[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

Then perhaps you should let the lord deal with them in his own time, and stop usurping his authority.

No, since He specifically orders us to put sodomites to death, the only way we could attempt to usurp Him would be if we deliberately disobeyed His commands by tolerating sodomy.

Since the soul is not a physical object, how is that possible?

So where do you think those 21 grams go?

I didn't say that people cannot be subjected to economic pressures. I said that a person can quit a particular job that s/he doesn't like. S/he can take a different job or start her/his own business.

What if they're a lazy, unemployable negro with no start-up capital? Then they're a slave in all but name.

I've heard the story of the flood. There's no way that Noah could have fit a mating pair of all land animals, plus forty days worth of fodder for the herbivores, plus extra herbivores with which to feed the carnivores for forty days, plus forty days food supply for his family, plus enough fresh water for all those animals and people on a boat of the size described in the story.
As for S & G, I'm still trying to figure out why it was ok for Lot to offer his virgin daughters to a mob, but a pair of angels couldn't have defended themselves.

The virgin daughters were Lot's property, the angels weren't. What's so hard to understand?

I know all about Katrina - I know people who live in New Orleans and I've seen the damage firsthand. The damage was horrific due to both the strength of the storm and poor disaster preparedness at the state and federal levels. They had been warned years before that the levees would not withstand the surge from a Category 5 storm, but they didn't listen.

And they had been warned years before that God would not continue to tolerate Mardi Gras, but they didn't listen to that, either.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

So where do you think those 21 grams go?

Air expelled from the lungs, water vapor...

What if they're a lazy, unemployable negro with no start-up capital? Then they're a slave in all but name.

The cleaners called - your sheet and hood are ready.

The virgin daughters were Lot's property, the angels weren't. What's so hard to understand?

People are not property.

And they had been warned years before that God would not continue to tolerate Mardi Gras, but they didn't listen to that, either.

News flash - Mardi Gras continues! You can't keep a good parade down!

[Brother Temperance]

The cleaners called - your sheet and hood are ready.

How does honesty make me a racist?

People are not property.

People are not property, women are. In the eyes of the Lord, women are men's servants. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

News flash - Mardi Gras continues! You can't keep a good parade down!

News flash - gays and negroes are even dumber and worse at taking a hint than we'd thought! I can't wait to see what God's got in store for them next.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

People are not property.

Show us in The Bible were God says that. At the very lest with your liberal relativism you have to accept since it was the social custom in Lot's day that children were conspired the property of the father Lot was behaving properly.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

How does honesty make me a racist?

It's your belief that black people are inferior to white people that makes you a racist.


People are not property, women are. In the eyes of the Lord, women are men's servants. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Women are people. People are not property. I am nobody's servant.

News flash - gays and negroes are even dumber and worse at taking a hint than we'd thought! I can't wait to see what God's got in store for them next.

Judging by this year's Jazz Fest, more partying.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Show us in The Bible were God says that. At the very lest with your liberal relativism you have to accept since it was the social custom in Lot's day that children were conspired the property of the father Lot was behaving properly.

The fact that it was legal for him to hand his children over to a mob with the blessing of "do with them as you wish" does not make him righteous for being willing to do so. But then again, that whole family was a bit loony.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

The fact that it was legal for him to hand his children over to a mob with the blessing of "do with them as you wish" does not make him righteous for being willing to do so. But then again, that whole family was a bit loony.

Oh so all of a sudden when it comes to a woman they whole cultural context gets thrown out the window. I am curious why you just blow off the entire town was out to ass raped two men on the grounds they were good looking. It seems more like what you ready want to read in The Bible is a graphic description two of The Lord’s angels get forcibly sodomized. Your’ real gripe with Lot is his selfless effort to protect his guests he denied you a moment of vicarious pleasure of reading of the righteous being abused.

The Bible is Holy Word of God® and not your private snuff porn collection harlot.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Oh so all of a sudden when it comes to a woman they whole cultural context gets thrown out the window. I am curious why you just blow off the entire town was out to ass raped two men on the grounds they were good looking. It seems more like what you ready want to read in The Bible is a graphic description two of The Lord’s angels get forcibly sodomized. Your’ real gripe with Lot is his selfless effort to protect his guests he denied you a moment of vicarious pleasure of reading of the righteous being abused.

The Bible is Holy Word of God® and not your private snuff porn collection harlot.

Two angels would have been able to defend themselves against mere mortals, wouldn't they? Then again, Jacob was able to beat one down, so maybe they're not so much after all.
My gripe with Lot is that he didn't care a rat's ass about his children.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

Two angels would have been able to defend themselves against mere mortals, wouldn't they? Then again, Jacob was able to beat one down, so maybe they're not so much after all.
My gripe with Lot is that he didn't care a rat's ass about his children.

Friend; how does Lot offering his two daughters to a crowd of strangers to rape senseless lead you to conclude that he didn't care about them? It seems like a perfectly admirable act of fatherly love to me.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

Two angels would have been able to defend themselves against mere mortals, wouldn't they? Then again, Jacob was able to beat one down, so maybe they're not so much after all.

Maybe Lot felt obligated to protect them because he was their host. No doubt in the kind of dog eat dog Darwnist nightmare you live in a guest in your house would count him self lucky if he wasn't robed and killed in his sleep but in Lot's day being a host carried serious obligations.

