "relevance date." Either provide the chapter and verse in which you find this, or take it back.

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

They believe in god, they believe in all the jesus stuff or whatever, they believe in the message.. they can be Christian if they want to. Maybe not your definition of Christian, but still.

Belief is not enough, friend. Even Satan believes in Jesus. One must fear and obey (Ecclesiastes 12:13), and that means every last command (James 2:10).

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

No one knows anything for sure. :-}}

God does. And so He gave us His Divine Word (2 Timothy 3:16).

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

It probably would be helpful, yeah, I won't dispute that. But I didn't come here trying to discuss religion. I originally came here to discuss the allowance of kids to tease other kids because of their religion. But I mean, whatever. You do you.

And now do you see the important work we have to do? So many people think they know what it means to be Christian. So many people think they know who Christ is. So many people think they can simply follow their conscience, behave in a way that doesn't oppress another, avoid unleashing unnecessary suffering, focus on learning, creating, exploring, and otherwise enjoying life, thinking that's okay. So many people are wrong! Just like you, they are simply ignorant of the facts, ignorant of their future! You came here to rationalize sin, and now you can see how important it is to know what the Good Lord wants from us - undivided love, unconditional obedience (John 14:15)! Only then will we all be safe! Only then will everything else fall into place!

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

I never once implied that it was in the bible...

Aside from saying it's "DEFINITELY THERE" (though you qualified that with something about it being "unwritten" ) but whatevs.

...If you want to believe that, go right ahead. Interpretations differ, my friend...

And every Bible interpretation says that homosexuals are abomination worthy only of quick death, along with witches, stubborn, lazy, drunk or unruly children, rape victims if they're married, people who pick up sticks on Sunday, etc. etc. (it's quite a long list).

...If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

They aren't walking like a duck, by the definition of the thing that defines ducks. If I walked like a horse, and said I'm walking like a duck, would you believe me?

...Interpretations...

I have seven different ones on my desk, and can check any other you'd like to refer me to, online, if you can find one that says different.

...They can call themselves whatever they want. It's not up to you to decide...

No, but it's my decision to call them hypocrites, and I'm justified by the Bible, because they aren't justified by the Bible.

...Besides, there are different denominations and such. What do you do about those?...

If they believe what the Bible says is the truth, they'd be welcomed here. If not, hellbound (according to the Bible).

And that's how every member of any of the 30,000 different denominations and sects of Christianity view each other. They have the Truth™. If they thought someone else had the Truth™, they'd go to that church.

...You're going to think you're correct, obviously, and they're going to think they're correct. So no one really knowsssss...

But anyone can read the Bible and see what it says, and see who's telling the truth about what the Bible says (which is all I've done here).

...Unless they interpret the bible differently and say "okay, I understand your point of view, but I disagree with you. Goodbye. "...

Then they can look in any other interpretation of the Bible and see that it says the same things about homosexuals, witches, bad children, married rape victims, etc.

...Well, I came to discuss kids being allowed to bully others because their religion deems it okay. Not the basis of the church itself...

It's all the same thing.

You really should read the Bible. I think you'd get a lot out of it.

[Fool Kid]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

The arrogant atheist dick here didn't claim the Holy Bible refers to pizza. You claim the Holy Bible refers to some "relevance date." Either provide the chapter and verse in which you find this, or take it back.

I didn't say it was in the bible, oh my g*sh.

Belief is not enough, friend. Even Satan believes in Jesus. One must fear and obey (Ecclesiastes 12:13), and that means every last command (James 2:10).

God sounds kind of like an abusive father, from the way you all talk about him.

God does. And so He gave us His Divine Word (2 Timothy 3:16).

Let me rephrase that: no human knows anything for sure. (Which includes the existence of god OOPS.)

And now do you see the important work we have to do? So many people think they know what it means to be Christian. So many people think they know who Christ is. So many people think they can simply follow their conscience, behave in a way that doesn't oppress another, avoid unleashing unnecessary suffering, focus on learning, creating, exploring, and otherwise enjoying life, thinking that's okay. So many people are wrong! Just like you, they are simply ignorant of the facts, ignorant of their future! You came here to rationalize sin, and now you can see how important it is to know what the Good Lord wants from us - undivided love, unconditional obedience (John 14:15)! Only then will we all be safe! Only then will everything else fall into place!

