[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Hunter

Alright, I have read through this topic, and have come to a few conclusions...blah blah blah blah blah....wall of text....stupid gamer logic....blah blah blah blah blah...

I'm sorry, did you say something?

[Hunter]

Heh heh. Wow your pretty dense to be calling yourself and your views so smart.

[Hunter]

And by the way, it isn't gamer logic, it is something called real life.

[Listening]

Wonderfully put. I don't think I could've said it any better myself. Not you Reverand. I don't like you much. Hunter is who I was talking to.
Seriously though, learn to tolerate different people. Communists, Gays, etc. Don't have to like them, you just have to tolerate them. Personally, I think that there should've been an eleventh commandment, not to judge God or anything. I'm not going to put it in ancient grammar. "Do not push your religon on others." Seriously.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

No, I just don't feel that it is proper to waste my time making a rebuttal towards someone with his head so far up his own behind. We have already established that Fallout 3 is a Satanic game and I gave more than a dozen reasons of why this is so. Many a gamer has come trying to defend this filth but failed.

It is violent, it features blasphemy towards God, it encourages terrorism and mayhem....it causes kids to kill. There's nothing to debate about.

Get right with Jesus or get out!

[JosephB]

I hope all of you listen to what I am about to say:

I personally play the game, and I like it. Not because of the bad things you talk about here, but because of all of how it shows all of the bad things that could possibly happen to us, that is if God let it happen, or another country. The game has a karma system, so the player can't just be bad, but good if they want. I personally like to be a good character, mostly because I don't like people yelling at me (For those that don't know, if you have bad karma you aren't really regarded highly in the Wasteland), and attacking me on sight.

I also play the game because I'm a fan of armor, and this game has some really cool armor. Well, there are some evil looking ones. By evil I mean black with horns. I'll try to find a picture.



Wow, I didn't think the picture would be that large.

Also, for the "Blowing up the bomb" part, there is also an option to disarm the bomb, resulting in a lot of good karma.

For the whole "killing" part of this topic, I have read topics about how there are ways to go through the entire game without killing anything but a simple bug. Please, don't think off me as evil, but I use the "Bloody Mess" perk. I just stumbled upon this topic today, so I didn't view the game as you all do.

Now, for my favorite part, because I like to have a house and stuff in video games:

For the computer version of the game, there is something called a G.E.C.K. editing tool. (G.E.C.K. stands for "Garden of Eden Creation Kit", involving purifying the wasteland. The Garden of Eden Creation Kit is used in the story as an actual purifier, but only an editor in the computer version. I guess the makers of the game used G.E.C.K. because the story version was able to create life where there once was none, much like video game editing programs.)

Using the G.E.C.K., players could rebuild the wasteland (I've seen well done modifications with the Wasteland having beautiful green vegetation, much like what the story G.E.C.K. does. I feel like I'm using the word G.E.C.K. too much), creating houses and such.

I just noticed that I'm sort of advertising the game. I think that doesn't help what I'm trying to say here.

In short, it's a free play game, the player can do whatever they wish. They can be good, bad, or even in between. There are achievements for karma, as well.

Messiah, if the player reaches the highest level with very good karma.

I'm not sure of the neutral one.

And, unfortunately, an achievement for being very evil at the highest level.


Plus, it is NOT intended for children. I play the game, I'm fourteen, but I have been raised by a christian family to not get taken over by this sort of thing. I also don't let the eleven year old my grandmother babysits play the game. It has a rating of "M for Mature", so if people under the right age, or the right mindset (I say that because I'm under eight-teen), play the game, it's the parent's fault.

Also, if you haven't noticed I sort of ramble on about my favorite aspects of games (NOT THE KILLING! THE G.E.C.K. AND GOOD KARMA PARTS!).

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Listening

Wonderfully put. I don't think I could've said it any better myself. Not you Reverand. I don't like you much. Hunter is who I was talking to.
Seriously though, learn to tolerate different people. Communists, Gays, etc. Don't have to like them, you just have to tolerate them. Personally, I think that there should've been an eleventh commandment, not to judge God or anything. I'm not going to put it in ancient grammar. "Do not push your religon on others." Seriously.

