[cdgfx84]

Originally Posted by Tommya

Like i said, fallout 3 is made by the same people, and IT DOESNT FOLLOW anything like oblivion, it doesnt have evil or good.

I do hate to argue will another unsaved trash, but how does it not have good or evil. I think the option to blow up a town is plenty evil and saving a captive from Super Mutants is good or at least I see it that way.

After hearing all the complaints from the Landover Baptist "church" I think I will have to pick up another copy of Oblivion for my 360 when I bought Fallout 3 I traded in Oblivion. I guess I will have to stop by Gamestop and see if they have it there.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Tommya

[...]How would you like a private tour of the game, Jim Obsorne? [...] If you have skype, [...] you need to download the plugin, [...] How does that sound?

It sounds to me like a "plug-in" is some sort of iniquitous sex toy to be stuffed up some orifice and that you are trying to trick the Reverend into using "to better understand" what you are up to.

Your vile perversions are your own, you abomination!

[Asgaro]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

It sounds to me like a "plug-in" is some sort of iniquitous sex toy to be stuffed up some orifice and that you are trying to trick the Reverend into using "to better understand" what you are up to.

Your vile perversions are your own, you abomination!

LOL, are you kidding?!
Complaining about the 'pervers' word "plug-in"!!
Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Asgaro

LOL, are you kidding?!
Complaining about the 'pervers' word "plug-in"!!
Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

"IT"? What is that? Something like S&M? B&D? M4M? One of those cryptic initials that deviants use as a code to talk to each other about perversions?

[DrJackel]

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

• It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons.

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

• You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

• The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

• There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

• Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

• You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded.

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

• Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

• his game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

• There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys".

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

• It is well-understood that playing that demon-worshipping game "Doom" caused those two kids, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris to do the Columbine shootings.

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

• I should mention, it looks like a subliminal message to me, but in the picture I closed, do you see the flaming ring of fire? Those are called Oblivion Gates which are pathways to Hell. Just looking at that imagery of the ring makes me think of, well I don't want to be too graphic for this is a Christian message board, but put "flaming" and put "hole" together, and you will see what kind of agenda this is. Clearly, the homosexual lifestyle is a gateway to Hell, but unlike in this game, you can't come back from there once you go!

This is one of the most mormonIC things I have EVER SEEN. That in NO WAY looks like what you are making it seem like. Unless you were a pervert to begin with, I have never heard of anyone saying that, that's what the oblivion gates look like. What else were the gates supposed to look like then?

Overall this thread is just downright WRONG. Then somebody goes and says that J.K Rowling is promoting witchcraft? Really?! It's a form of entertainment and in no context did J.K Rowling say that kids should start practicing magic and ditch christianity. After this thread, I don't think I am a christian anymore. This is getting to rediculous extents people. Cmon it's time to grow up. And that's coming from a 16 year old. I honestly feel attacked upon as a gamer. Shame on you.

[Myron Pollard]

It is spelled ridiculous and if you accept Jesus and the Word of God,you could have eternal life.Otherwise,you will be tormented in Hell....Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

[Brother Lazarus]

Originally Posted by DrJackel

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

• It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons.

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

• You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

• The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

• There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

• Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

• You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded.

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

• Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

• his game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

• There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys".

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

• It is well-understood that playing that demon-worshipping game "Doom" caused those two kids, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris to do the Columbine shootings.

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

• I should mention, it looks like a subliminal message to me, but in the picture I closed, do you see the flaming ring of fire? Those are called Oblivion Gates which are pathways to Hell. Just looking at that imagery of the ring makes me think of, well I don't want to be too graphic for this is a Christian message board, but put "flaming" and put "hole" together, and you will see what kind of agenda this is. Clearly, the homosexual lifestyle is a gateway to Hell, but unlike in this game, you can't come back from there once you go!

This is one of the most mormonIC things I have EVER SEEN. That in NO WAY looks like what you are making it seem like. Unless you were a pervert to begin with, I have never heard of anyone saying that, that's what the oblivion gates look like. What else were the gates supposed to look like then?

