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Trump Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 09-29-2016, 10:37 PM

If you know anyone else on the other side of the political divide, please get them to read this article. It will turn communists/democrats into Trump voters by pointing out that Hillary is the actual conservative, and Trump is the actual revolutionary, and that a Trump administration will be a dream come true for the extreme left:

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Many conservatives make the argument against utopianism. The millenarian longing for a world where all systems are destroyed, all problems are solved, and everything is permissible – that’s dangerous whether it comes from Puritans or Communists. These same conservatives have traced this longing through leftist history from Lenin through social justice.

...But Hillary? The left and right both critique Hillary the same way. She’s too in bed with the system. Corporations love her. Politicians love her. All she wants to do is make little tweaks – a better tax policy here, a new foreign policy doctrine there. The critiques are right. Hillary represents complete safety from millennialism.

Trump’s policy ideas are mostly silly, but no one cares, because he’s not really running on policy. He’s running on making America great again, fighting the special interests, and defying the mainstream media. Nobody cares what policies he’ll implement after he does this, because his campaign is more an expression of rage at these things than anything else...

Systems are hard. Institutions are hard. If your goal is to replace the current systems with better ones, then destroying the current system is 1% of the work, and building the better ones is 99% of it.Throughout history, dozens of movements have doomed entire civilizations by focusing on the “destroying the current system” step and expecting the “build a better one” step to happen on its own. That never works. The best parts of conservativism are the ones that guard this insight and shout it at a world too prone to taking shortcuts.

Donald Trump does not represent those best parts of conservativism. To transform his movement into Marxism, just replace
the bourgeoisie” with “the coastal elites” and “false consciousness” with “PC speech”. Just replace the assumption that everything will work itself out once power is in the hands of the workers, with the assumption that everything will work itself out once power is in the hands of “real Americans”. Just replace the hand-waving lack of plans with what to do after the Revolution with a hand-waving lack of plans what to do after the election. In both cases, the sheer virtue of the movement, and the apocalyptic purification of the rich people keeping everyone else down, is supposed to mean everything will just turn out okay on its own. That never works.

Never works, unless you really like t-shirts, T-34s, and tetris. I also liked their female Olympic athletes, for some reason.
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...The problem with getting every American a job isn’t that nobody has been fighting for them, the problem with getting every American a job is that getting 100% employment in a modern economy is a really hard problem.

Donald Trump not only has no solution to that problem, he doesn’t even understand the question. He lives in a world where there is no such thing as intelligence, only loyalty. If we haven’t solved all of our problems yet, it’s because the Department of Problem-Solving was insufficiently loyal, and didn’t try hard enough. His only promise is to fill that department with loyal people who really want the problem solved.

I’ve never been fully comfortable with the Left because I feel like they often make the same error – the only reason there’s still poverty is because the corporate-run government is full of traitors...One of the right’s great redeeming feature has been an awareness of these kinds of tradeoffs. But this election, it’s Hillary who sounds restrained and realistic...

...The world has seen history’s greatest alleviation of poverty over the past few decades, and this shows every sign of continuing as long as we don’t do something incredibly stupid that blows up the current world order...

I don’t see a Clinton presidency as making the world non-functional, whatever that means. I don’t know what I see a Trump presidency doing because, Trump is inherently unpredictable, but some major blow to world functionality is definitely on the list of possibilities.

The interesting thing about this election is that college-educated whites are also moving into the Democratic column....The nightmare scenario is that Trump wins, his style of anti-intellectual populism is cemented as Official New Republican Ideology, and every educated person switches to the Democrats.

...there’s a vicious cycle where the lack of intelligent conservatives guts the system of think tanks that produce the sort of studies and analyses which convince smart people to become conservative, which in turn makes there even fewer intelligent conservatives, and so on. In the end, intellectuals won’t just vote Democrat; they’ll shift their personal views further to the left to fit in....As intelligent people desert the Republican Party, this situation gets worse and we lose access to any knowledge that Vox doesn’t want to write an explainer on.

An exaggeration, maybe. There will still be this.
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Okay, but what about the real reason Trump is so popular?