Please tell me where there is Scripture saying to "tolerate" people. I seemed to have missed that one despite my years of studying the Bible...

Personally, you think there should be an eleventh commandment? What are you God? I can care less about your insipid and unenlightened teenage opinions. Read a King James Bible, kid. The only God to follow is the actual God!

[JosephB]

Originally Posted by JosephB

I hope all of you listen to what I am about to say:

I personally play the game, and I like it. Not because of the bad things you talk about here, but because of all of how it shows all of the bad things that could possibly happen to us, that is if God let it happen, or another country. The game has a karma system, so the player can't just be bad, but good if they want. I personally like to be a good character, mostly because I don't like people yelling at me (For those that don't know, if you have bad karma you aren't really regarded highly in the Wasteland), and attacking me on sight.

I also play the game because I'm a fan of armor, and this game has some really cool armor. Well, there are some evil looking ones. By evil I mean black with horns. I'll try to find a picture.



Wow, I didn't think the picture would be that large.

Also, for the "Blowing up the bomb" part, there is also an option to disarm the bomb, resulting in a lot of good karma.

For the whole "killing" part of this topic, I have read topics about how there are ways to go through the entire game without killing anything but a simple bug. Please, don't think off me as evil, but I use the "Bloody Mess" perk. I just stumbled upon this topic today, so I didn't view the game as you all do.

Now, for my favorite part, because I like to have a house and stuff in video games:

For the computer version of the game, there is something called a G.E.C.K. editing tool. (G.E.C.K. stands for "Garden of Eden Creation Kit", involving purifying the wasteland. The Garden of Eden Creation Kit is used in the story as an actual purifier, but only an editor in the computer version. I guess the makers of the game used G.E.C.K. because the story version was able to create life where there once was none, much like video game editing programs.)

Using the G.E.C.K., players could rebuild the wasteland (I've seen well done modifications with the Wasteland having beautiful green vegetation, much like what the story G.E.C.K. does. I feel like I'm using the word G.E.C.K. too much), creating houses and such.

I just noticed that I'm sort of advertising the game. I think that doesn't help what I'm trying to say here.

In short, it's a free play game, the player can do whatever they wish. They can be good, bad, or even in between. There are achievements for karma, as well.

Messiah, if the player reaches the highest level with very good karma.

I'm not sure of the neutral one.

And, unfortunately, an achievement for being very evil at the highest level.


Plus, it is NOT intended for children. I play the game, I'm fourteen, but I have been raised by a christian family to not get taken over by this sort of thing. I also don't let the eleven year old my grandmother babysits play the game. It has a rating of "M for Mature", so if people under the right age, or the right mindset (I say that because I'm under eight-teen), play the game, it's the parent's fault.

Also, if you haven't noticed I sort of ramble on about my favorite aspects of games (NOT THE KILLING! THE G.E.C.K. AND GOOD KARMA PARTS!).

Honestly, this kind of sounded better in my head.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

No, I just don't feel that it is proper to waste my time making a rebuttal towards someone with his head so far up his own behind. We have already established that Fallout 3 is a Satanic game and I gave more than a dozen reasons of why this is so. Many a gamer has come trying to defend this filth but failed.

It is violent, it features blasphemy towards God, it encourages terrorism and mayhem....it causes kids to kill. There's nothing to debate about.

Get right with Jesus or get out!

Here's a new idea. Your the guy with your head up your ass with your own ego.

Who established it as Satanic? You? Are you god as to establish something as fact by your logic?

How the hell can I have failed when you didn't read a thing. Maybe you did read it, but refer to what I said earlier. Your head is too stuck up your ass to admit defeat. There is something to debate about, and if there isn't, than the only one who lost is you.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by JosephB

I also play the game because I'm a fan of armor, and this game has some really cool armor. Well, there are some evil looking ones. By evil I mean black with horns. I'll try to find a picture.

That looks like a robotic demon to me. It has piercing yellow demon eyes and demon ears. Futuristic demon. This is the kind of filth they are peddling to our children!

