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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 09-05-2011, 10:36 PM

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This is preposterous. Down Syndrome is not a choice anymore than Huntington's Disease or cancer is. Our bodies are cursed by the fall and this affects who we are, as in the case of the mentally handicapped. This forum's horrible pre-judgment is incredible. Jesus loves those who are infirm. You think because you read one book, the bible, you know all the answers. Medical books and doctors teach us things too and the bible teaches us to love the weak and the sick. Please read more of the Bible and you will see that this foolish and rash lashing out at everything we know from the medical community is misplaced anger.
Defending science and placing God's Holy Word beneath it?

This from a confessed marijuana addict.


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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 09-06-2011, 05:45 AM

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Then you need to explain how come God expressly excludes disabled persons from His presence and why Jesus views "disorders" such as you have mentioned as demonic possession.

If you read The New Testament you may notice that they are not allowed into the temple until after they've been exorcised.
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Angry Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 09-06-2011, 03:12 PM

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This is preposterous. Down Syndrome is not a choice anymore than Huntington's Disease or cancer is. Our bodies are cursed by the fall and this affects who we are, as in the case of the mentally handicapped. This forum's horrible pre-judgment is incredible. Jesus loves those who are infirm. You think because you read one book, the bible, you know all the answers. Medical books and doctors teach us things too and the bible teaches us to love the weak and the sick. Please read more of the Bible and you will see that this foolish and rash lashing out at everything we know from the medical community is misplaced anger.
You think people 'catch' it out of thin air? You think it happens by 'chance'? There is not more of a chance of it spontaneously happing than there is of me being an ape.
God strikes people down, He burns Churches, He causes horrifying accidents for good reasons, reason we have no right to question. We do know that it is usually to punish us or teach us a lesson. My experience has been that those who are 100% faithful to Him, never have these sorts of problems.
God hates the infirm. He only cures some to show that He can. He would cure everyone if the diseases/deformity/death was not well deserved. Do you seriously think we should not get what we deserve?


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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-03-2011, 07:57 PM

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I'm not that sure about it, although your analysis is brilliant. I believe that borderline personality disorder and anorexia nervosa are lifestyle choices, since anorexia is just taking the vegan stuff a bit further.

However, Down syndrome might be the result of a human being born without soul. The thick throat, malformed face, clumsiness and low IQ are all features of a soulless beast. Since they lack soul, you don't have to feel guilt if you're cruel to a mongo.
Also that vegan shit is silly, my boyfriend is vegan is he is not anorexic, he is a healthy young man. There's is nothing wrong with Veganism. Its actually very healthy.

I have worked with these 'souless' people and i have not witnessed any that you say. They actually are very bright kids/people. To amuse that they are soulless beasts and that down syndrome is a result of a human without a souls is absolutely asinine
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-03-2011, 08:02 PM

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All women are born to be sluts which is why True Christian ™ men must keep such a close eye on their daughters, and why husbands must keep their wives home except when attending proper church events with proper escorts.
All woman are born sluts, really!?
Is that why there are so many brilliant and talented woman working high paying jobs that don't evolve sucking a c**k? Cause I'm pretty sure that not all woman are sluts. Since Im a woman myself and have only ever had one boyfriend hopefully soon to be husbands.
AND Men can be sluts just as much as woman can, they also cheat, have sex etc.
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All woman are born sluts, really!?
Is that why there are so many brilliant and talented woman working high paying jobs that don't evolve sucking a c**k? Cause I'm pretty sure that not all woman are sluts. Since Im a woman myself and have only ever had one boyfriend hopefully soon to be husbands.
AND Men can be sluts just as much as woman can, they also cheat, have sex etc.
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5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-03-2011, 10:34 PM

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Also that vegan shit is silly
I dislike your potty mouth, but I agree with your sentiments about the silliness of veganism.
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There's is nothing wrong with Veganism. Its actually very healthy.
Provide Scriptural evidence for your radical claim, please.
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I have worked with these 'souless' people and i have not witnessed any that you say. They actually are very bright kids/people. To amuse that they are soulless beasts and that down syndrome is a result of a human without a souls is absolutely asinine
K, so they're demon-possessed and going to Hell. That's worse.
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Is that why there are so many brilliant and talented woman working high paying jobs that don't evolve sucking a c**k?
Um, is this sarcasm?


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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-08-2011, 11:14 AM

I'm very sorry for having this as my first post, but I really wanted to get my view out here. I wanted to quickly say something about this topic.