"...follow their conscience, behave in a way that doesn't oppress another, avoid unleashing unnecessary suffering, focus on learning, creating, exploring, and otherwise enjoying life..." that is literally the perfect life. #YOLO

No but seriously, I just came here to tell you and try to convince you that it is not okay to beat someone up because of who they are. People have the right to choose what they want to believe. And you have no right to punish them for 1) not believing the same things, and 2) not following the rules of what you believe. Sorry not sorry.

And every Bible interpretation says that homosexuals are abomination worthy only of quick death, along with witches, stubborn, lazy, drunk or unruly children, rape victims if they're married, people who pick up sticks on Sunday, etc. etc. (it's quite a long list).

Not the point of your argument, but this is another point in my idea that the bible is becoming irrelevant. No one's gonna kill an unruly kid or a married rape victim. That's not how the world works anymore.

They aren't walking like a duck, by the definition of the thing that defines ducks. If I walked like a horse, and said I'm walking like a duck, would you believe me?

They aren't walking like ducks by your definition of the thing that defines ducks. You could be walking like an Asian duck and they could be walking like an American duck. But I mean, it's still a duck by the definition of the thing that defines ducks.

Then they can look in any other interpretation of the Bible and see that it says the same things about homosexuals, witches, bad children, married rape victims, etc.

Well I mean I guess. But they could always personally interpret it differently. I've seen a few people think of the "man lie with another man" line as deceiving another man, rather than actually laying next to a man. I DUNNO. But if they don't do that, then.. well, I won't hesitate to say that they don't care! I've known quite a few people who hear it and they know that they should care but they have the morality of someone alive in 2014 and they'll love gay people of bad children just as much as straight people and good children. Oops.

It's all the same thing.

I disagree. Whether or not you think it's okay to beat up a 12 year old cause they're gay is more of a morality thing, even if you say it's not. 'Cause if you can look at bruises on an innocent kid's face and say "wonderful, they deserved it," then you are seriously messed up.

I don't want to discuss if god is real, what christianity is, etc etc. G*odness gracious.

You really should read the Bible. I think you'd get a lot out of it.

Nah. I'm more into like, romance-y type novels, you know? I'm kinda over fairytales. And it's a little too long for me. I'd lose interest halfway through. Is there a version that's like.. you know how Shakespeare's plays have books with modern English translations? Well, is there one of those? I'd maybe consider that..

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

I'm more into like, romance-y type novels, you know? I'm kinda over fairytales. And it's a little too long for me. I'd lose interest halfway through. Is there a version that's like.. you know how Shakespeare's plays have books with modern English translations? Well, is there one of those? I'd maybe consider that..

So you admit that you're a queerboy? Do your parents know that you're a fruit?

And why are you here? This is a Christian forum. Unsaved NOT Welcome

[Fool Kid]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

So you admit that you're a queerboy? Do your parents know that you're a fruit?

Was that.. was that not clear? It's been set as my location since I made this account.. and of course my parents know. I think anyone who's ever been in my presence or heard me speak knows.

And why are you here? This is a Christian forum. Unsaved NOT Welcome

Gay people can't be Christian? (I'm not Christian, but I think you think I'm not Christian because I'm gay, which isn't why at all..)

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

...Not the point of your argument, but this is another point in my idea that the bible is becoming irrelevant. No one's gonna kill an unruly kid or a married rape victim...

But your friends who ignorantly call themselves Christian support those who would, by still identifying as Christian.

...You could be walking like an Asian duck and they could be walking like an American duck...

Asian Bibles use the same source documents as English ones, which all say the same things about homosexuals, married rape victims, etc.

...But I mean, it's still a duck by the definition of the thing that defines ducks...

Which says they aren't ducks unless they believe that non-virgin brides who have been properly paid for deserve to be killed by the townsfolk at the city gates, see Deuteronomy 22:13-21.

...Well I mean I guess. But they could always personally interpret it differently...

You mean incorrectly (unless they're fluent in Koine Greek, Aramaic, and Ancient Hebrew, and have been granted access to papyrii and scrolls from thousands of years ago, which are guarded jealously in extreme security conditions in dozens of museums and institutes around the world).

...I've seen a few people think of the "man lie with another man" line as deceiving another man, rather than actually laying next to a man...

The word "deceive" appears 48 times in the King James (and "deceives" 14 times, "deceived" 55 times, "deceiver" 9 times, "deception" 24 times) but they didn't use it that time? Riiiight.