Also, for the "Blowing up the bomb" part, there is also an option to disarm the bomb, resulting in a lot of good karma.

For the whole "killing" part of this topic, I have read topics about how there are ways to go through the entire game without killing anything but a simple bug. Please, don't think off me as evil, but I use the "Bloody Mess" perk. I just stumbled upon this topic today, so I didn't view the game as you all do.

I've addressed this before...it doesn't matter if you can choose between good or evil, the fact is you can choose evil! This allows a player to be as evil as he wants without consequence.

For the computer version of the game, there is something called a G.E.C.K. editing tool. (G.E.C.K. stands for "Garden of Eden Creation Kit", involving purifying the wasteland. The Garden of Eden Creation Kit is used in the story as an actual purifier, but only an editor in the computer version. I guess the makers of the game used G.E.C.K. because the story version was able to create life where there once was none, much like video game editing programs.)

Using the G.E.C.K., players could rebuild the wasteland (I've seen well done modifications with the Wasteland having beautiful green vegetation, much like what the story G.E.C.K. does. I feel like I'm using the word G.E.C.K. too much), creating houses and such.

There is no "Garden of Eden Creation Kit" in the Bible. In fact, this sounds like playing God! Only God created the Garden of Eden...now you're telling me godless scientists can do the same? MORE BLASPHEMY!

Plus, it is NOT intended for children. I play the game, I'm fourteen, but I have been raised by a christian family to not get taken over by this sort of thing. I also don't let the eleven year old my grandmother babysits play the game. It has a rating of "M for Mature", so if people under the right age, or the right mindset (I say that because I'm under eight-teen), play the game, it's the parent's fault.

You are not supposed to be playing this game, boy. You are 4 years under the limit. It doesn't say "right mindset" on the box, it says you have to be 18. Stop playing this game immediately or I'm going to tell your parents!!!

[Nurama]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

That looks like a robotic demon to me. It has piercing yellow demon eyes and demon ears. Futuristic demon. This is the kind of filth they are peddling to our children!



I've addressed this before...it doesn't matter if you can choose between good or evil, the fact is you can choose evil! This allows a player to be as evil as he wants without consequence.



There is no "Garden of Eden Creation Kit" in the Bible. In fact, this sounds like playing God! Only God created the Garden of Eden...now you're telling me godless scientists can do the same? MORE BLASPHEMY!



You are not supposed to be playing this game, boy. You are 4 years under the limit. It doesn't say "right mindset" on the box, it says you have to be 18. Stop playing this game immediately or I'm going to tell your parents!!!

Oh dear reverend are you proud of being so close to the almighty God. The uhm.. thing? It is for he is not man, said so in 23:19. So if he is not man and knows not of what it is like to be us how does he know the rules thou sha'll follow?

[Hunter]

Good luck to you telling his parents. I love how you answer all of these posts except mine? Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Have fun hating other people because of how they look while I take part in sloth and gluttony and have one hell of a fun life while you sit inside and read the bible all day and die with nothing to show for it. I'm off to bed. Why should someone who hates others based on things they can't control go to heaven while us others go to hell? If heaven was filled with people like you I'd rather burn in fire for eternity than listen your mindless bitching.

I don't say this often enough, but I hope you die and burn in hell, I've seen enough of the kind of person you are. If anyone is a kid here, it is you. I'm off to bed, goodnight.

[Admiral Petty]

That looks like a robotic demon to me. It has piercing yellow demon eyes and demon ears. Futuristic demon. This is the kind of filth they are peddling to our children!

Nah, it's just a guy in armor designed for NBC protection. Yellow eyes are just to enhance vision. Everything serves a purpose.

I've addressed this before...it doesn't matter if you can choose between good or evil, the fact is you can choose evil! This allows a player to be as evil as he wants without consequence.

No, there is much consequence for every action. The realism is that it shows there are more sides to every coin. Good cannot exist without evil.

There is no "Garden of Eden Creation Kit" in the Bible. In fact, this sounds like playing God! Only God created the Garden of Eden...now you're telling me godless scientists can do the same? MORE BLASPHEMY!