Overall this thread is just downright WRONG. Then somebody goes and says that J.K Rowling is promoting witchcraft? Really?! It's a form of entertainment and in no context did J.K Rowling say that kids should start practicing magic and ditch christianity. After this thread, I don't think I am a christian anymore. This is getting to rediculous extents people. Cmon it's time to grow up. And that's coming from a 16 year old. I honestly feel attacked upon as a gamer. Shame on you.

Do you normally go uninvited to a strangers home and hurl insults at him? I'll bet not, but that is what you just did here on God's favorite forum.

Please follow protocol and go the the introduction thread and tell us about yourself. Helpful things like where you go to church, your favorite Bible verse, etc are appreciated.

You might also want to read over the noobs thread.

Thanks!

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by DrJackel

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

Friend, there fantasy and then there is absurdity. There is no place were God ins't.

Originally Posted by DrJackel

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

Really friend, care to comment on the popular gamer activity of "ganking", which is short for "gang rape"? Sounds like there is plenty done to those female characters run by men.

Friend,

When Jesus returns and rolls a toon on Oblivion it is going to be too late to repent of your griefing of the Lord! Christ is going into that player verse player server, going into His God mode, buffs up and teaching you all the meaning of POWNED when He unleashes His smite combos and one shots you all off line for good. It is turn or IP ban for life friend, those are your choices.

Nobody nerfs Jesus

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by DrJackel

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

If anything, sir, I would hope you are the one writing the joke post. Something that can harm our children is nothing to laugh about. Do you also joke about teen drug abuse and child abductions?

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

Actually Dungeons and Dragons is very Satanic and for much of the same reasons that I have pointed out exist in Oblivion. I am not the only Christian to have noticed this. Please read this excellently researched Chick Tract for more info on why D&D is Satanic.

Dungeons and Dragons is used as a recruitment tool for witchcraft and Satanism and I fear that Oblivion may be misused in the same way.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

I have read into this so-called lore. The Altmer aka High Elves are known as "masters of the arcane arts". The Bosmer aka Wood Elves speak to animals, much in the same way Wiccan high priestesses "communicate with nature". Lastly the Dunmer aka Dark Elves are vulgar and have had a curse put upon them darkening their skin.

A knowledgeable Christian can recognize these Dark Elves as being representatives of both Cain and Ham who had curses put upon them for their sins.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are both Satanic films. It doesn't help that magic is used in these witchcraft movies.

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

I told another poster if he wanted to relieve some stress, open up a King James Bible. The Word of God will always sooth me. In this passage God has answered Paul's prayer for health. Surely He could do the same to relieve stress.

2 Corinthians 1:9-11 (King James Version)


9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us; 11Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

There is no goal of the game. It is a moral anarchy on behalf of the player. If a player would like to keep these Oblivion "Hell" gates open the whole time, he is free to do so.

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

Again, my point is not that it is an option, but that it is in there to begin with! Look at this for example: Suppose Oblivion had a secret dungeon whose reward was some child porn movies the player could watch. Wouldn't you be upset that this is in the game? Even though it's completely "optional"?

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

See above.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

So what this does is it gives a misguided message to our children telling them if they drink beer or vodka in real life, they won't feel anything. There should be strong repercussions for having drunk alcohol, let alone the fact that alcohol should not even be in this game for children.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

Astrology is prohibited by the Bible, under the heading of divination and observer of the times.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

You left out the Count of Skingrad. He is a good guy. Instead of killing him you actually help him! God commands us not to associate with evil.

2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

They may have been bullied. But did you ever think that maybe Doom caused some mental problems? It made them unable to tell fantasy from reality and brought out aggressiveness in both of them.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Folks, this is all well and good but what are we doing about these video games? We can sit here and list all of the bad things that are in these games until the cows come home but that isn't going to stop the impressionable 13 year old or the unemployed 25 year old or the 45 father of two from playing these games. I wouldn't feel right about myself if I didn't at least try to do something to ban these vile games from ever being played by the general public. I propose that we put our heads together and come up with a way to enact legislation so that the good people of this nation will not be subjected to being able to buy these games and play them.

