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Default Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-04-2020, 05:37 AM

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Are you actually claiming that youtube videos are some kind of evidence. We know that literacy is waning in this generation, but this is really over-the-top. You do not really seem to realize that the "canon" of a TV show or a silly game is of absolutely no interest for us. The general issue of the harmful (spiritually devastating) nature of these games as determined by the scientific community or the Christian community is what interests us.
This is flabbergasting! Valve made the steam page and the same buch of people made the silly game called TF2. Basically, the're assessing their own product. How on God's Earth is that not biased?! And don't try us on the criterion of embarrassment - the exegetics tried that and failed.

You are a person with personal interest invested in this game. Your agreeing with the makers of this product may make it official within the "canon" of the game but once again, it remains anecdotal and now even more heavily biased. We do know that you've been seduced by these silly games and you lack any education on epistemology. Hitherto, that's been understandable but it won't be it any longer now that you've sneaked your way here. This is your chance to get an education. How do you test the Truth™ value of a proposition?


Next: Let us list the fallacies you make (we can continue this in the future).
  • Appeal to authority: both yours and of the unknown persons who made the game. An authority can be wrong. Their word does not count. Only actual peer-reviewed evidence does, and in this case peers do not mean others who play this silly game.
  • Cherry picking: using only sources that agree with you, for instance these videos that I would find both tedious and uninformative.
  • Confirmation bias: accepting only information that supports your preconceptions and ignoring all the thousands of posts in this thread.
It is most interesting that you find the makers of this game the most reliable source that outweighs actual research. Do you utilize this strategy in each and every case when you for instance buy stuff? "We made this car and say it's safe so let's not look at any statistics, This cream will make your face look young, because those who are getting all the money from it say so." A good epistemological toolbox is something that can be employed everywhere. People who simple accept things that they feel comfortable with are those who are little better than slaves of the advertising systems. Those are the people who can easily be manipulated.

I'll try to make it visual for easy understanding:
  • Videos as evidence
  • Those with emotional or financial interest (this "steam")as reliable authorities
  • Internal consistency within a "canon" ("official") as evidence
  • Personal anecdotes as evidence
  • Law (we follow it but do not necessarily think that it is good in all cases) as evidence for spiritual issues
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But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

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The youtube videos are people reading OFFICIAL COMICS. If you could understand that you are wrong for once in your life then you would figure this out.


They arent promoting their own content. They are saying that its not suitable for children. Its also not biased because its a legal requirement. It has a Mature rating. I told you this, but you said its not relevant.


Yes, it does count actually. And you say peer reviewed. That means the people that play this game. You are not my peers. You are crazy people.


The videos are not tedious or uninformative. They explain a story to a game with a vast amount of lore. But you refuse to use it since its youtube. So i dunno about that. And of course i use things that support my side. Im not gonna use your god awful stand point.


And im not gonna look at posts of genuine psychopaths that look too deep into angry birds for gods sake.


You do realize... We are talking about a video game... This is actual research in this scenario. Canon and game play applies here. We arent talking about cars or cream. Its a free game that actively says kids shouldn't play it


The law applies. You cant play it if its not in your age range. Her kid wasnt allowed to play the game. He did not ask for consent if he could play, but this mom blew it way out of proportion. He was having fun and suddenly she turns it into "Heavy and Medic are banging in the back room" You see what im saying?
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Default Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-04-2020, 05:42 AM

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Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


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I can get that second coming part, but you yawn at a man mourning his dead son? These people are crazy...
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Default Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-04-2020, 05:52 AM