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

My gripe with Lot is that he didn't care a rat's ass about his children.

Why should he; look at the spawn of their polluted mommy caves; the Moabites and the Ammonites. If Lot had tossed the two harlots to the crowd like he wanted to then a lot of trouble would have been spared in the future.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

Friend; how does Lot offering his two daughters to a crowd of strangers to rape senseless lead you to conclude that he didn't care about them? It seems like a perfectly admirable act of fatherly love to me.

If that's what you see as fatherly love, I pity your children if you ever breed.

[ayerea]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

If that's what you see as fatherly love, I pity your children if you ever breed.

I totally agree.
By the way, i like you =] At least theres one other person on this forum who has a brain.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by ayerea

I totally agree.
By the way, i like you =] At least theres one other person on this forum who has a brain.

Thanks. I like you too.
While I can't say that I understand what it feels like to be TG, I know from a friend of mine who is f-to-m that it goes to one's core. He was always male in gender, even when he was a little girl, and was not really happy until he had his reassignment.
You do what you have to do in order to live as who you really are. I respect people who have the courage to do that rather than pretend to be something they aren't just to fit everyone else's preconceived notions.

[Brother V]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

If that's what you see as fatherly love, I pity your children if you ever breed.

Had Lot not offered his daughters to the men, Genesis 19: 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. and instead turned the angels over to the men, then Lot and his family would have all been killed the next day too, instead of being spared.

Do you consider letting your family live to see the next day, an act of compassion, or would you rather have your family consumed by fire and brimstone?

BTW, the men didn't want the girls, and Lot probably knew that, so that's probably why he offered them as a substitute.

Hope this helps
YIC
V

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Brother V

Had Lot not offered his daughters to the men, Genesis 19: 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. and instead turned the angels over to the men, then Lot and his family would have all been killed the next day too, instead of being spared.

Do you consider letting your family live to see the next day, an act of compassion, or would you rather have your family consumed by fire and brimstone?

BTW, the men didn't want the girls, and Lot probably knew that, so that's probably why he offered them as a substitute.

Hope this helps
YIC
V

So instead of offering the mob his daughters, why didn't he ask his god for help? Why didn't the angels simply defend themselves and their host?

[Brother V]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

Thanks. I like you too.
While I can't say that I understand what it feels like to be TG, I know from a friend of mine who is f-to-m that it goes to one's core. He was always male in gender, even when he was a little girl, and was not really happy until he had his reassignment.
You do what you have to do in order to live as who you really are. I respect people who have the courage to do that rather than pretend to be something they aren't just to fit everyone else's preconceived notions.

You are a hypocrite.

You accept people who do "alternative" things, like gender-reassignment, and homosexuality, but you do not approve of people who believe and follow the Bible (kjv1611).

You say you practice tolerance, but that only lasts so long as someone does the exact same thing as you.

You are worse than what you think we are. We know that we are special/saved. You think you are special, because you are accepting, but you ONLY accept things that go with your belief.

If you want to be tolerant, actually BE tolerant.

I know what I am. I AM what I think I am.

Maybe someday you might be what you think you are.

Again...

YOU=hypocrite

V

[Old Iron Crotch]

Originally Posted by Brother V

You are a hypocrite.

You accept people who do "alternative" things, like gender-reassignment, and homosexuality, but you do not approve of people who believe and follow the Bible (kjv1611).

You say you practice tolerance, but that only lasts so long as someone does the exact same thing as you.

You are worse than what you think we are. We know that we are special/saved. You think you are special, because you are accepting, but you ONLY accept things that go with your belief.

If you want to be tolerant, actually BE tolerant.

I know what I am. I AM what I think I am.

Maybe someday you might be what you think you are.

Again...

YOU=hypocrite

V

I accept that you believe what you believe, even though I don't believe it. I don't accept that you think you have the right to harm other people because of your beliefs.

[Brother V]

Originally Posted by Dances with Joy

So instead of offering the mob his daughters, why didn't he ask his god for help? Why didn't the angels simply defend themselves and their host?

Have you read the story?

Its in Genesis 19

The angels acted as though they didn't know what was going on. If you look in verse 6, it says Lot talked to them outside his house "and shut the door after him". So when he offered his daughters, he did it without the angels being able to hear.

In verse 11, after the bad men refused the daughters, the visitors smote the bad men with blindness.

You should really read the subject matter before you go and ask foolish questions.

V

[Miss Hikari]

Originally Posted by ayerea

My name is Brooke. Nice to meet you all. Im 15 years old, live in arizona. and im a Transsexual =] (male to female) I'm also bi, and Wiccan
(in all seriousness, i am)
I know you all see me as im going to hell.
But ya know what, who really cares? Maybe hell is one kinky S&M party?
now that would be cool. but just to let you know, im not here to act stupid, im pretty lagit. Just totally opposit from all of you and i think people like you are the downfall of our world. but whatever =]

Go hug a tree and a gay today!
much love <3
~Brooke~
(i like ninjas)

I did both. Made me feel nice.
And hopefully you're right. S&M Party!
And ninjas are super cool. Sexy no Jutsu!

[Virginia Day Templeton]

It made you feel nice to contract syphilis and a host of other foul diseases?

I guess that is the definition of masochism.