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Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 04:18 PM
Do Christians "Hate Gays"?
Friends, I often preach on the sinfulness of homosexuality and on the need for homosexuals to repent. For my efforts, I am frequently accused of being a homophobe or of hating gays. This is a complete mischaracterization.
I know several people who are open homosexuals. They are friendly, hard-working people. I don't feel uncomfortable around them, even when they display affection. Some of them adopted children, and those children grew up and didn't turn out any different from children raised by heterosexual couples. Homosexuals don't seem to have any "agenda" other than a desire to be treated normally.
I don't buy arguments that allowing homosexuals to marry would "undermine marriage". My marriage is between me, my wife, and God. If secular law allowed the gay couple down the street to have legal recognition for their relationship, it would not affect my relationship in the least. If a man loves his wife and loves the Lord, I can't imagine how legal recognition for gay marriage could change that. It seems to me that the people who cry the loudest about the institution of marriage being undermined are the same people who use a "wide stance" in the public restrooms, if you know what I mean. Their marriages are already a sham, so the worst legalizing gay marriage would do to them is to allow them to not be hypocrites about it.
I also don't buy arguments about homosexuality being a choice. Sure, they can choose to be abstinent or to marry a person they aren't attracted to, but they don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. I didn't choose to be attracted to women -- I just am. Even before I was saved, I was never attracted to men. I can't imagine looking at another man's hairy hiney and thinking it was something I wanted. A homosexual man is a person who is equally repulsed by the idea of being with a woman. It's not binary either; there is a smooth gradient between a 100% heterosexual and a 100% homosexual, and many people feel varying degrees of attraction to each gender.
To conclude this first part (yes, there is a "however" coming up), I don't have any personal problem with folks being gay. If two guys walk down the street with their arms around each other, or two women kiss on a park bench, it doesn't hurt me at all. If I hadn't gotten saved and read the Bible to learn how God feels about homosexuality, then I wouldn't care about this issue at all.
However...
Man's ways are not God's ways. Even though my mortal mind doesn't understand the problem with it, God clearly sees homosexuality as a grievous sin. In Old Testament times, God called homosexuality an abomination and even demanded that all practicing homosexuals be put to death ( Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13).
Some people will read this and say, but that's the Old Testament so it doesn't mean anything anymore. Jesus did away with the old laws and established a new covenant. There are many things wrong with such a statement, but the easiest way to dismiss it is to point out that the sinfulness of homosexuality was reiterated in the New Testament ( Ro 1:26-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, 1Tim 1:10, 2Tim 3:3, Jude 7-8).
I've even heard some professing Christians summarily dismiss all of those verses because "they were written by Paul, and Paul was a bigot". Now, I'm not the one to judge the faith of a person who would throw out half the books in the New Testament because he doesn't like the message they contain, but I will ask this question. Was God a "bigot" when He wrote Leviticus? Was God a "bigot" when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Of course not.
However, there is hope for homosexuals. Jesus established a new covenant, and homosexuals can be saved if they repent and believe. That's why we don't kill homosexuals any more, despite what Lev 20:13 says. Now we help them to understand that homosexuality is sinful, but that Jesus can help them. Once they repent of the sin of homosexuality and get saved, the Holy Spirit lives inside of them, and they will have the tools they need to overcome their homosexuality. They might still feel slight temptation from time to time, but they as saved Christians, they are easily able to avoid acting on it, because saved Christians cannot sin.
1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Of course, like any other unsaved person, homosexuals are in love with their sin, and hate any message (and messenger) that tells them they have to give up their sin. So, we are accused of "hating gays" simply for warning them of God's wrath.
If we hated gays, we wouldn't warn them at all. We'd just stand back and let them damn themselves. We preach the Gospel to them because we love them.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 07:57 PM
Pastor Billy, I respect you greatly. Your post troubles me though. You see, I have horrible secret. You see, I DO hate the gays. I hate everything about them! The way they walk, the way they talk, the way the try to sissify straight men on that faggy "Queer Guy" TV show.
Please don't tell me I have to start loving the queers! That would make me a queer lover and half a fag, maybe worse! I'm so confused right now, I'm feeling really down. I don't want to turn into a sodomite!
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Portway
Pastor Billy, I respect you greatly. Your post troubles me though. You see, I have horrible secret. You see, I DO hate the gays. I hate everything about them! The way they walk, the way they talk, the way the try to sissify straight men on that faggy "Queer Guy" TV show.
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There's nothing wrong with that, Brother.
It's their bondage to sin that makes them walk, talk, and prance the way they do. Once they get saved, they quit acting that way, and then you can be friends with them. They'll stop being interested in Bravo network, shopping, fancy wine, and manicures, and start being interested in Jesus, Nascar, football, and cars, like real men.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben
There's nothing wrong with that, Brother.