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The youtube videos are people reading OFFICIAL COMICS. If you could understand that you are wrong for once in your life then you would figure this out.
As I told you, being official within an imaginary canon is not evidence for any wider discussion about the issue. Internal consistency does not mean a thing is objectively useful or even safe.
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They arent promoting their own content. They are saying that its not suitable for children. Its also not biased because its a legal requirement. It has a Mature rating. I told you this, but you said its not relevant.
We are not denying that his game is not suitable for children. We are saying that it is not suitable for anyone. That is where your bias comes into play.
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Yes, it does count actually. And you say peer reviewed. That means the people that play this game. You are not my peers. You are crazy people.
This is the equivocation fallacy. Peer-review in science does not mean that "your peers" would become experts when applying this silly game to its general effects on the population.
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The videos are not tedious or uninformative. They explain a story to a game with a vast amount of lore. But you refuse to use it since its youtube. So i dunno about that. And of course i use things that support my side. Im not gonna use your god awful stand point.
As we told you: the internal consistency or "canon" is not evidence when assessing the usefulness or harm of this game. It is nice that you now admit your bias, of using things that support your side. That excludes you from serious scholarship. Serious science also considers issues that would falsify one's hypothesis. In addition, you're now using poisoning of well fallacy of never even aiming to look at the evidence (the Bible) that your opposition provides.
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And im not gonna look at posts of genuine psychopaths that look too deep into angry birds for gods sake.
This is just an ad hominem fallacy, an appeal to person. Being distasteful or in your opinion insane is irrelevant to the actual evidence material. We're assessing that and if you wish to engage in civilized conversation, you should do that, as well.

Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
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You do realize... We are talking about a video game... This is actual research in this scenario. Canon and game play applies here. We arent talking about cars or cream. Its a free game that actively says kids shouldn't play it
In which manner is "canon" actual research? What are its hypotheses? How do they test anything and send it out for objective assessment?
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The law applies. You cant play it if its not in your age range. Her kid wasnt allowed to play the game. He did not ask for consent if he could play, but this mom blew it way out of proportion. He was having fun and suddenly she turns it into "Heavy and Medic are banging in the back room" You see what im saying?
Are all things that are allowed according to laws useful, healthy, absolutely not harmful in any manner? Can you find any examples of the contrary (that would be an exercise in alternative hypotheses)? For "having fun" please consult Luke 14:26.


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Default Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-04-2020, 05:55 AM

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I can get that second coming part, but you yawn at a man mourning his dead son? These people are crazy...
You know that this is just another fallacious ad hominem argument, don't you?

Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.


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Default Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-04-2020, 06:45 PM

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The youtube videos are people reading OFFICIAL COMICS. If you could understand that you are wrong for once in your life then you would figure this out.


They arent promoting their own content. They are saying that its not suitable for children. Its also not biased because its a legal requirement. It has a Mature rating. I told you this, but you said its not relevant.


Yes, it does count actually. And you say peer reviewed. That means the people that play this game. You are not my peers. You are crazy people.


The videos are not tedious or uninformative. They explain a story to a game with a vast amount of lore. But you refuse to use it since its youtube. So i dunno about that. And of course i use things that support my side. Im not gonna use your god awful stand point.


And im not gonna look at posts of genuine psychopaths that look too deep into angry birds for gods sake.


You do realize... We are talking about a video game... This is actual research in this scenario. Canon and game play applies here. We arent talking about cars or cream. Its a free game that actively says kids shouldn't play it


The law applies. You cant play it if its not in your age range. Her kid wasnt allowed to play the game. He did not ask for consent if he could play, but this mom blew it way out of proportion. He was having fun and suddenly she turns it into "Heavy and Medic are banging in the back room" You see what im saying?
I do understand what you are saying but you don't seem to understand that you seem to be a case of arrested development. If you could come to that understanding it would be a first step for your return to normalcy. I am certain that there was a time when you engaged in childish things because you were a child and that is good. However, there is a time to put away childish pursuits and grow into an adult. There are many who never do and that is why these devilish video games are available for their use.

My advice is to try to stay off the games for a few days and see if that will help. You may find that Jesus will come into your life and save you. Of course, we here will be happy to attempt to save you by offering good advice and guidance.

It's that or Hell, friend. Don't go there; it's too hot.

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Rebuke Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! - 10-06-2020, 12:18 AM

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Cause GTA 5, a game about murder, corruption, and theft is meant to be for children. Its not some random rating, you cant buy it if you arent old enough. You need consent from a parent or guardian to own it if you do not meet the criteria. The steam page says "This content may not be suitable for younger audiences, Do you wish to proceed?" It even says, its not suitable for young children. Its not a kids game, and by that logic, h games are for kids, which they arent.
Son, only a perverted deviant plays unChristian video games. You all start off the Mario brothers (raping little girls) then Angry Birds (and not eating your kill) and migrating to stealing cars. When does it end son? Sodomy with statues?
Every time you masturbate to one of these 'so-called' games, thousands of babies die, crusty deaths and tiny voices never heard.


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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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