When I talk to Trump supporters, it’s not usually about doubting climate change, or thinking Trump will take the conservative movement in the right direction, or even immigration. It’s about the feeling that a group of arrogant, intolerant, sanctimonious elites have seized control of a lot of national culture and are using it mostly to spread falsehood and belittle anybody different than them. And Trump is both uniquely separate from these elites and uniquely repugnant to them – which makes him look pretty good to everyone else.

This is definitely true. Please vote Hillary anyway.

Aside from the fact that getting back at annoying people isn’t worth eroding the foundations of civil society – do you really think a Trump election is going to hurt these people at all? Make them question anything? “Oh, 51% of the American people disagree with me, I guess that means I’ve got a lot of self-reflecting to do.” Of course not. A Trump election would just confirm for them exactly what they already believe – that the average American is a stupid racist who needs to be kept as far away from public life as possible. If Trump gets elected, sure, the editorial pages will be full of howls of despair the next day, but underneath the howls will be quiet satisfaction that the world is exactly the way they believed it to be.

The right sometimes argues that modern leftism is analogous to early millenarian Christianity. They argue this, and then they say “
You know what would stop these people in their tracks? A strong imperial figure who persecutes them. That’s definitely going to make them fade away quietly. There is no way this can possibly go wrong.

Leftism has never been about controlling the government, and really the government is one of the areas it controls least effectively – even now both houses of Congress, most state legislatures, most governors, etc, are Republican. When people say that the Left is in control, they’re talking about academia, the media, the arts, and national culture writ large. But all of these things have a tendency to define themselves in opposition to the government. When the left controls the government, this is awkward and tends to involve a lot of infighting. When the right controls the government, it[being a leftist] gets easy. If Trump controls the government, it gets ridiculously easy. ...

One more warning for conservatives who still aren’t convinced. If the next generation is radicalized by Trump being a bad president, they’re not just going to lean left. They’re going to lean regressive, totalitarian, super-social-justice left.

Everyone has already constructed the narrative: Trump is the anti-PC, anti-social-justice candidate.
If he wins, he’s going to be the anti-PC, anti-social-justice President. And he will fail. First of all, because he doesn’t really show much sign of knowing what he’s doing. Second of all, because all presidents fail in a sense – 80% of Americans consistently believe the country is headed the wrong direction and the president is the natural fall guy for this trend. And third of all, because even if by some miracle Trump avoids the first two failure modes, the media will say he failed and people will believe them. Andwhen the anti-PC, anti-social-justice President fails, the reaction will be a giant “we told you so” from the social justice movement, and a giant shift of all the disillusioned young people right into their fold.

Trump is all set to be the biggest gift to the social justice movement in history. They thrive on claims of persecution, claims that they’re the ones fighting a stupid hateful regressive culture that controls everything. And people think that bringing their straw man to life and putting him in the Oval Office is going to help?
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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 09-30-2016, 12:09 PM

What you are saying could explain this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ton-allegation




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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-01-2016, 09:50 PM

A follow-up post lays out all the evidence that Hillary is a peacenik hippie, and Trump is your best choice to bring on the End Times. It concludes with:
...maybe he’ll actually shoot at Iran and invade Libya and first-strike North Korea and steal oil from Iraq and send troops against ISIS and try to remove Assad. Who knows? He’s said a thousand times now that he’s totally different from the usual politicians, and I believe him. He could do pretty much anything.

...I’m not sure if Hillary will be more aggressive or more peaceful than the last few presidents, but I don’t expect her to be a wild outlier totally beyond comparison to any previous president. I expect her to consult the foreign policy community on anything important she does, and take some advice relatively within their Overton Window. If she comes to the brink of nuclear war with Russia, I expect her to de-escalate for the same reason I expect Putin to de-escalate; they’re both rationally self-interested people who want to continue being alive and ruling their respective countries, and they value that more than any particular principle or any opportunity to prove their machismo.
Or an opportunity to carry out their prophecized role as the Trump Of God, and bring on the End Times? Will Hillary do that? No. That's why nobody has seen a cloud shaped like Hillary.
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Or an opportunity to carry out their prophecized role as the Trump Of God, and bring on the End Times? Will Hillary do that? No. That's why nobody has seen a cloud shaped like Hillary.
Of course, not. Hillary is more likely to be the Great Whore of Babylon.

