[Cquhwipp]

Hi all.

Just signed up to the forum as I was browsing through the internet, and I must say the majority of this community seems to have a firm and fixed belief on how people should live their life. I'm not judging those opinions, whether they are wrong or right, towards an ethical standard.
Anyway, I live in Australia and I have attended a number of churches over the past few years - Uniting church, Catholic church, Baptist church - and they all have similar views towards what Jesus was teaching, and each taught in a different way.

I'm posting here to ask what your thoughts are on ailments, and if you have a previous thread on it could you link it to me? Thank you.

[Faith_Machine]

Friend, our thoughts on ailments, as well as our thoughts on just about any topic, are exactly the same as God's views on those subjects.

When it comes to the topic of ailments, those are often God's direct punishment for your wickedness. On other occasions, though, God may simply be allowing Satan to infect you with a sickness in order to test your faith or build character, as was the case with Job:

Job 2:7

So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

I'm curious, why do you ask us this question? Are you yourself suffering from some terrible ailment? That's not at all surprising if you've spent any time at all in a Catholic church.

Doing so makes you very vulnerable to demons who bring with them physical disease, and in the case of very young boys, I've heard it's not uncommon for them to leave a Catholic church with hemhorrhoids for some reason.

[Cquhwipp]

I honestly can't say I spent a long time in the Catholic church. To be clear, yes, I'm sick. Chronic fatigue a numerous other things. I've had healing services for it and prayers from all of the community around me. I must admit, it does help my spirit. But overall, I'm lost. People in my church (baptist) have told me that God does have a plan for me.

I know this isn't probably not the best place for me to learn as it is a very one-sided community, but I do believe that I may be able to learn something out of simple and harmless Q and A. I'm just not too fond of being flamed by people in this community as it seems very threatening.

Jesus is my savior... I just need some ideas to look for guidance.

My only ask of this community in this thread is that it does not bring anything but help, and nothing to do with racial inequality or homosexuality (I am of British descent, and I have a girlfriend). I feel that it would not help my current status.

[Redeemed Papist]

Why do people find it impossible to read the Bible?

[Cquhwipp]

Christ is my savior, I suppose He just magic'd His way into my life then if the bible wasn't involved... I haven't read all of the bible granted, but I have made some amount of effort to pay attention during church, and I have read a lot of the new testament. Assuming things is boss isn't it?

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

To be clear, yes, I'm sick. Chronic fatigue a numerous other things.

I don't mean any offense by this, friend, but I thought 'chronic fatigue' was a new-age code word for being lazy, getting a doctor to sign off on it and collecting disability? Perhaps you can clarify? What is the actual cause?

[Cquhwipp]

Coeliac disease, allergies, migraines, unable to absorb certain B vitamins from food and postural hypotension. And chronic fatigue is a diagnosis of un-diagnosis, meaning they don't know why your the way you are, but you are that way. That's how it was explained to me at least.

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

And chronic fatigue is a diagnosis of un-diagnosis, meaning they don't know why your the way you are, but you are that way. That's how it was explained to me at least.

Ah, I see. So it's not wanting to do much of anything, with no known medical cause, but it's not laziness. Thanks for the clarification.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

Christ is my savior, I suppose He just magic'd His way into my life then if the bible wasn't involved... I haven't read all of the bible granted, but I have made some amount of effort to pay attention during church, and I have read a lot of the new testament. Assuming things is boss isn't it?

There's your problem.

Listening to preachers is a sure fire way to be led to Hell while thinking you're being holy. Preachers are notorious for picking the bits of the Bible they want you to hear that matches their agenda and skilfully editing out the rest; sometimes the very next verse to the one they quote that entirely contradicts what they are trying to say.

Let's look at the following example:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

This is often used to give the impression that Jesus will save the whole world and condemns nothing.

Let's look at the very next thing Jesus says!

John 3:18-21 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So the actual message of Jesus is that He comes to save the world but very much on the condition that the world sits up and takes notice and does as it is told.

The rest of John 3 is even more instructive in this regard and signs off with the following: John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Yet time and time again, fluffy bunny Christians will quote John 3:17 and only that verse to rebuke people like us who read the whole Bible and always look at everything in context.

