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Question Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 07:56 AM

Sometimes, during the course of witnessing to the unsaved, I am maliciously and stupidly asked, "Why is God so angry all the time? I thought 'God is love,' but what you are telling me sounds like an angry God that smites any and every thing that moves!"

So, I implore them, and those here who are not studied in God's Word to consider the following:

God is perfect and absolutely righteous. He has never sinned, and by His very nature He cannot sin. Sin is absolutely abhorrent to Him, to such a degree that we as mere mortals born into sin truly cannot comprehend. Our Pastors here come the closest to comprehending this of any people alive. What a terrible burden for them to bear and how mighty they must be to endure it.

Consider something truly abhorrent to yourself, such as raw sewage. One tiny droplet of it in your beverage would be intolerable, right? You would angrily demand it be taken from your sight, as your stomach churned at the thought of being forced to ingest or even smell it.

We are each and every one of us born stinking and festering like raw sewage under the nose of our Perfect God. It is the very nature of humanity to offend God by our very existence, carrying the sin transmuted to us by Adam and Eve. How many drops of filthy sewage are born into God's world every second? More than 4 per second according to the latest estimates. How would you feel if no matter how often you refreshed your befouled drink, 4 new drops of raw sewage per second kept pouring in? After a few minutes, you'd be pretty frustrated and angry, right? Well imagine this going on for more than 6,000 years, and at an exponential rate all the time. That right there would be enough to make me smite everything in sight, but then I am only a man. Would that make you angry, friend?

Now, consider how you would feel if you had to witness a fragile young boy being approached by a malevolent slobbering priest, claiming to work in your name, with only the perverted lust of anal rape on his mind. You cannot help but to watch as the priest seductively grooms and then expertly assaults the boy. Not only that, but you are in the mind of the priest AND the boy at the same time. I get quite a rise just thinking about it.

Now imagine also, at the same time, you are experiencing millions upon millions of other cases of foul hairy pedophiles all around the world preying upon small helpless children, defiling their smooth young flesh. You are in the minds of each and every predator and prey. You feel every rectal tear, feel every unholy lustful thought, feel all the humiliation of being brutally sodomized. It is an incessant cacophony of unimaginable magnitude. Would that make you angry, friend?

Now, add to this all the acts of the flaming homosexuals, the fornicators, the bestial bronies, the serial killers, the Wiccans, the democrats, the arrogant atheists, the coked-up celebrities, theoretical physicists, etc., and all of the more than 7 billion abominations around the world, all simultaneous mocking you, spitting on you, hating you, choosing to follow your enemy, Satan. Would this make you angry, friend?

You experience every evil thought, every insult to your name, every crime against your perfect nature. You lovingly created a perfect world, and now it is filled with raw sewage spewing inexorably forth from all corners and crevices. You sacrificed your Son to a brutal temporary death as a means to wash away the foul stench of sin, and yet most wickedly and defiantly refuse to be cleansed, ungratefully choosing rather to remain filthy, choosing to force you to send them to hell instead against your loving wishes. Would that make you angry, friend?

If you answered yes to any of the above, now consider that you as a person can only be finitely offended, but God is infinitely offended by each and every single sin. How many sins has God been forced to endure since the beginning of time? Only God knows, and He knows the exact number and remembers each and every one in flawless detail.

So, I put to you, rather than foolishly ask why is God so angry, the true question is how can God NOT be angry enough to simply smite each and every non-True Christian™ alive right here and now and send them straightaway to the hell they so richly deserve and so stupidly and defiantly choose, rather than benevolently tolerating such monumental abuse in the name of mercy to give disgusting pieces of sewage the chance to be cleansed. That God would suffer so much abuse bellows resoundingly of the fact that He truly is a loving God. Would you, could you, my friend, show such compassion?

God is being tormented non-stop, friends. He is suffering such abuse that staggers the mind and imagination beyond mortal understanding. And the mockers and haters dare to come here and ask why we rebuke them when they are so willfully and gleefully tormenting our Heavenly Father who gave His Son for us to wash the sin from our filthy souls.

The question "Why is God so angry?" is a very stupid and evil question to be asked by those who are tormenting our Loving Creator who gives life to us all. It is in fact the most ignorant and malicious question that can be ever be asked. Does this question make you angry, Brothers and Sisters? It tears at my soul every time I hear it.