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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-09-2016, 03:34 PM

I am SO sick of people comparing Trump to Hitler. These ignoramusses need to read the new Biography of Hitler, which is reviewed here. I dare you to find anything in common with Trump there. Read the review and you'll see that Hillary had more in common with Hitler. For example, they both have more facial hair than Trump.


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I am SO sick of people comparing Trump to Hitler. These ignoramusses need to read the new Biography of Hitler, which is reviewed here. I dare you to find anything in common with Trump there.
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How did Adolf Hitler — described by one eminent magazine editor in 1930 as a “half-insane rascal,” a “pathetic dunderhead,” a “nowhere fool,” a “big mouth” — rise to power in the land of Goethe and Beethoven? What persuaded millions of ordinary Germans to embrace him and his doctrine of hatred? How did this “most unlikely pretender to high state office” achieve absolute power in a once democratic country and set it on a course of monstrous horror?
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Other writers — including the dictator’s latest biographer, the historian Volker Ullrich — have focused on Hitler as a politician who rose to power through demagoguery, showmanship and nativist appeals to the masses.
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Hitler was often described as an egomaniac who “only loved himself” — a narcissist with a taste for self-dramatization and what Mr. Ullrich calls a “characteristic fondness for superlatives.” His manic speeches and penchant for taking all-or-nothing risks raised questions about his capacity for self-control, even his sanity. But Mr. Ullrich underscores Hitler’s shrewdness as a politician — with a “keen eye for the strengths and weaknesses of other people” and an ability to “instantaneously analyze and exploit situations.”
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Hitler was known, among colleagues, for a “bottomless mendacity” that would later be magnified by a slick propaganda machine that used the latest technology (radio, gramophone records, film) to spread his message. A former finance minister wrote that Hitler “was so thoroughly untruthful that he could no longer recognize the difference between lies and truth” and editors of one edition of “Mein Kampf” described it as a “swamp of lies, distortions, innuendoes, half-truths and real facts.”
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Hitler increasingly presented himself in messianic terms, promising “to lead Germany to a new era of national greatness,” though he was typically vague about his actual plans. He often harked back to a golden age for the country, Mr. Ullrich says, the better “to paint the present day in hues that were all the darker. Everywhere you looked now, there was only decline and decay.”
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Hitler’s repertoire of topics, Mr. Ullrich notes, was limited, and reading his speeches in retrospect, “it seems amazing that he attracted larger and larger audiences” with “repeated mantralike phrases” consisting largely of “accusations, vows of revenge and promises for the future.”
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Hitler’s ascension was aided and abetted by the naïveté of domestic adversaries who failed to appreciate his ruthlessness and tenacity, and by foreign statesmen who believed they could control his aggression.
That does not sound as The Donald () at all. Any of it. Absolutely definitively not at all.
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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-09-2016, 05:41 PM

Really, hasn't that whole Hitler thing been done to death? It was decades ago. And just what is the statute of limitations on deicide, by the way?

Why is the one thing some guy did 70 plus years ago so important, but people are happy to forget that Jesus was unjustly condemned over 2,000 years ago? Jesus was only telling the truth. He is God and He told people that and was crucified for His troubles.

Trump also tells the truth and people are up in arms. Why aren't people comparing him to Jesus? Why is it always Hitler?

People are all worried that Trump will bring in a new era of fascism. Jesus will bring in a new era of theocracy. Theocracy is good and fascism is really only bad when it doesn't serve to bring about the True™ theocracy of Jesus.

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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-13-2016, 10:15 PM

Trump can't be a dictator, because dictators are foreigners. There's nothing foreign about Trumps rougher edges, when he gets rowdy it's because he wants to bring back America's good old days:



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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-16-2016, 04:35 PM

More material for the leftists in your life: the Republicans have more in common with leftists than they do with Democrats:
I am mystified about how anyone but an adolescent with little understanding of the complexity of the world could believe in libertarianism, or for that matter any reductionist political creed that offers easy solutions to complex questions. I can understand why adolescents buy into libertarianism, or Marxism, or any number of philosophies that offer bold, straightforward solutions, but how can anyone a few years older who has spent time in the world and confronted its complexity and encountered its diversity retain any hope that there is a single Theory that has a universally applicable Answer will deliver the right results in all contexts and settings? The world is a mess. I’m not arguing for relativism here, but for an appreciation that the world is too complex for there to be any one-size-fits-all solution to its many problems. When I see grown-ups advocating for libertarianism, my main thought is that I wish that they would grow up and go learn how the world really works.