This is why it is vitally important you read the Bible yourself with a totally open mind before even thinking to comment on God and never ever take everything a preacher tells you at face value.

This is why we True Christians™ always stand by the motto that what we say is Biblically correct and invite you to prove us wrong.

[Cquhwipp]

I understand what you are getting at with the bible reading and all, but my preacher doesn't take just one verse, but the whole chapter into account when he preaches. I'm pretty sure that means he's doing a good job considering he spends weeks on the one topic using verses and chapters from all over the bible.

There's one other thing I would like to know from these forums (by the way, thanks for the help, my preacher told me the same thing, read the bible and you will find your way) is that being a true Christian in my area means you have to love and appreciate everyone and everything. Everyone has faults, sometimes not being born into the right situations is the cause, or being brought up with the wrong morals causes trouble later in life. In Genesis God kicked humanity out of the garden of Eden, and time and time again smite those who went against His will, then he sent His only son to earth with new moral codes; Love. Sure that does mean we cannot throw away the Old Testament, but it makes 'some' of the rules invalid does it not? I mean sending your son to his death has to mean something right? Sorry if this is at all offensive, but I'm just curious about the beliefs some of you have and I can't be bothered sifting through all the forums after all it's filled with troll posts and stuff that I can't tell if sarcasm is involved or not.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

I understand what you are getting at with the bible reading and all, but my preacher doesn't take just one verse, but the whole chapter into account when he preaches. I'm pretty sure that means he's doing a good job considering he spends weeks on the one topic using verses and chapters from all over the bible.

There's one other thing I would like to know from these forums (by the way, thanks for the help, my preacher told me the same thing, read the bible and you will find your way) is that being a true Christian in my area means you have to love and appreciate everyone and everything. Everyone has faults, sometimes not being born into the right situations is the cause, or being brought up with the wrong morals causes trouble later in life. In Genesis God kicked humanity out of the garden of Eden, and time and time again smite those who went against His will, then he sent His only son to earth with new moral codes; Love. Sure that does mean we cannot throw away the Old Testament, but it makes 'some' of the rules invalid does it not? I mean sending your son to his death has to mean something right? Sorry if this is at all offensive, but I'm just curious about the beliefs some of you have and I can't be bothered sifting through all the forums after all it's filled with troll posts and stuff that I can't tell if sarcasm is involved or not.

Friend,

Yes, we need love everyone and appreciate their faults, but our faults is the issue. We ALL are so evil and vile that we ALL deserve to be tortured for eternity for the crime of existing. Everyone needs to get to Jesus to have any chance of escaping the punishment we all deserve.

So what do people do instead of helping themselves; they have gay sex and socialism! A good and TRUE Christian has to warn people.

[Cquhwipp]

Wait... what? Socialism? I am assuming are saying socialism is worse than communism as you are using it in relation to homosexuality.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

Wait... what? Socialism? I am assuming are saying socialism is worse than communism as you are using it in relation to homosexuality.

Socialism isn't Christian, that's for sure. You didn't see the Kings of ancient Israel giving universal health care, do you?

But that's not my point. My point is people are indulging themselves with things they want, like anal sodomy and universal heath care, rather than what The Good Lord wants. Universal health care isn't going to get anyone into Heaven.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

I understand what you are getting at with the bible reading and all, but my preacher doesn't take just one verse, but the whole chapter into account when he preaches. I'm pretty sure that means he's doing a good job considering he spends weeks on the one topic using verses and chapters from all over the bible.

That's a good start. Our church takes not just the verse or the chapter or the subject into consideration, but the entire Bible. Since we are homeschooled, we throw out science and memorize the whole Bible at a young age. If you don't memorize the Bible, then how do you know if you're following the whole thing at one time?
[/QUOTE]

Where does it say that in the Bible? It says to love God and your neighbors. It says to forgive rapists, murderers, and pederasts seventy times seven times before even daring to judge them, much less intervene. But where does it say to love everything? There are many instances where we are commanded to kill. Are you saying the Bible is some sort of code meant only for the cognoscenti to understand?

