[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by t.daniels14

Oh and by the way I don't appreciate my tag that says "unsaved trash" I was born again by accepting Jesus into my life. so you can kindly remove that please.

You didn't read the noobs thread which is why you are asking all these ridiculous questiosn we've answered countless times.

[Citizen of Earth]

Now this confuses me.

Under what point of view can the entirety of science, the conquest of trying to better understand God's great creation, be regarded as something bad or evil?
After all science and all its achievements help us at doing God's work.
"Subdue the World", the Lord said and so we do.
And Science is the tool we use for this.


Unrelated:
Another thing I'd like to ask is, assuming the world is flat how come one can see further from higher ground?
If the world is flat, as you claim, then whether you are standing on ground level or on the top of a mountain shouldn't make a difference on how far you see.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Under what point of view can the entirety of science, the conquest of trying to better understand God's great creation, be regarded as something bad or evil?

Where did you get that idea? There is nothing wrong with science. Science brought us the atomic bomb and the drones which America uses to kill unbelievers all over the world. The only thing that is wrong is pseudo science like evolution and gravity that directly contradicts the Holy Bible.

Another thing I'd like to ask is, assuming the world is flat how come one can see further from higher ground? If the world is flat, as you claim, then whether you are standing on ground level or on the top of a mountain shouldn't make a difference on how far you see.

If you are low your view is blocked by obstacles, the higher you get the less obstacles block your view and the more you can see.

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Now this confuses me.
After all science and all its achievements help us at doing God's work.
"Subdue the World", the Lord said and so we do.

This was God's specific instruction to Adam and Eve,

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Since you quote it I take it that like us you accept His six day Creation and reject the silly notions of evolution or an old Earth?

YIC

Jack

[Citizen of Earth]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Where did you get that idea? There is nothing wrong with science. Science brought us the atomic bomb and the drones which America uses to kill unbelievers all over the world. The only thing that is wrong is pseudo science like evolution and gravity that directly contradicts the Holy Bible.

Well, I thought "ALL SCIENCE IS EVIL, AND FROM SATAN!" was pretty explicit.. anyway, let me first point out that when it comes to drawing a line between 'good' and 'bad' science, obviously that's a topic where we differ.

And gravely so.

As I see it, trying to understand and learn from the Lord's creation, precisely stuff like how gravity works, is the most noble form of the pursuit of wisdom.
Just think about how much is dependant from knowing in what way the forces working between two masses are influenced by factors like velocity or distance. Disciplines like archtecture or aviation on their present scale need this sort of knowledge.

Next, believer or not, life is God's greatest gift. By giving it to you the Lord declared you worthy of it and no man has the right to hamper with his decision of giving it, much less does anyone but the Lord himself have the right take it away.

Now, (ab)using what we learned from God's creation to invent something with the sole purpose of committing the hideous crime towards God that the non-natural ending of a human life is does not look like 'good' science to me, it strikes as nothing but a blatant betrayal.
And eventually even this application of science reqiures understanding before realization, or do you think the atomic bomb would have been possible without people figuring out how to perform nuclear fission?

Although I respect personal opinions especially when it comes to religious topics I must say that I'm pretty shocked to learn that you, as what seems to be a reputable member of ths community, think the pursuit of knowledge is something a good christian shouldn't spend his time on while regarding individual men acquiring the power to wipe out millions of lives by simply pushing one button as a move in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

If you are low your view is blocked by obstacles, the higher you get the less obstacles block your view and the more you can see.

The point is that this applies regadless of obstacles.

Take lighthouses for example.
No obstacles are in the way; how come the signal of a higher lighthouse can be seen over a longer distance than an equally bright signal on a less high lighthouse?

Another way of telling the earth's definite shape is watching the moon at night, or more specificly, the shadow earth casts on the moon:
Although the angles of the sun and moon keep varying the shape of earth's shadow remains a circle.
This is only possible if earth's shape is spherical.

Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan

This was God's specific instruction to Adam and Eve,

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

I'm not quite aware of the contradiction in this, how does trying to figure out how the world works hinder whatever you understand as 'replenishing' it?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Although I respect personal opinions especially when it comes to religious topics I must say that I'm pretty shocked to learn that you, as what seems to be a reputable member of ths community, think the pursuit of knowledge is something a good christian shouldn't spend his time on...

Let's take this in two stages.

1. What have personal opinions got to do with religion?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Ecclesiastes 10:3 Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that he is a fool.

2. We are commanded by God to avoid seeking knowledge. Take it up with God.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Job 11:7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Psalm 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

Psalm 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.

Jeremiah 45:5 And seekest thou great things for thyself? seek them not: for, behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: but thy life will I give unto thee for a prey in all places whither thou goest.

So you see, we were warned about people like you full of your own importance and not to seek the wrong sort of knowledge and to try to guess how God did things. So why do you think we're going to listen to you? You certainly seem like one of those scoffers: a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Well, I thought "ALL SCIENCE IS EVIL, AND FROM SATAN!" was pretty explicit.. anyway, let me first point out that when it comes to drawing a line between 'good' and 'bad' science, obviously that's a topic where we differ.

And gravely so.

Well that's a shame, and a grave mistake you're making. You would do well to put aside your prideful ways and accept the Truth© instead (Psalm 111:10).

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

trying to understand and learn from the Lord's creation, precisely stuff like how gravity works, is the most noble form of the pursuit of wisdom.

This is a terrible lie you've been told. The most noble form of the pursuit of wisdom is to know God's Will through studying God's Word.

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated,
full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
James 3:17

Nothing else matters. In the long run, when you consider eternity, it matters not if you learn the details of gravity, but it does matter if you learn about Christ Jesus. One is born in a state of sin, condemned to eternal Hell. To be ignorant of this is to waste the life you've been given.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Next, believer or not, life is God's greatest gift.