To my mind, libertarianism is the bizarro universe twin of Marxism, and just as silly. Whereas Marxists rejects the market and places unwarranted faith in the benevolence of the state, libertarians reject the state and place unwarranted faith in the benevolence of the market. Just as a state with no checks on its power will become autocratic, with its leaders pursuing their own narrow self-interests, so to will a market with no checks to its power lead to collusion and eventually monopoly. The market works extremely well in situations where the basic assumptions about complete information and so forth hold, but any deviation from those assumptions create opportunities for exploitation and concentration.

...In my view, a true conservative recognizes that the world is complex and there are no simple solutions for anything, so change should be incremental, cautious and above all, evidence-based. To me, the essence of conservatism should be an inductive approach to policy, according to which policy choices are shaped by experience of what works and doesn’t work in the real world, not an deductive approach in which policy is made by reasoning from first principles.
By this standard, self-styled conservatives in the 1990s, and probably earlier were no longer conservative. In the 1990s, Republicans were radical, not conservative. Their thinking was deductive, not inductive. Especially in the House, Republicans advocated views rooted in ideology, not experience or evidence. Some of these, most notably the mania for cutting taxes, were not justified by any empirical evidence, and indeed were contradicted by most available evidence. Rather than advocating cautious, incremental, evidence-based change, Republicans wanted to burn everything down and roll the dice on solutions. The primary standard for choosing a policy seemed to be that it felt right. To me, this wasn’t conservative, but radical. Intellectually, it is no different from the approach of Marxists and other leftists who chose policies by reasoning from first principles, appealing to laws of history, without any regard for whether any evidence suggested that the policies they advocated actually worked.
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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-17-2016, 10:22 PM

I found an article to turn liberals against Hillary. It talks about her whitebread upbringing, and there's lots of photos showing how pretty* she was. The photos alone will make all the feminists hate her.

No wonder she tried to cover all of this up! Thank the LORD for wikileaks and the KGB cyberwarfare troops bringing this into the open.


*Well, really she was more of a high-7 to a low-8, depending on your beer goggles. If she was miss teen USA I wouldn't bother inspecting the changeroom while she's in it.


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Default Re: Trump is not Mussolini, he's more like Lenin or Mao - 10-22-2016, 07:02 PM

None of these foreign leaders (Mao, Mussolini, Lenin, Putin, Hitler, Castro, Churchill, etc.) is perfect, but there are certainly a lot of things to admire in some of them.

Mussolini brought much-needed discipline, structure, cologne and fashion sense to his nation of lazy, garlic-drenched Catlic fornicators.

Drunken Winston Churchill had a way with words that helped to inspire his people to keep their chins up and maintain a stiff upper lip during withering bombing attacks by Hitler and the Germans.

Mao wanted to be the smartest man in his country, and he did it by 1.) requiring millions of people to read his thoughts from a little red book, and 2.) systematically killing the intellectuals or shipping them off to the countryside to pick rice.

Putin is a very strong leader (Big League!) that you have to admire for his brilliant campaign of rewarding friends, punishing enemies, poisoning complainers, hacking rivals, invading weakling neighbors, co-opting the media, and barechestedly riding horses into our hearts.

One name that doesn't get as much mention when discussing the world's greatest leaders of the 20th and 21st Centuries is Pol Pot. Mr. Pot borrowed ideas from Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, and created a nation where city folk were enticed to discover the pleasures of the pastoral countryside.



Mr. Pot was also a very handsome man, for a slant. He looks a little like a fatherly, Asian Gregory Peck in his 70s. Look at that beautiful, strokeable head of hair! Now THAT'S the kind of guy you want running your country, and building 40-foot walls made of human skulls, femurs and pelvises! I only hope Mr. Trump will observe the leadership qualities of these effective but flawed men and learn from their successes and failures.
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