Sinners subject God to infinite torment, so is it any wonder that true and perfect Godly justice calls for an eternal hell and infinite torment? How could it not, indeed, how could hell not be so necessary. Answer me this, those of you who so cruelly torture God. I'm listening.




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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 08:46 AM

Congratulations Dr Snyde.
One of the most lucid and logical posts I've seen in this forum.
God is truly patient. One ponders why he hasn't smote the whole earth and all its sinners - in the process sacrificing the few True Christians ™. He must just love those few True Christians ™ too much.
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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 01:02 PM

I never thought of it that way Dr Synde.

So our Beloved Lord, being Omniscient, must experience every sin imaginable ,even though He's blameless! He sees and feels every rape from both ends, He has vicariously murdered, raped, beat up, robbed, starved and even Canibalized!

He knows what it's like to do all these things. They're in His memory, just as real, or even more real, than our own memories are to us.

I wonder also if He experiences the suffering of the billions in Hell? Can he, (does He continually?), suffer their eternal flaming torments? Is God right now, in essense, being raped in every orfice by Satan and his demons? I think He would have to be, being omniscient.

Even with all this on His plate, He'll still have time for us when we get to heavan. I cant wait to sit at His feet, gays into His loving eyes, and talk to Him about the symbology of the butterfly and ressurection, and praise Him for making the amazing banana to be just perfect for our hands.

It's a good thing He's God, or else He would go stark raving mad from the the things He has to put up with.


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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 01:53 PM

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Sometimes, during the course of witnessing to the unsaved, I am maliciously and stupidly asked, "Why is God so angry all the time? I thought 'God is love,' but what you are telling me sounds like an angry God that smites any and every thing that moves!"

So, I implore them, and those here who are not studied in God's Word to consider the following:

God is perfect and absolutely righteous. He has never sinned, and by His very nature He cannot sin. Sin is absolutely abhorrent to Him, to such a degree that we as mere mortals born into sin truly cannot comprehend. Our Pastors here come the closest to comprehending this of any people alive. What a terrible burden for them to bear and how mighty they must be to endure it.

Consider something truly abhorrent to yourself, such as raw sewage. One tiny droplet of it in your beverage would be intolerable, right? You would angrily demand it be taken from your sight, as your stomach churned at the thought of being forced to ingest or even smell it.

We are each and every one of us born stinking and festering like raw sewage under the nose of our Perfect God. It is the very nature of humanity to offend God by our very existence, carrying the sin transmuted to us by Adam and Eve. How many drops of filthy sewage are born into God's world every second? More than 4 per second according to the latest estimates. How would you feel if no matter how often you refreshed your befouled drink, 4 new drops of raw sewage per second kept pouring in? After a few minutes, you'd be pretty frustrated and angry, right? Well imagine this going on for more than 6,000 years, and at an exponential rate all the time. That right there would be enough to make me smite everything in sight, but then I am only a man. Would that make you angry, friend?

Now, consider how you would feel if you had to witness a fragile young boy being approached by a malevolent slobbering priest, claiming to work in your name, with only the perverted lust of anal rape on his mind. You cannot help but to watch as the priest seductively grooms and then expertly assaults the boy. Not only that, but you are in the mind of the priest AND the boy at the same time. I get quite a rise just thinking about it.

Now imagine also, at the same time, you are experiencing millions upon millions of other cases of foul hairy pedophiles all around the world preying upon small helpless children, defiling their smooth young flesh. You are in the minds of each and every predator and prey. You feel every rectal tear, feel every unholy lustful thought, feel all the humiliation of being brutally sodomized. It is an incessant cacophony of unimaginable magnitude. Would that make you angry, friend?

Now, add to this all the acts of the flaming homosexuals, the fornicators, the bestial bronies, the serial killers, the Wiccans, the democrats, the arrogant atheists, the coked-up celebrities, theoretical physicists, etc., and all of the more than 7 billion abominations around the world, all simultaneous mocking you, spitting on you, hating you, choosing to follow your enemy, Satan. Would this make you angry, friend?