Nor are there internet forums. It's just a metaphor Pastor.

You are not supposed to be playing this game, boy. You are 4 years under the limit. It doesn't say "right mindset" on the box, it says you have to be 18. Stop playing this game immediately or I'm going to tell your parents!!!

I don't think his parents care, his parents probably bought it for him.[/QUOTE]

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Oh I'll be going to Heaven, don't worry! You on the other hand, the unsaved, unrepentant heathen will burn in the fiery pits of Hell. Before you go, please remember to stop playing this game. It is steering you away from Christ! Jesus loves you! Why won't you let Him in?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Admiral Petty

Nah, it's just a guy in armor designed for NBC protection. Yellow eyes are just to enhance vision. Everything serves a purpose.

If it walks like a demon, talks like a demon....it's a demon!

No, there is much consequence for every action. The realism is that it shows there are more sides to every coin. Good cannot exist without evil.

WHAT consequences? If you go to a town and mow down a half dozen people with a machine gun...what happens to you? Do you go to jail? Are you executed? Do you go to Hell? No. You merely get kicked out of town. Come back 3 days later and you can resume your violence.

There are absolutely no consquences in this game for immoral actions!

Nor are there internet forums. It's just a metaphor Pastor.

They can pick better metaphors than the Bible. The Bible is a sacred book and Bethesda has promoted blasphemy.

[Nurama]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Oh I'll be going to Heaven, don't worry! You on the other hand, the unsaved, unrepentant heathen will burn in the fiery pits of Hell. Before you go, please remember to stop playing this game. It is steering you away from Christ! Jesus loves you! Why won't you let Him in?

Eh all we have to do is repent our sins to god the moment before we die and we will be allowed into heaven. For anyone can repent for thou sins. You also never replied... Are you proud that you will be going to heaven and that you are so close to god you can speak his word as if you are his son.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Nurama

Eh all we have to do is repent our sins to god the moment before we die and we will be allowed into heaven. For anyone can repent for thou sins. You also never replied... Are you proud that you will be going to heaven and that you are so close to god you can speak his word as if you are his son.

You don't know when you are going to die, though. What if you died unexpectedly and were unsaved? You'd be out of luck then. Why don't you repent right now? Accept Jesus Christ as your savior so that you may have eternal life!

[Admiral Petty]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

I'm sorry, did you say something?

Stop Rev. stop killing your own religion. If you keep spreading the word like that, your heaven is going to have a lot of vacant spaces.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

If it walks like a demon, talks like a demon....it's a demon!

Well, that's fine, but this guy walks like a human, talks like a human and behaves like a human.

WHAT consequences? If you go to a town and mow down a half dozen people with a machine gun...what happens to you? Do you go to jail? Are you executed? Do you go to Hell? No. You merely get kicked out of town. Come back 3 days later and you can resume your violence.

Well, no you don't go to jail, the world's been hit with over 10,000 nuclear warheads. There are no jails left. In case you didn't notice, radiation is everywhere and civilization is dead. There is no infrastructure. What will happen to you, is everyone will come out of whatever they're doing to personally kill you. No one will like you, you will have a harder time getting a reputation, trust, getting jobs and thus money. It's not 'you mow down a million people and that it' there is actually depth here. You're just too scared to look.

They can pick better metaphors than the Bible. The Bible is a sacred book and Bethesda has promoted blasphemy.

Wait, you mean that there is something BETTER than the Bible for teaching life lessons and making real-life relevant metaphors? That's a big step Rev.

[Jake the Papist]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

My church bio can be seen HERE.

I see that you were a prodigy, and while memorizing the bible is good, I feel and am sad that your talents were wasted collecting objects of abuse. You could have helped a lot of people.

[Admiral Petty]

Warriors of JESUS on Fallout 3. Look at his armor, bearing the sign of the Lion. Clearly this means Jesus, bright glowning eyes with the power of Jesus piercing the hearts of the unclean.

*graphic picture of innocent man being burned alive deleted*

This game can't be all that bad.