Friend, you are quite mistaken, and gravely so. God's greatest gift is faith, because life for one without faith is fraught with naught but suffering. Suffering and death are part of the curse of sin on the world (Genesis 3:16-19). Adam and Eve fell, and when they did, they brought to themselves and to all of their descendants the suffering of death. Not everyone will be blessed to be born in a land of plentiful resources, where such resources are shared fairly and equitably. Most people in the world are born in poverty, die from such things as a cavity or scratch causing bacterial infection, malaria spread by mosquitoes, parasites from unclean water. Mothers watch their babies starve, fathers watch their young sons become soldiers. Life is a mess, a bloody, violent, unfair mess for those who are not Saved©.

Look, the LORD is first and foremost a holy and righteous God. So holy is He that He cannot tolerate sin. He is a God whose anger burns against the wicked and disobedient (Isaiah 5:25; Hosea 8:5; Zechariah 10:3). The Bible also tells us that He hates all manner of sin (Proverbs 6:16-19). And while He is merciful, there are limits to His mercy.

Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 55:6-7

Because God is just and righteous, He cannot allow our sin, the sin we were born to commit under His Perfect Yet Incomprehensible Divine Plan, to go unpunished. He doesn't care whether or not we know anything about it or how to be free from it. Someone has to pay for it. The greatest gift He provided, then, was His own payment for our sin (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Originally Posted by Citizen of Earth

Although I respect personal opinions especially when it comes to religious topics

Then why are you trying to change our minds? The fact is, you don't respect our personal opinions, or our personal convictions. You respect rational thinking. Why not just admit it, repent of it, and accept Jesus Christ into your heart?

[Citizen of Earth]

In advance I'd like to point out that taking individual passages of a message, or parts of it, out of context is bound to not accurately reflect the full message the author is trying to get across.

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Let's take this in two stages.

1. What have personal opinions got to do with religion?

Eventually your belief is just that - your (personal) interpretation of God's works.

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

2. We are commanded by God to avoid seeking knowledge. Take it up with God.

That is an interesting point of view and although I'm not really keen on straying too far from the original topic, I am positively curious on how you came to this conclusion since if regarded from this angle, reading the Bible to learn about the Lord is obviously a bad thing to do.

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

So you see, we were warned about people like you full of your own importance and not to seek the wrong sort of knowledge and to try to guess how God did things. So why do you think we're going to listen to you? You certainly seem like one of those scoffers: a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I did by no means plan on 'preaching' to you further I am not trying to tell you what's right and wrong nor am I trying to belittle or alter your belief.
Please point out what exactly implies that I value what I bring up more than others' points so I can avoid evoking this impression in the future.

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

ALL SCIENCE IS EVIL, AND FROM SATAN! - Even though science is correct and works...

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by PhDPhysicss

ALL SCIENCE IS EVIL, AND FROM SATAN! - Even though science is correct and works...

It depends on your definition of "works" I suppose. If it contradicts the Holy Word of God, it's incorrect and wrong.

[Unwish]

You humans contradict yourself!
Let me ask you this: Where did Cain's wife popped out from?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Originally Posted by Unwish

You humans contradict yourself!
Let me ask you this: Where did Cain's wife popped out from?

Humans? What does that make you, a duck?

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Unwish

You humans contradict yourself!
Let me ask you this: Where did Cain's wife popped out from?

What contradiction are you talking about? Cain's wife was a descendant of Adam and Eve (Not Adam and Steve), just like every human on earth.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Unwish

You humans contradict yourself!
Let me ask you this: Where did Cain's wife popped out from?

Who cares where the women came from? Sons are the important thing. Everyone knows that.

[Alterboy]

Religion shall always be at odds with science. Why? Because science only deals with what it can see and prove. And scientists blind to the spiritual realm can not see it and thus can not prove it.
We are more than this physical realm - we are souls created by God.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

Religion shall always be at odds with science. Why? Because science only deals with what it can see and prove. And scientists blind to the spiritual realm can not see it and thus can not prove it.
We are more than this physical realm - we are souls created by God.

This is rather insightful for some who spends every Sunday worshiping statues under the authority of the AntiChrist.

I'm sorry to get so enraged, friend, but the stink of Catholicism in your username is highly offensive to anyone brought up in the literal Word of God, King James Version.

I'm praying that you make the choices necessary for Jesus to bless you with anything but Hellfire.

[Alterboy]

Billy Bob, you have such godly wisdom and your anger is valid.
My parents chose to worship such a diabolical religion and chose to drag me to Hell with them. But Jesus saved me and put me on the path of TRUE Christianity - That of His Church, as started by John The Baptist.
Amen.
If I still reek of Catholicism it is due to the recent "exorcism" performed on me when I told my family I am a Baptist now. The "exorcism" involved a lot of wine, wafers, holy water and incense.

[Guardian16]

Religion is the downfall of humanity... Science is salvation




"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."


"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Guardian16

Religion is the downfall of humanity... Science is salvation




"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."


"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Welcome to God's favourite website!

Now, please make your way over to the Introduction Fora and tell us what church you go to, what is your favourite bible verse and when did you start your walk with Christ?

YIC

[Unwish]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

What contradiction are you talking about? Cain's wife was a descendant of Adam and Eve (Not Adam and Steve), just like every human on earth.

I assume that by descendant you mean daughter. Okay, let's say you didn't made that up and continue to the next question: If Cain's wife is Adam and Eve's descendant, that means she is related to them by blood, just like Cain is. That means that Cain and his wife are blood related too. I thought incest in considered forbidden, is it not?