You experience every evil thought, every insult to your name, every crime against your perfect nature. You lovingly created a perfect world, and now it is filled with raw sewage spewing inexorably forth from all corners and crevices. You sacrificed your Son to a brutal temporary death as a means to wash away the foul stench of sin, and yet most wickedly and defiantly refuse to be cleansed, ungratefully choosing rather to remain filthy, choosing to force you to send them to hell instead against your loving wishes. Would that make you angry, friend?

If you answered yes to any of the above, now consider that you as a person can only be finitely offended, but God is infinitely offended by each and every single sin. How many sins has God been forced to endure since the beginning of time? Only God knows, and He knows the exact number and remembers each and every one in flawless detail.

So, I put to you, rather than foolishly ask why is God so angry, the true question is how can God NOT be angry enough to simply smite each and every non-True Christian™ alive right here and now and send them straightaway to the hell they so richly deserve and so stupidly and defiantly choose, rather than benevolently tolerating such monumental abuse in the name of mercy to give disgusting pieces of sewage the chance to be cleansed. That God would suffer so much abuse bellows resoundingly of the fact that He truly is a loving God. Would you, could you, my friend, show such compassion?

God is being tormented non-stop, friends. He is suffering such abuse that staggers the mind and imagination beyond mortal understanding. And the mockers and haters dare to come here and ask why we rebuke them when they are so willfully and gleefully tormenting our Heavenly Father who gave His Son for us to wash the sin from our filthy souls.

The question "Why is God so angry?" is a very stupid and evil question to be asked by those who are tormenting our Loving Creator who gives life to us all. It is in fact the most ignorant and malicious question that can be ever be asked. Does this question make you angry, Brothers and Sisters? It tears at my soul every time I hear it.

Sinners subject God to infinite torment, so is it any wonder that true and perfect Godly justice calls for an eternal hell and infinite torment? How could it not, indeed, how could hell not be so necessary. Answer me this, those of you who so cruelly torture God. I'm listening.
Have you ever asked yourself Mark why and how your god could stand by and watch as children are raped and cannibalized and 'raw sewage' as you put it gets spewed everywhere? Why doesn't god get involved and stop it? He could do it in a single thought. Did you ever think that just maybe there is nobody up there? Maybe no god exists???


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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 02:17 PM

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Maybe no god exists???
What a silly thought! Of course, God is so powerful He could also make Himself not exist for a little while (think about it!).

Clever thinking there Friend!

However, a much simpler answer can be found in the Bible:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

He creates evil. Simples. He is great like that. GLORY!

Doesn't mean He has to like it though.


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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 05:28 PM

Sometimes we have trolls come on here denying the existence of God. They must go through their entire lives with their eyes closed.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 05:46 PM

The raw sewage analogy is an excellent one, Dr Snyde, enabling us to understand God's infinite patience and tolerance.

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God is being tormented non-stop, friends. He is suffering such abuse that staggers the mind and imagination beyond mortal understanding.
The nearest we can get to understanding this is when we ourselves are persecuted by atheists, gays and lesbos, Catlicks and other such idol-worshippers. This persecution can take place in real life, or on the pages of this Godly forum, where these people come for the sole purpose of disrupting our devotions.

I take much comfort from knowing that the trusty shield of faith protects our congregation.

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Have you ever asked yourself Mark why and how your god could stand by and watch as children are raped and cannibalized and 'raw sewage' as you put it gets spewed everywhere? Why doesn't god get involved and stop it? He could do it in a single thought. Did you ever think that just maybe there is nobody up there? Maybe no god exists???
God gave the angels and man free will, friend. What purpose would be served to be compulsorily worshiped?

How could the universe and everything in it exist without God to create it?

Why do you continue to torment God, friend? Have you no mercy for God who gives you life? Please don't force Him to damn you to eternal torment. He doesn't want to, but you leave Him no choice. What an awful predicament into which you place God. You are a monster.




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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 09:16 PM

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I wonder also if He experiences the suffering of the billions in Hell? Can he, (does He continually?), suffer their eternal flaming torments? Is God right now, in essense, being raped in every orfice by Satan and his demons? I think He would have to be, being omniscient...
That is an excellent question, Brother.

I feel that God is mercifully protected from the experiences of those in hell, given this verse:

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Matthew 25:41 (1611 King James Bible)

Then shall he say also vnto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into euerlasting fire, prepared for the deuill and his angels.
When He says "Depart from me," I feel this departure is complete. Once the horrible tormentor of God is cast into hell, God no longer has to suffer their thoughts from that point forward.

