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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 07:51 PM

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Sure Lee surrendered, but that was just to prevent further deaths on both sides and to end the war Lincoln was waging against America.
I heard that Lee didn't really surrender. That no-good sneaky Grant stole Lee's sword, and Lee was too much of a gentleman to ask for it back.


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 07:54 PM

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Actually, the North won both in numerical terms and in its ability to wage war. Sherman's march was the guillotine that rendered a majority of the South unable to competently wage war. Don't you remember the South's dwindling numbers toward the last year of the war? How much of their fighting force was young men and old men, because a vast majority of men of capable fighting age had already been killed? Sure, the South had a few wins here and their, but overall the North won more battles, inflicted more casualties, and had better field officers toward the end of the war. Their are countless examples in battles that showed the inexperience of the southern soldiers. Their were both ill-equipped compared to the Union and underpaid because the North had the majority of industrial factories.
That was only because the South turned their back on Jesus when they allied themselves with the Cherokee Indians. The South trusted in the Lord and not validating those wagon burning Hammite cousins who pre-stole Christian legacy lands. The South sin doesn't make the North right.



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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 07:54 PM

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Under which clause of the constitution?
The ideology of preserving the United States as a single entity unified in all aspects presents a pretty clear decision to keep America a democracy.

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I think that quote explains the correct viewpoint enslaving other humans. Slavery is morally unacceptable, it will never be re-instituted, regardless of what any Bible says.
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The ideology of preserving the United States as a single entity unified in all aspects presents a pretty clear decision to keep America a democracy.
You didn't answer the question. I said, which clause of the constitution gave Lincoln the right to wage a war of aggression against the south?

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I think that quote explains the correct viewpoint enslaving other humans. Slavery is morally unacceptable, it will never be re-instituted, regardless of what any Bible says.
Who said anything about bigotry? Slavery and bigotry are completely different things. And since when do the musings of a Hellbound Deist count as scripture?

You can't cite scripture that condemns slavery, because slavery is acceptable to God.

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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:04 PM

Holy Jesus.
The South won more battles and killed more enemy combatants.
Look up
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Fredricksburg
Chancellorsville
Antietam
2nd Manassas
Stones River
Shiloh
All CSA victories in terms of death counts.

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Union death total=389,753
CS death total=289,000
Union total casualties=664,928
CS total casualties=483,026

Keep in mind I come from NC, the HEROS of the Confederacy and the home of the 26th which is widely accepted as the hardest fighters on either side.


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Sinner, you need to read those history books you used to roll dope on back in highschool.
The problem is, if he went to public school, his high school history book is probably where he's getting this nonsense.

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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:12 PM

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You didn't answer the question. I said, which clause of the constitution gave Lincoln the right to wage a war of aggression against the south?
He didn't really have a choice. In order to preserve the Union as we see it today, the South had to be brought back under control.


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Who said anything about bigotry? Slavery and bigotry are completely different things. And since when do the musings of a Hellbound Deist count as scripture?

You can't cite scripture that condemns slavery, because slavery is acceptable to God.

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What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it. Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal? How can this Church claim to love America and claim it's a Godly Nation when the Bible disagrees with most of what America stands for? If anything, Lincoln wished to avoid war with the south, as he cited in his inaugural speech.
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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:15 PM

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Holy Jesus.
The South won more battles and killed more enemy combatants.
Look up
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Fredricksburg
Chancellorsville
Antietam
2nd Manassas
Stones River
Shiloh
All CSA victories in terms of death counts.

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CS death total=289,000
Union total casualties=664,928
CS total casualties=483,026

Keep in mind I come from NC, the retards of the Confederacy and the home of the 26th which is widely accepted as the hardest fighters on either side.


Sinner, you need to read those history books you used to roll dope on back in highschool.
Then how did the south lose the war? Oh, that's right, because they didn't have the ability to fight anymore. Even if the south won more battles, the North won more decisive victories. That's all it takes in war.
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He didn't really have a choice. In order to preserve the Union as we see it today, the South had to be brought back under control.
Thank you for admitting that Lincoln had no legal basis for waging war against the south.

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What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it.
That's just your opinion. I believe otherwise, and my beliefs come straight from the Word of God himself.

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Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal?
All men are created equal. It doesn't mean they necessarily have to end up that way. That would be socialism, to try to force equal outcomes despite unequal effort.

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How can this Church claim to love America and claim it's a Godly Nation when the Bible disagrees with most of what America stands for?
America has lost its way a bit, but we conservative Christians have been slowly bringing America back to the Bible over the last 20 years, one law or one Supreme Court case at a time. Praise Jesus!

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If anything, Lincoln wished to avoid war with the south, as he cited in his inaugural speech.
If that's the case, he had a really easy way to do so. All he had to do to avoid war with the south was to NOT START the war.

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Then how did the south lose the war?
Marshall already answered that. Please pay attention.

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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:35 PM

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Thank you for admitting that Lincoln had no legal basis for waging war against the south.
Thank you for ignoring the ability to have an intelligent reply.


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That's just your opinion. I believe otherwise, and my beliefs come straight from the Word of God himself.
That's not an opinion, that's a fact. The ideal society is one of racial equality of all people. The color of a man's skin doesn't define his conscious.


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All men are created equal. It doesn't mean they necessarily have to end up that way. That would be socialism, to try to force equal outcomes despite unequal effort.
I agree with the statement, but not what it implies.


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America has lost its way a bit, but we conservative Christians have been slowly bringing America back to the Bible over the last 20 years, one law or one Supreme Court case at a time. Praise Jesus!
Thankfully, I agree.


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If that's the case, he had a really easy way to do so. All he had to do to avoid war with the south was to NOT START the war.


