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Default Re: Castrating my son? - 11-15-2018, 09:39 PM

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Save his sperm so he can still be fruitful and multiply. Maybe allow him to masturbate a few more times and have him do it in a cup.
No. Spilling seed is a sin and God hates it. Read Genesis 38: 9-10.


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Default Re: Castrating my son? - 11-16-2018, 02:39 AM

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This is sort of a weird thing to talk about. However, I would like some christian opinions. I've been stuggling with porn and premarital sex. Should I pursue castration? I'm not against the idea. I do want to get married one day and have a family. I could always adopt. What should I do? I need advice.

Would a christian woman be okay with a castrated man?

I welcome any guidance on the issue.

Thank you!
Your analogy does not work, dear. You see, the OP's son wasn't "struggling." He was furiously engaged in obsessive and compulsive self-rape again and again and again. The Bible is clear that self-rape is against the Will of God for it does not beget that precious soul that must one day fear and obey His Creator (Genesis 38:8-10; Ecclesiastes 12:13). Furthermore, to think of one's own right hand with the same lust God created women to correct (1 Corinthians 7:8-9; Isaiah 64:8; Romans 9:20-21), is no less than adultery (Matthew 5:27-28). Jesus is very clear that one must absolutely avoid adultery even if it means removing the offending member (Matthew 5:29)! Only a heartless cretan would neglect their child to be damned forever (Proverbs 19:18)! I mean, which is the greater evil here! Loss of personal autonomy for the mere, finite lifespan of a human (Psalm 90:10), or eternal damnation?


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Default Re: Castrating my son? - 11-17-2018, 02:12 AM

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Exactly!!! So thanks for making my point. Why would you advocate doing it to a kid.It sounds like cherry picking to me and cruel. Anyway! Have a good life. I hope you find Christ. He isn't here.
By reading The Bible we can learn about Christ, about His sacrifice to redeem us from sin and what happens to everyone else. It bodes ill for anyone rejecting Salvation; when Jesus returns He will be killing over 6 billion such wretches (link [RIGHT] goes to post with most recent assessment). and only in The Bible can we learn the reason why. God explains about differences between men and women, there's no room for opinions or interpretations here and nothing to "think" about. If the Scripture in my reply made a point it would be difficult to glean what that point was supposed to be. I'd linked to a useful search in this context:

...and here's the whole passage:


––I Timothy 2:5-15
5 There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle..a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel,
. . . .with shamefacedness and sobriety;
. . . . . .not with broided hair,
. . . . . . . .or gold,
. . . . . . . . . .or pearls,
. . . . . . . . . . . .or costly array;

10 But.with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,
. . . .if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Poster was for some reason wondering about marriage prospects for eunuchs. Zero. Any marriage contract entered into would be null and void even if with an insane person for obvious reasons and subsequent marriage (after an annulment) would not be adulterous due to no consummation ever having occurred. For a more recent example you could check out the betrothal of Katherine of Aragon to Prince Arthur in 1497 and her subsequent marriage to his brother.

In cases where beslutment is involved any resulting pregnancy is terminated. God is very detailed in this matter and it is. important because men do not have any requirement to become pregnant for Salvation. If this is not abundantly clear then I doubt any more explicit a description would help and would suspect a mental blockage of some sort. That would be for The Pastors to assess. Here is God's instruction relating to guileful pregnancies:


––Numbers 5:12b-30a
12b-15 [God speaking] If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, and a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; and the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

16-18c And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering:

18d-22 And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23-26a And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar

26b-27 And afterward [the priest] shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28-30a And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled, or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him.




Has secular education degenerated to such an extent? Do I need to point out that anyone taking a eunuch for a husband would have no alternative to seeking out an iniquitous pregnancy? That even so under God's provision no Redemption would follow? That such a wretch would remain cursed? Of course the "marriage" would never have been real and so adultery is a moot point..as discussed by King Henry at great length and mostly in writing with the top legal minds of the day and all pretty much on the record which shouldn't be difficult to look up..meaning that forgiveness remains a possibility as it was for Mary Magdalene (and others possessed by this type of demon) due to Christ's foreknowledge and the Love He Shares with all who believe in Him.