God and the sinner are forever separated.

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2 Thessalonians 1:9 (1611 King James Bible)

Who shalbe punished with euerlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power:
Once all the sinners are in hell, then God will finally suffer no more. Hallelujah!




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And he made a moulten Sea, ten cubites from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, & his height was fiue cubits: and a line of thirtie cubites did compasse it round about.

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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-02-2014, 11:28 PM

Amen, Dr. Mark!

As the Holy Word reminds us quite often, God is angry with sin and sinners quite often!

Isaiah 5:25
Therefore is the anger of the Lord kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-08-2014, 10:37 AM

How are you sure that God is perfect? There is no place in the bible where that is explicitly stated, even though there are plenty of times where it's stated that he is powerful/merciful/good. Maybe he's just flawed and angry.
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How are you sure that God is perfect? There is no place in the bible where that is explicitly stated, even though there are plenty of times where it's stated that he is powerful/merciful/good. Maybe he's just flawed and angry.
Got Matthew 5:48?


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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-08-2014, 10:51 AM

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Got Matthew 5:48?
Isn't that verse kind of a contradiction, since obviously becoming as perfect as God is impossible. That's why I think we shouldn't use this verse for reference.
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Isn't that verse kind of a contradiction, since obviously becoming as perfect as God is impossible. That's why I think we shouldn't use this verse for reference.
You can't pick and choose which Bible verses you want to follow.

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Default Re: Why, you ask, is God so angry? - 01-08-2014, 11:11 AM

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You can't pick and choose which Bible verses you want to follow.

Second request for an intro thread, and I deleted your other accounts.

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Well then how do you interpret this verse? I'm not saying we have to ignore parts, but sometimes you have to treat certain verses with creativity. Like Leviticus 19:19. And whatever, I'll make an intro thread. Also, what other accounts do you mean?
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Well then how do you interpret this verse? I'm not saying we have to ignore parts, but sometimes you have to treat certain verses with creativity. Like Leviticus 19:19. And whatever, I'll make an intro thread. Also, what other accounts do you mean?
1. I don't interpret Scripture (2 Peter 1:20).

2. If Jesus says you can't get in to Heaven for wearing mixed fabrics, I agree with Him. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

3. I made an intro thread for you.

4. Don't be an idiot.

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Well then how do you interpret this verse?
Interpret verses?!? What are you talking about? Our God gave us all we need to know, written clearly so that there is NO interpreting.

Are you really going to come here and try to tell us that God's inerrant Word is not completely without contradiction or that His meaning isn't obvious to those who would open their eyes and hearts? You may be doing it wrong, friend.

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I'm not saying we have to ignore parts, but sometimes you have to treat certain verses with creativity.
Blasphemy! I can take one look at you, buddy, and tell that what you are trying to call "creativity" actually reads: "I'm scared to acknowledge that God loves me and knows best." Just admit that this is what you are saying.


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Like Leviticus 19:19. And whatever, I'll make an intro thread. Also, what other accounts do you mean?
What part of "Ye shall keep my statutes" is ambiguous? God didn't create the Earth and Man 6,000 years ago so that one day you would come along to edit His masterpiece. Duh!

Sorry about the "Duh!" but when someone tries to undermine my God, I get upset, ok. Interpret that!

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So, I put to you, rather than foolishly ask why is God so angry, the true question is how can God NOT be angry enough to simply smite each and every non-True Christian™ alive right here and now and send them straightaway to the hell they so richly deserve and so stupidly and defiantly choose, rather than benevolently tolerating such monumental abuse in the name of mercy to give disgusting pieces of sewage the chance to be cleansed. That God would suffer so much abuse bellows resoundingly of the fact that He truly is a loving God. Would you, could you, my friend, show such compassion?
That same question tormented me in my youthful years, but many hours with the KJV have made it plain.

Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

As there is surely a rainbow somewhere on earth at any given moment HE stays HIS hand, not because of compassion for the worthless sinners but for the promise to the just.

And as surely as JESUS saved us from our sins with his temporary death and prompt resurrection, GOD holds his rightful rage for the promise to the saved FEW.

PRAISE THE LORD!

For he is LORD of hosts, and HIS mighty arm and army are but waiting
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