Down syndrome is caused by a person having one more chromosome than they should. Most people have 46 chromosomes (22 pairs of autosomes and 1 pair of 'sex' chromosomes), and that was almost doubtlessly the way God made us. However, people with Down Syndrome have three copies of chromosome 21, when unaffected people have only two. They are born with this third copy of the chromosome. I won't get into how they have this third copy, it's quite technical.

People with Down Syndrome are born with this third copy of chromosome 21, and that effects their body and mind immensely. The Intelligence Quotient (IQ) of normal children is generally around 100, whereas in children afflicted with Down Syndrome it is usually in the vicinity of 50. It also effects their body and growth in the way that gives them their well-known facial traits.
In 100% of cases, the condition results in mental retardation and stunted growth. This is all because of the third copy of chromosome 21. I'll let you know that I've worked with children with Down Syndrome, and that they are the most sensitive and loving children I have ever met. It is an (at the moment) incurable biological fault in their systems, and in no way a choice. Unlike homosexuals, they actually are born with this. There is no cure for it at the moment.

Again, Down Syndrome is caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21, a completely unchangeable fault that they had no choice in doing. It happens in the earliest stages of a life; conception and post-conception development. They are still people, however, and deserve to be loved just as much as anybody else.

Thanks for reading, I just wanted to get this point across. Keep loving Jesus and helping the world. Thanks.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-08-2011, 11:19 AM

So God can't smite a baby who has sinned in the womb?

I bet you're one of these "The baby is not alive in the womb; abort abort!" merchants.



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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-08-2011, 11:31 AM

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So God can't smite a baby who has sinned in the womb?

I bet you're one of these "The baby is not alive in the womb; abort abort!" merchants.
I don't quite get what you mean.
Having an extra chromosome is an act that is carried out almost entirely by random chance. It isn't their fault in any way.
Yes, of course God could smite a child who has sinned prenatally. I just don't think that having an extra chromosome is really a sin. It's unlucky, it's not very good, but they didn't mean to. It just happened.

And I'm not for abortion at all. I know that it would be completely unfair and a sin beyond comprehension to kill a child before it is born. Please don't assume things about me.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-08-2011, 12:03 PM

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Having an extra chromosome is an act that is carried out almost entirely by random chance.
Medical literature describes things. It does not attribute causes. Whether or not one agrees with their description the cause remains demonic. These "syndromes" are not mentioned in The Bible, but many of the "symptoms" are described and they are always attributed, BY GOD, to demonic possession.

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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-08-2011, 01:08 PM

These chromosomes sound like a curse the way you describe them. Seems like a pretty good way for God to smite a sinful baby prenatally.



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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-09-2011, 08:25 AM

Well, I'm a cock fiend, and I care for downs kiddies, a whole bunch of them black, and them and I were definitely born this way, I mean, why does it matter that I love sucking juicy black cock?
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-09-2011, 08:29 AM

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Well, I'm a cock fiend, and I care for downs kiddies, a whole bunch of them black, and them and I were definitely born this way, I mean, why does it matter that I love sucking juicy black (schnitzels)?
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-11-2011, 04:53 AM

Down Syndrome is caused by a malformation of the 21st chromosome in a developing child. Most commonly by an extra copy of the chromosome but sometimes in a "mosaic" pattern where only some of their cells have an extra copy. In the most rare cases there is a piece of an extra 21st chromosome that has become translocated onto another.

....But you guys were close with the whole "choice" thing
P.S. i especially liked the guy who said they don't have souls.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-11-2011, 05:18 AM

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Down Syndrome is caused by a malformation of the 21st chromosome...
Thank you for reading the entire thread, where you undoubtedly saw that exact point raised (and dismissed) several times.

It's great to know what's actually happened so far, so you don't look like a clueless Muthaf***a wasting people's time, huh?



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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-15-2011, 04:30 PM

Looking at some posts here at this thread and other threads on the board, it seems to me that there are people who shouldn't be allowed to even have an internet connection nor even own a computer.
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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-15-2011, 04:32 PM

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Looking at some posts here at this thread and other threads on the board, it seems to me that there are people who shouldn't be allowed to even have an internet connection nor even own a computer.
And yet here you are...



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Default Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice! - 10-15-2011, 04:36 PM

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And yet here you are...
Funny eh? I mean I don't get the idea of people who want to troll on a board like LBC. I actualy don't get the idea of trolling generally.
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