It's their bondage to sin that makes them walk, talk, and prance the way they do. Once they get saved, they quit acting that way, and then you can be friends with them. They'll stop being interested in Bravo network, shopping, fancy wine, and manicures, and start being interested in Jesus, Nascar, football, and cars, like real men.
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Thank you pastor. I do worry though. Those gays are devious and I do believe they want me, in the gay way. Whenever I see one, I can feel them wanting to do unspeakable things with me, some even involving my rear end! I just can't stop thinking about it!
My mind is full of images of gays and my rear end! It's horrible! Do you think I need to convert one of my linen closets into a prayer closet? When my mind is full of queer images, I could just lock myself in the closet. Would that help?
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 10:28 PM
I don't know, Brother Aaron. I think putting yourself in the closet is just repressing your emotions. You need to come OUT of the closet.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-19-2008, 10:40 PM
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I don't know, Brother Aaron. I think putting yourself in the closet is just repressing your emotions. You need to come OUT of the closet.
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But I'm tormented by the gay thoughts!
I mean . . . tormented by the gays thinking about me!
I've only been saved this time for less than a year, from the drink and the drugs and the fornication and the experimen . . .
I have to get a hold of myself. I have to remain strong. I need to go read my Bible, I'll be back later! Pray for me!!! Please!!!
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-20-2008, 02:32 PM
Normal people would never choose to be a sodomite. Therefore, sodomites are all controlled by satan.
I hate satan, and all his works.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-20-2008, 04:07 PM
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Normal people would never choose to be a sodomite. Therefore, sodomites are all controlled by satan.
I hate satan, and all his works.
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Me too Pastor. I had a tough day yesterday, with Satan and the gays and the thoughts they directed at my bottom.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-20-2008, 09:48 PM
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Normal people would never choose to be a sodomite. Therefore, sodomites are all controlled by satan.
I hate satan, and all his works.
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Thank you, Pastor Zeke. This man has ministered to me quite a bit on the subject of homosexuality. He helped me to overcome my grievous filthy lifestyle and become a decent, Christian, heterosexual.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-27-2008, 07:49 PM
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Pastor Billy, I respect you greatly. Your post troubles me though. You see, I have horrible secret. You see, I DO hate the gays. I hate everything about them! The way they walk, the way they talk, the way the try to sissify straight men on that faggy "Queer Guy" TV show.
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I know 2 gay persons and believe me, they don't act like that. (even i hate the queer guy)
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09-27-2008, 08:58 PM
I'm christian and I completely dislike anything to do with gays. I believe in tolerance by not being associated with someone and trying to be humble and live a completely secluded life from any and all aspects of society, but when someone says the word "gay" or some homosexual man approaches me I really have to find it deep down in myself to not stone them then and there.
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08-30-2015, 02:48 PM
Me and my friends did a social experiment-pretending to be gays to talk to girls. Girls gave us phone number and spank our ***vulgar synonym for the gluteal region removed by moderator***. A Christian preacher in the street started calling us name and chased me around as I was the cameraman.
I would like to know how would you call this love! He called me shit, garbage and I wasn't even doing gay stuff. I was just a camera man!
How can you claim to not hate, like 0% hate at all when you called gay people a fool, provoke them for a public argument.
I think all you have to do is watch the video because picture is a thousand words.
***Rude video promoting homersexual sodomistic fornication removed by moderator***
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
08-30-2015, 03:25 PM
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##something about a spanking experiment##
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You have not quoted any Scripture in support of your position.
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08-30-2015, 05:09 PM
I don't hate gays even though I was almost killed by them once. I love people. I'll leave it to Jesus to hate the gays for me.
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I don't hate gays even though I was almost killed by them once. I love people. I'll leave it to Jesus to hate the gays for me.
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That was a real close shave, brother. If only more people knew the truth about the gaywise and the actual risk they pose to people, what with being gay and all.
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Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Me and my friends did a social experiment-pretending to be gays to talk to girls.
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I stopped reading, right here.
Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
You are the vilest of people. You make both Jesus and I sick to our stomach. You will burn in the Lake of Fire, forever. Damn you!
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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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08-31-2015, 01:53 AM
Dear Boy George,
As Brother Niles pointed out above, you were aiding and abetting in the gaysexual deathstyle. Your disturbing cinematography paints you as a homer collaborator. A gay enabler, or gaynabler if you will.
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
08-31-2015, 12:00 PM
Are gay's humans? Or are they demons in human body?
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Are gay's humans? Or are they demons in human body?
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They certainly suffer from rectal demons, so yeah, I guess we could look at it that way...?
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Re: Do Christians "Hate Gays"? -
09-21-2015, 02:30 AM
I don't hate anyone, but is it always wrong to hate? God said, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." What I hate is sin being called good and good being called evil. I'm sick and tired of Christians being blamed by non-believers for all the problems in the world. I'm sick and tired of homosexuality being thrown into our faces and being accepted by churches and so-called "pastors". I'm sick and tired of being called a bigot and a hater because I call men with men and women with women in a sexual relationship sin.
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