Everyone has faults, sometimes not being born into the right situations is the cause, or being brought up with the wrong morals causes trouble later in life. In Genesis God kicked humanity out of the garden of Eden, and time and time again smite those who went against His will, then he sent His only son to earth with new moral codes; Love. Sure that does mean we cannot throw away the Old Testament, but it makes 'some' of the rules invalid does it not? I mean sending your son to his death has to mean something right?

So you're saying that Jesus' temporary sacrifice means we don't have to follow the laws? Jesus didn't think so.

Matthew 5:18 (King James Version) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Which laws were you thinking we don't have to follow? Where does it say in the Bible that we don't have to follow those laws?

Why would you spit on Jesus' teachings like this?

[Faith_Machine]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

...is that being a true Christian in my area means you have to love and appreciate everyone and everything.

Where does it say that in the Bible?

Also, being a True Christian™ does not mean different things in different places; God's law is eternal and totally consistent. In the Bible, he gives you a set of simple, easy-to-follow, easy-to-understand rules that you can and should apply to all situations.

[Cquhwipp]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

That's a good start. Our church takes not just the verse or the chapter or the subject into consideration, but the entire Bible. Since we are homeschooled, we throw out science and memorize the whole Bible at a young age. If you don't memorize the Bible, then how do you know if you're following the whole thing at one time?

Where does it say that in the Bible? It says to love God and your neighbors. It says to forgive rapists, murderers, and pederasts seventy times seven times before even daring to judge them, much less intervene. But where does it say to love everything? There are many instances where we are commanded to kill. Are you saying the Bible is some sort of code meant only for the cognoscenti to understand?



So you're saying that Jesus' temporary sacrifice means we don't have to follow the laws? Jesus didn't think so.

Matthew 5:18 (King James Version) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Which laws were you thinking we don't have to follow? Where does it say in the Bible that we don't have to follow those laws?

Why would you spit on Jesus' teachings like this?

I'm pretty sure I said some laws, not all laws, particularly the ones that involve hurting others after they hurt you.

To be clear I agree with Jesus teaching of:
Matthew 5:38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
This was to replace the act of retaliating when attacked. I saw a thread on this forum about a child beating up another child... That is a direct act against what Jesus said, as being 'Christian' entails following the words that Christ our savior taught us through his parables and his death. This is why I am suggesting that maybe some of the older rules that were in the old testament MIGHT be void. This also states that everyone is equal - I am pretty sure that is socialism, and the people who killed Jesus were capitalists - and that we as Christians should love everyone. Jesus walked with the commoners, not the wealthy in the society, and healed those who believed and did not believe alike. The blind man didn't know of Jesus and then he was healed. Christ healed those who did not believe and did not treat his disciples any better then he treated those who passed by in a street. Was Jesus not sent to be a way of guidance to God's people, so that they may learn and follow in Jesus footsteps so that His sacrifice was not in vain.

[Faith_Machine]

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp

It says to forgive rapists, murderers, and pederasts seventy times seven times before even daring to judge them, much less intervene.

Hold on there, pal: You're telling us the Bible says we shouldn't intervene if we observe a pederast buggering a young boy?

You must be reading a Catholic Bible.

[Cquhwipp]

I never said anything like that and why would you twist my words like that? I only said to love humanity, and not hurt someone who hurts you (I should have stated 'within parameters'). Obviously you would not let what you said happen, it's the same with murder, but Jesus taught us to love and except. I Never said ignore God's commandments.

[Faith_Machine]

My friend, did you or did you not post the following words?

Originally Posted by Cquhwipp
It says to forgive rapists, murderers, and pederasts seventy times seven times before even daring to judge them, much less intervene.

The only one twisting words here is you, and the words you're twisting are God's.

I'd love for you to prove me wrong, though. Please pick up a copy of the 1611 King James Bible and show me where it says we should not intervene when we witness acts of pederasty.

Please also show me where it says we should not "dare" to judge them.

[Cquhwipp]

Originally Posted by Faith_Machine

My friend, did you or did you not post the following words?




The only one twisting words here is you, and the words you're twisting are God's.

I'd love for you to prove me wrong, though. Please pick up a copy of the 1611 King James Bible and show me where it says we should not intervene when we witness acts of pederasty.

Please also show me where it says we should not "dare" to judge them.

I did not say that? I quoted that from someone else in this forum?