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Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 08:16 PM
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A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus’ Wife
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife …'”
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She repeatedly cautioned that this fragment should not be taken as proof that Jesus, the historical person, was actually married. The text was probably written centuries after Jesus lived, and all other early, historically reliable Christian literature is silent on the question, she said.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 08:20 PM
Oh for goodness sake! Do we have to consider that a historically rigorous document like the New Testament could be in error in favour of some scrap of totally uncorroborated hearsay?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 08:35 PM
Let us not panic – let us approach this calmly and with the inspiration of The Lord Himself!
Consider this:
Book: 23:19 “And the Pharisees approached Him and one amongst them spake unto him and did say, “My wife says that you are no more than a deluded fraud!”
Book: 23:20 “Jesus said to him, ‘My wife … My wife?! What are you? Man or mouse? Why are you listening to your wife? Have not I said, “1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”?
Book: 23:21 And the Pharisees departed thence and did weep.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 09:56 PM
Of course it isn't real! I'm already claiming that the papyrus is too old to have been from the time of Jesus just like all the other "discoveries" in the last century or so.
To quote Dr. Bart Erhman, who is usually a God mocking fool, but on this he is correct.
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With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life
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If it comes from paper that is too new, we can throw it out unless it comes from paper that is older than manuscripts of the New Testament, which are corroborated by early church fathers that may not be on papyrus from the time they were written. We can accept those because they speak of one another.
I have never heard of any early church fathers say that Jesus was married. In fact, they say Mary Magdeline was a whore. So people who knew people who knew people that knew the disciples of Jesus wrote that she was a whore, even though their writings are not the originals from the time of their writing, we can determine this to be true.
It's all so simple!
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Coptic "Christians" are not Christians, does this look like a Christian to you?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 10:26 PM
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Coptic "Christians" are not Christians, does this look like a Christian to you?
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It looks like a Vulcan with a beard.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-18-2012, 10:27 PM
Yes, it's really amazing how some people can take value in a piece of paper that is thousands of years old and has an unclear origin. I will gladly ignore it and spend time on studying my Holy Bible instead.
Jesus having a wife, what will they make up next? Jesus having gay orgies with his 12 disciples? Jesus committing quackery? Jesus voting for Obama? Does the endless stream of baseless attacks on Jesus ever stop?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 12:07 AM
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Coptic "Christians" are not Christians, does this look like a Christian to you?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 05:29 AM
I have a scrap of papyrus that says I'm the President of Hong Kong that I bought in Japan for $5000 in chinkmoney. Does that make it true?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 07:05 AM
Maybe it's referring to one of those messican Jesus guys who mispronounce it "Hey Zeus!"
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 08:22 AM
Weren’t the Coptics a bunch of ganja-smoking nut bags that believed that marijuana was given to them by God, or was that the Rastafarians – I can never remember.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 08:53 AM
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From the JYT:The only "historically reliable Christian literature" that we need is the King James Bible, and if God had wanted that manuscript included in His Word, He would have seen to it that it was included. We True Christians™ understand that lots of ancient religious fanatics wrote lots of fanciful things and that we can't believe something just because it's in an ancient manuscript.
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That's ridiculous. The Greek text doesn't even have a word for "wife", since the Greek word " gunê" can mean both wife and woman ( link to concordance). This is precisely why you need God's inspired word (KJV1611) to tell you, whether " gunê" is to be interpreted as "wife" or "woman".
For all we know, the learned professor might be holding a scrap of John 2:4 in her womanly (wifely?) hands:
John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, [i.e. "gunê"] what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
1st Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1st Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1st Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 11:27 AM
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Weren’t the Coptics a bunch of ganja-smoking nut bags that believed that marijuana was given to them by God, or was that the Rastafarians – I can never remember.
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That was Rastafarians- the crazy nut jobs.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 03:30 PM
Harvard = Obama.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 03:35 PM
I think what we're dealing with here is a problem with trying to make head nor tail of texts written in archaic and foreign languages written in a way that is not really used today so even basic phrases can be misunderstood. What is good job we have the KJV which is not open to such confusion.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 05:41 PM
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Harvard = Obama.
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This is exactly what I was thinking, Brother. Harvard, once a proud Christian college, has become a beacon of communist sympathy. Trying to "prove" that Jesus wasn't who He said He was, or that the Bible is somehow not an authoritative source of revelation of the LORD, is but a lame attempt at discrediting the faith by calling the faithful dim-witted sheep-like followers.
The joke is on them, for no True Christian™ could ever be swayed by mere physical evidence. Faith is the only requirement a True Christian™ needs to know the Truth. All other information is superfluous and may be discarded as appropriate.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 07:10 PM
Coptic? That sounds like a made up language to me. Tell Harvard to call us when they find something in English.
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 07:25 PM
If it's not written in American, then i won't bother. Besides, it was on a papyrus, isn't that what the ancient and satanic Egyptians used as well? Are we supposed to trust some cat-worshipping satanists who enslaves innocent Christians and Jews?
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Re: Does ancient Coptic papyrus show that Jesus had a wife? -
09-19-2012, 10:32 PM
For centuries, women have been trying to trick men into marriage.
And this is what we obviously have here! A forgery by the Magdalene Woman "proving" she's his wife (NOTE: So conveniently After-the-Fact) that she can parade around and use to claim one half of His™ ownership of the Church!!!
Don't let her get away with it.
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