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Default Re: Castrating my son? - 11-19-2018, 05:53 AM

@MitzaLizalor @Mary Etheldreda I'm ***unsubstantiated innuendo about immaculate True Christian™ Ladies removed by moderator*** not impressed with the representation
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@MitzaLizalor @Mary Etheldreda I'm...not impressed with the representation
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Care to take the time to actually respond to any of the points either of us made, or are you satisfied simply hurling insults and accusations and wallowing in the feeling of self-righteous frustration?


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Default Re: Castrating my son? - 11-19-2018, 07:33 AM

Haha! Interesting! The truth must hurt. I received a "warning a message". It is cheap coming from a site like this. You allow heresy run rapid on this site.

I did make my point earlier. It was edited with this" ***unsubstantiated innuendo about immaculate True Christian™ Ladies removed by moderator*** ". To be clear, it is not directed to you as a person(s). Only your current belief system. Which is not Christian.

You are welcome to block this account.

The only purpose of it was to spread the truth.

It is pointless to put much effort into a debate. I'm already receiving threats from this "holy" forum "Fuhrer". Go a head quarantine me.

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Haha! Interesting! The truth must hurt. I received a "warning a message". It is cheap coming from a site like this. You allow heresy run rapid on this site.

I did make my point earlier. It was edited with this" ***unsubstantiated innuendo about immaculate True Christian™ Ladies removed by moderator*** ". To be clear, it is not directed to you as a person(s). Only your current belief system. Which is not Christian.

You are welcome to block this account.

The only purpose of it was to spread the truth.

It is pointless to put much effort into a debate. I'm already receiving threats from this "holy" forum "Fuhrer". Go a head quarantine me.

Christ is alive.

Peace be with you!

Please find him!
Please do explain how reading 100% of the Bible as is, rather than cherry picking, is heresy. You may not agree with what we do here, but all what we do is read and apply what the Bible actually says.

Hence, here are some guiding questions which I would like you to include in your answer:


1. Do you believe some parts of the Bible are more trustworthy then others?
2. Do you believe God has changed His mind on some stuff over time?
3. Do you believe it is the duty of Christians to ignore and hide the parts of the Bible which do not conform to 21st century ethics?


In your answer, feel free to drop ad hominem attacks. They may be interpreted as if you did not have any actual arguments to present.
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Although Christ is most certainly alive, if you believe The Bible that is, He is not currently on Earth. You may recall that Jesus left a couple of millennia ago and has not yet returned. He was quite clear that He will in fact return (again if you accept The Bible) and that in the interim The Holy Spirit is available. More broadly, it is through Christians that Christ's ministry continues united by The Holy Spirit. Jesus used the analogy of a vine:
John 15:5-7 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
The Bible is clear that multiple witnesses saw Jesus leave the Earth and ascend into Heaven. Subsequently there were several occasions when He was seen actually in. Heaven and that is where He is now. Jesus was not saying that Christians are grapes. It is through The Holy Spirit that individuals are united as The Body of Christ much as grapes and leaves are united into a whole as parts of a vine. But plainly the witness of The Spirit will not contradict what Jesus has already told us. Under no circumstances will a message permitting idolatry ever be validated. No claim that amputations are not in fact better than everlasting torment will ever come from The Holy Spirit.

Such claims exist, yes. But they have nothing to do with Christianity because they contradict Jesus. Nothing contradicting Jesus is any sort of Truth. You have not explained your position regarding any types of amputation or shown a way that what you've claimed does not contradict Jesus. Of course anyone can believe anything they like but if what you believe disagrees with what Jesus Christ has already explained, then you are not any sort of Christian.

If your claims do. agree with Christ's message about Salvation then you'd need to explain how that's possible because at present what you say and what Jesus has said seem like two very different things.
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