...But if they don't do that, then.. well, I won't hesitate to say that they don't care!...

Doesn't that sound like being in denial to you?

...I've known quite a few people who hear it and they know that they should care but they have the morality of someone alive in 2014 and they'll love gay people of bad children just as much as straight people and good children. Oops...

But they still keep showing up in church and giving money to the guy who lies to them about all this and then molests their kids, because we all know that the only decent people in this world are Christians.

...I disagree. Whether or not you think it's okay to beat up a 12 year old cause they're gay is more of a morality thing, even if you say it's not...

You misunderstood my point (it could have been worded better).

The justification for their religion is the Bible, and their justification for supporting the abuse of others in the name of that religion is also the Bible.

...'Cause if you can look at bruises on an innocent kid's face and say "wonderful, they deserved it," then you are seriously messed up...

Proverbs 20:30 "The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: So do stripes the inward parts of the belly."

Yeah.

...Nah. I'm more into like, romance-y type novels, you know? I'm kinda over fairytales...

Not even the greatest one ever written?

...And it's a little too long for me...

It's shorter than Harry Potter, actually. Already split into 66 bite-size chunks, too.

...Is there a version that's like.. you know how Shakespeare's plays have books with modern English translations?...

Oh God, NOOOO!!! The iambic pentameter is the only thing that keeps me awake for Shakespeare (you have to admit, it's five minutes of something happening wrapped in two+ hours of others complaining about it). Lose the flowery Elizabethan English and all the awful puns (which get lost in translation, literally) and it's .

Hint: try reading the KJV aloud. The language just seems more alive that way, like poetry.

...Well, is there one of those? I'd maybe consider that..

The NIV, if you absolutely HAVE to (but there are whole sections missing, and other parts just say completely different things, look at 1 John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." vs. the NIV "For there are three that testify: " ).

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Fool Kid

No but seriously, I just came here to tell you and try to convince you that it is not okay to beat someone up because of who they are. People have the right to choose what they want to believe. And you have no right to punish them for 1) not believing the same things, and 2) not following the rules of what you believe. Sorry not sorry.

Where have you been, dear? In case you haven't noticed, the highest court in the land, the Supreme Court of the United States of America, just ruled forever more that the American People must capitulate to appropriate Christian religious beliefs, if they are sincerely held by corporations, regardless of any law or facts to the contrary.

[DarkTower]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Where have you been, dear? In case you haven't noticed, the highest court in the land, the Supreme Court of the United States of America, just ruled forever more that the American People must capitulate to appropriate Christian religious beliefs, if they are sincerely held by corporations, regardless of any law or facts to the contrary.

Holy Cow, why so much centralism of Jesus in North America?
Jesus is universal, the problem is that some bibles try to change followers way of think, making them against even other Christians, why can't we be equal?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by DarkTower

Holy Cow, why so much centralism of Jesus in North America?

Well, in addition to America being the most Godly nation in history, this site is based in the USA.

Originally Posted by DarkTower

Jesus is universal, the problem is that some bibles try to change followers way of think, making them against even other Christians,

Nobody here is against Christians, but we ARE against "christians" who seem to toss half of the Bible in the trash if it doesn't suit their secular worldview.

Originally Posted by DarkTower

why can't we be equal?

The Bible does not say that everyone is equal, otherwise there would not be God-sanctioned things like kings, slavery, servants, differing monetary values depending on a person's sex, age, etc. etc. (Leviticus 27:3-7).

Maybe you are thinking of the US Constitution? The Declaration of Independence? Sesame Street?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by DarkTower

Holy Cow, why so much centralism of Jesus in North America?

Because I love my country, and I love my children, and I WILL NOT follow in the liberal footsteps and put Sodomy in the central attention of my Land of the Free! One is hardly free when strangers keep poking him in the bum every time he turns around, is he?

Originally Posted by DarkTower

Jesus is universal, the problem is that some bibles try to change followers way of think, making them against even other Christians,

No dear, the problem is more and more people try and force the Bible to "mean" what they want it to mean. In doing so, they directly offend the LORD who declares an eternity of Damnation for he who tries to modify the Word of God:

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,
that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 4:2


What thing soever I command you, observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 12:32


Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6


It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luke 17:2


And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:19

Originally Posted by DarkTower

why can't we be equal?

The LORD did not create us to be equal. He created us to serve Him for His Glory.

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay:
for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Isaiah 29:16


Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
romans 9: 20-23