[Norseman]

It's fanatics like you people here that make us other Christians look bad.
Look at yourselves, your no better then the fanatical Muslims who blow people up. Instead of trying to destroy everything that your single close minds can't understand maybe you should try and TALK to your children about it and then maybe you will see that they are not being swept in by satan because of a movie or a video game there going down the wrong path because of you, yes you the almighty parent who can do no wrong.
video games don't hurt damn people to hell you people and your self rightious Judgements do.
why don't you actual listen to something Jesus said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

I know this was pointless because none of you are going to listen to me, you will just delete my post or bash me. either way I made my point.

[Johnnyboy]

Originally Posted by Norseman

It's fanatics like you people here that make us other Christians look bad.
Look at yourselves, your no better then the fanatical Muslims who blow people up. Instead of trying to destroy everything that your single close minds can't understand maybe you should try and TALK to your children about it and then maybe you will see that they are not being swept in by satan because of a movie or a video game there going down the wrong path because of you, yes you the almighty parent who can do no wrong.
video games don't hurt damn people to hell you people and your self rightious Judgements do.
why don't you actual listen to something Jesus said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

I know this was pointless because none of you are going to listen to me, you will just delete my post or bash me. either way I made my point.

What is your point?

[Asgaro]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

"IT"? What is that? Something like S&M? B&D? M4M? One of those cryptic initials that deviants use as a code to talk to each other about perversions?

IT means Information Technology. So people in the business of everything computer related.

And don't say computers and such are evil, because you're also using one.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Norseman

It's fanatics like you people here that make us other Christians look bad.

Believing in God with passion is wrong?

Look at yourselves, your no better then the fanatical Muslims who blow people up. Instead of trying to destroy everything that your single close minds can't understand maybe you should try and TALK to your children about it and then maybe you will see that they are not being swept in by satan because of a movie or a video game there going down the wrong path because of you, yes you the almighty parent who can do no wrong.
video games don't hurt damn people to hell you people and your self rightious Judgements do.

Son, we are here to listen to you. We do not want to destroy anything. We want to build a relationship with a strong foundation of trust and mutual respect. We never judge, that is one of God's jobs.

why don't you actual listen to something Jesus said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Son, what is with all the hostility and stone casting? We all want to listen to you.

I know this was pointless because none of you are going to listen to me, you will just delete my post or bash me. either way I made my point.

Not pointless at all. I hear you crying out, hands reaching. I want you to know, I am here for you boy. Talk to us, please.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Norseman

It's fanatics like you people here that make us other Christians look bad.

On the contrary, it is you weak-kneed, lilly-livered false Christians who make Jesus look bad. You cherry-pick the Word of God, choosing to obey certain Scriptures and utterly ignoring others. You claim to be Christian, but you are unfamiliar with the overall message of God. You prance around lying to people with your sugar-coated catch phrases like "God loves everyone" thereby guaranteeing that they will spend eternity in hell. You are about as Christian as my 14 year old Indonesian houseboy.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by Asgaro

Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

We know that millions of people around the world are perverse. Do you have any idea how many Catholics infest God's Green Earth?

Originally Posted by Wash O'Hanley

Folks, this is all well and good but what are we doing about these video games? We can sit here and list all of the bad things that are in these games until the cows come home but that isn't going to stop the impressionable 13 year old or the unemployed 25 year old or the 45 father of two from playing these games. I wouldn't feel right about myself if I didn't at least try to do something to ban these vile games from ever being played by the general public. I propose that we put our heads together and come up with a way to enact legislation so that the good people of this nation will not be subjected to being able to buy these games and play them.

To be fair, if the impressionable 13 year old and the unemployed 25 year old and the 45 year old father of two were all fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan we wouldn't have this problem. Maybe we should just send the entire male population* to invade random heathen countries until the wiibox menace is eradicated?