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:37 PM

Look kid, I didn't want to start a thread about the War of Northern Aggression and why it was Lincolns fault. I just wanted to point out Lincoln was more than just a top hat and a mole. He was also a bloody pillowcase and an interrupted play.


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:39 PM

Go ahead and explain how my numerical facts are illogical?
Go ahead and explain where Lincoln had precedent for inciting the greatest loss of American life in the history of the planet.

The man was insane, FACT.
He started a war with Americans, FACT.
He was sent to Hell for being a what? Tyrant. FACT.


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 08:55 PM

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Go ahead and explain how my numerical facts are illogical?
Ok, this'll be easy. The North was more decisive battles, that is, battles that were "turning points" in the war than the south did. See Gettysburg. These decisive victories damged the moral of the Southern soldiers. They saw what men ( or boys ) made up their front lines, they saw their lack of supplies. The North won, get over it.


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Go ahead and explain where Lincoln had precedent for inciting the greatest loss of American life in the history of the planet.
Do you really want to live in a continent that sports two "Americas"? because that's where we would be now if he just let the south secede.

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The man was insane, FACT.
Sorry, but that's your opinion.

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He started a war with Americans, FACT.
He didn't start a war with Americans, he started a war with a coalition of rebels.

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He was sent to Hell for being a what? Tyrant. FACT.
And you know this as fact, how? Did you go up and ask God?
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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 09:18 PM

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Ok, this'll be easy. The North was more decisive battles, that is, battles that were "turning points" in the war than the south did. See Gettysburg. These decisive victories damged the moral of the Southern soldiers. They saw what men ( or boys ) made up their front lines, they saw their lack of supplies. The North won, get over it.
Lies. Antietam, Wilderness Fredricksburg, Shiloh...I guess those mean nothing to a Lincoln supporter like yourself.



Do you really want to live in a continent that sports two "Americas"? because that's where we would be now if he just let the south secede.
You mean like having THREE nations on one continent like Mexico, America and Canada? You're simply wrong.




Sorry, but that's your opinion.
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He didn't start a war with Americans, he started a war with a coalition of rebels.
A legally formed nation with it's own Constitution, government, currency, army, navy and infrastructure. Lincoln wasn't much of a President if for nothing else than allowing all that to form under his huge mole unopposed. What a loser.


And you know this as fact, how? Did you go up and ask God?
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It's called HISTORY. You should read it sometime.


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-10-2008, 09:20 PM

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It's called HISTORY. You should read it sometime.
You can't argue with a zealot. I should have realized that before getting into this.
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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-11-2008, 12:38 AM

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Thank you for ignoring the ability to have an intelligent reply.
I asked what clause of the constitution gave Lincoln the legal right to invade the south? Your answer to that question was "he had no choice". Therefore, he had no legal right to invade the south, but he did so anyway, illegally.

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That's not an opinion, that's a fact. The ideal society is one of racial equality of all people. The color of a man's skin doesn't define his conscious.
What does race have to do with this discussion? I asked that the first time you brought up race and you rudely ignored my question.

You probably didn't learn this in your public schools, but free southern blacks fought on the side of the Confederacy. Your pathetic attempts to make this discussion about race are nothing more than attempt to derail the thread because you lost the argument two pages ago.

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I agree with the statement, but not what it implies.
Sounds like you have a problem with reality, then.

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Thankfully, I agree.
Well hallelujah! Which Bible-based law are you most eager to see put back on the books?

My favorite is II Chronicles 15:13, That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.



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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-11-2008, 12:51 AM

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Well hallelujah! Which Bible-based law are you most eager to see put back on the books?

My favorite is II Chronicles 15:13, That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.



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Well, before Ezekial probably bans me, I can tell you what I would hate to see the libtards take out of our schools. And that's the words "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. I beleive that all the kids should have to stand every morning when it is read. The goth kids should have to say it twice along with some scripture.

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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 05-11-2008, 10:51 AM

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How much of their fighting force was young men and old men?
I'd guess probably around 100% of their fighting force was young men and old men. Would you prefer it if they were women?
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The ideology of preserving the United States as a single entity unified in all aspects presents a pretty clear decision to keep America a democracy.
So you think that to preserve democracy, you have to remove people's right to decide how they want to be governed?

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You think that Jefferson was God?
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I think that quote explains the correct viewpoint enslaving other humans. Slavery is morally unacceptable, it will never be re-instituted, regardless of what any Bible says.
Slavery still exists. The only difference is that now, thanks to the Socialist Lincoln, decent hardworking businessmen like H. Montague Worthington have to pay the extra costs to ship goods over from China, while the vast majority of American negroes sit around unemployed and bone-idle.
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What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it. Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal?
The Constitution also states that darkies count as 3/5 of people. Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3.
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He didn't start a war with Americans, he started a war with a coalition of rebels.
So if people do things you don't like, that means they cease to be Americans?


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He didn't really have a choice. In order to preserve the Union as we see it today, the South had to be brought back under control.




What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it. Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal? How can this Church claim to love America and claim it's a Godly Nation when the Bible disagrees with most of what America stands for? If anything, Lincoln wished to avoid war with the south, as he cited in his inaugural speech.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Did you ever read Lincoln's speech after being elected?

Where was the first shot of the Civil War fired and why?


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Default Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US? - 08-22-2009, 10:05 PM

I would say Franklin Roosevelt, who started all the "Big-government" programs in the '30's, commonly known as "The new Deal/Shmeal", but unfortunately he is not an option on your poll. Now, his close friend Barack Obama, the antichrist (they met in hell) is reviving the satanic socialist programs. Please hurry back, Jesus.
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