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

On the contrary, it is you weak-kneed, lilly-livered false Christians who make Jesus look bad. You cherry-pick the Word of God, choosing to obey certain Scriptures and utterly ignoring others. You claim to be Christian, but you are unfamiliar with the overall message of God. You prance around lying to people with your sugar-coated catch phrases like "God loves everyone" thereby guaranteeing that they will spend eternity in hell. You are about as Christian as my 14 year old Indonesian houseboy.

And he's a viking, so he most likely burns churches.




* excepting those with urgent medical complaints such as Usher's Elbow or Repetitive Debating Injury, of course.

[Shabitty]

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=24063

I never understood the basis behind this. People say that "In the game Oblivion, there are vampires, demons, they only talk about real gods instead of the one true god, you can steal, etc."

You see, games like that are meant to be played in YOUR OWN WAY. Yes, there are demons and vampires and the like walking around. Want to kill them? Go ahead, stab him. Say a "Quest" (errand with monetary reward) tells you to go steal that solid gold statue from a museum. Think stealing is wrong? Go ahead, ignore the quest and kill the questgiver.

Also, another topic mentioned is how the story rambles on about "The Nine Gods" and such, ignoring the "true" god. Well, think of it like this. This game was made by a company, who needs to pay their employees. If they replaced their "Nine Gods" with the Christian god, they would get sued to no end, lose all their money, go defunct, and their hundreds of employees would all lose their jobs and have to go find new ones.

Also, just like many people have been told "Nobody FORCED you to come here", I say, nobody FORCED you to play Oblivion. Honestly, you shouldn't have to petition to ban things you don't like. If you don't like them, then leave them well alone.

[HTannor]

You have not properly introduced yourself and you first post is some drivel defending a satanic game.

You are indeed Unsaved Trash Under Investigation and are on the slippery slope of earning total disrespect from all the true believers here.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

First, I'll say this. Who cares what some Hellbound gametard thinks. But I guess I'll answer your wrongheaded questions anyway.

Originally Posted by Shabitty

You see, games like that are meant to be played in YOUR OWN WAY. Yes, there are demons and vampires and the like walking around. Want to kill them? Go ahead, stab him. Say a "Quest" (errand with monetary reward) tells you to go steal that solid gold statue from a museum. Think stealing is wrong? Go ahead, ignore the quest and kill the questgiver.

So your defense is that if the game tries to teach you to steal, you should instead learn to murder? Wow, you're right! It is a good, Christian game!

Originally Posted by Shabitty

Also, another topic mentioned is how the story rambles on about "The Nine Gods" and such, ignoring the "true" god. Well, think of it like this. This game was made by a company, who needs to pay their employees. If they replaced their "Nine Gods" with the Christian god, they would get sued to no end, lose all their money, go defunct, and their hundreds of employees would all lose their jobs and have to go find new ones.

What the HECK are you talking about does not even begin to cover how confused I am by this statement. Who is going to "sue"? God LOVES it when people honor Him by making Christian video games! As long as they are based on the KJV 1611 Bible and teach His True Word, we encourage our future True Christian youth to play the video games. God never defends His copyrights, His Word is truly open source. As long as it is not changed in the slightest from His original wording and intention, God has no problem with people spreading His message in any format!

Originally Posted by Shabitty

Also, just like many people have been told "Nobody FORCED you to come here", I say, nobody FORCED you to play Oblivion. Honestly, you shouldn't have to petition to ban things you don't like. If you don't like them, then leave them well alone.

And if you don't like the way we try to spread the Good News about Jesus temporarily sacrificing Himself so we can spend eternity in Heaven, don't post here.

But Jesus brought you here for a reason friend! This is your chance to accept the love He is offering you. Don't you want to filled with the white-hot love of Jesus?

[James Hutchins]

The only video games I'd ever allow in my home would be those V-Tech ones. But even then, I do not want them in the house. I have this computer and we have the family TV console for watching PTL. All of the other video games are simply a way for Satan to seduce small childern.