[Alterboy]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

No, He doesn't. See my response above as to why Deuteronomy 22:20-21 does not apply in this case.

There is one special circumstance in the Bible that will allow you to put her to death, though. Let's see if either of you can find it.

Hint: it doesn't involve stoning.

Btw, if zdevoll's father now attempts to marry her off as a virgin, he's guilty of fraud.

You are speaking of the time the pharisees brought an adulterous woman to Jesus and He said, "Let he without sin cast the first stone." BUT Jesus ended this by telling her to sin no more!
So her salvation comes by accepting Jesus and turning away from sin...
Does she look likely to do this?

[Alterboy]

Dear Internet poster with the name that sounds like "The Devil" in an awful French accent,
Does your sister have any hope of accepting Jesus? Is she addicted to demonic shows like Beverly Hills 90210, MTV "reality" programmes, soap operas? They promote such adulterous behaviour fooling many girls into believing that sin is acceptable.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

You are speaking of the time the pharisees brought an adulterous woman to Jesus and He said, "Let he without sin cast the first stone." BUT Jesus ended this by telling her to sin no more!...

Nope. I even specified no stoning. Care to try again?

[zdevoll]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

Dear Internet poster with the name that sounds like "The Devil" in an awful French accent,
Does your sister have any hope of accepting Jesus? Is she addicted to demonic shows like Beverly Hills 90210, MTV "reality" programmes, soap operas? They promote such adulterous behaviour fooling many girls into believing that sin is acceptable.

1. Love the French joke
2. She loves Jersey Whores, Beverly Hills 9021Blow, and Tosh.homo

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by zdevoll

1. Love the French joke
2. She loves Jersey Whores, Beverly Hills 9021Blow, and Tosh.homo

Why are you bothering to respond to him? He's shown that he doesn't know the Bible, and so can't hope to follow all 630+ commandments contained therein, thus will not be going to Heaven.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Why not at least try to answer the question I posed to both of you (see post #20 in this thread)? God doesn't approve of laziness.

Proverbs 21:25 "The desire of the slothful killeth him; For his hands refuse to labour."

[Alterboy]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Why are you bothering to respond to him? He's shown that he doesn't know the Bible, and so can't hope to follow all 630+ commandments contained therein, thus will not be going to Heaven.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Why not at least try to answer the question I posed to both of you (see post #20 in this thread)? God doesn't approve of laziness.

Proverbs 21:25 "The desire of the slothful killeth him; For his hands refuse to labour."

Did you even read my reply? I stated that if she repents and turns away from sin she won't be stoned.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

Did you even read my reply? I stated that if she repents and turns away from sin she won't be stoned.

Yes, and as I stated it's wrong, and irrelevant to my challenge to you and zdevoll to find a passage in the Bible that WOULD allow zdevoll and his father to put his sister to death.

I even gave you (and repeated) the hint that it would NOT involve stoning.

I can't guarantee True Christianhood™ to the first one of you who finds the answer (it's not my place to decide who is Saved©), but I can pretty much assure you that the loser won't ever get there.

Stop embarrassing yourself and .

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by zdevoll

Should I wait or do it now? Will God consider me a murderer or an accomplic to murder?

Why are you trying to get us to incite you to murder?

I thought you were here to praise Jesus. Instead you want us to be persecuted in secular jails. What kind of twisted monster are you?

If God wants you to kill someone for, say, not being a virgin on her wedding day the answer is in the Bible.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

You are speaking of the time the pharisees brought an adulterous woman to Jesus and He said, "Let he without sin cast the first stone." BUT Jesus ended this by telling her to sin no more!
So her salvation comes by accepting Jesus and turning away from sin...
Does she look likely to do this?

Why are you making stuff up about Jesus?

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

You don't beat the sinful harlot! You stone her!!!!

We never advise people to break the law. Stoning is illegal in all Western countries. God expects all Christians to abide by the law (Rom 13:1-7).

Originally Posted by Alterboy

Did you even read my reply? I stated that if she repents and turns away from sin she won't be stoned.

I have to agree with our resident atheist. Neither of the passages you quoted apply, but there is one that does. It will be interesting to see your next response to Didymus' challenge.

[Jacobispukesome]

Seriously? You started to torture her? You should talk with her. People that cant talk about problems are the weakest people on earth. Ask her why she is wearing those clothes. Remeber that Jesus died so we could get to heaven. I bet he would get dissapointed at you if you got to hell instead.

[Alterboy]

To Didymus,
1 Corinthians 7:8 - 7:9
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

[Alterboy]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Why are you making stuff up about Jesus?

John 8
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2*And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3*And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4*They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5*Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6*This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7*So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8*And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9*And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10*When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11*She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

12*Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

13*The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

14*Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

15*Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16*And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

17*It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18*I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

19*Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

20*These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

21*Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

22*Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

23*And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24*I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25*Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26*I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27*They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

28*Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29*And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30*As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31*Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32*And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33*They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34*Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35*And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36*If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

37*I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38*I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39*They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40*But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41*Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42*Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43*Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44*Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45*And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46*Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47*He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48*Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

49*Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

50*And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

51*Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

52*Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

53*Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54*Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

55*Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

56*Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57*Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58*Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59*Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


I hope that clears up any confusion.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

To Didymus,
1 Corinthians 7:8 - 7:9
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

That's obviously talking about their eternal fate, not what someone can do to them. Try again.

[Alterboy]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

That's obviously talking about their eternal fate, not what someone can do to them. Try again.

I have offered two Biblical alternatives to stoning girls who engage in premarital sex and yet because it is not the answer you are looking for I am wrong?
To recap: girls who slept around were to be married to the man they slept with. If the father did not give the girl permission to marry, she had to be a slave or prostitute.

Also, sin should only be pardoned if you are truly redempt. You have to turn away from sin thereafter. The best solution in this case would be to marry

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Alandisawesome

People that cant talk about problems are the weakest people on earth.

What a spiteful thing to say

I used to give therapy to children who were victims of sexual abuse. Do you realise THEY cannot talk about their problems, initially?

I hope picking on the most vulnerable makes you happy but it makes me sick to my stomach to hear another human being say such a vile, evil thing.

You make me sick.

All the best.

YIC

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Alandisawesome

Seriously? You started to torture her? You should talk with her. People that cant talk about problems are the weakest people on earth. Ask her why she is wearing those clothes. Remeber that Jesus died so we could get to heaven. I bet he would get dissapointed at you if you got to hell instead.

What bit of the Bible is causing you to think we are displeasing God?

[Sammy The Penitent]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

I have offered two Biblical alternatives to stoning girls who engage in premarital sex and yet because it is not the answer you are looking for I am wrong?
To recap: girls who slept around were to be married to the man they slept with. If the father did not give the girl permission to marry, she had to be a slave or prostitute.

Also, sin should only be pardoned if you are truly redempt. You have to turn away from sin thereafter. The best solution in this case would be to marry

If it will get you two to stop this bickering, give me the whore and I'll just shoot her.

YIC

[Alterboy]

Originally Posted by Sammy The Penitent

If it will get you two to stop this bickering, give me the whore and I'll just shoot her.

YIC

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

You, sir, are a true child of God.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Alterboy

I have offered two Biblical alternatives to stoning girls who engage in premarital sex and yet because it is not the answer you are looking for I am wrong?...

Yes, because the challenge was to find Biblical justification for putting her to death (you seemed quite eager to do so):

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

...There is one special circumstance in the Bible that will allow you to put her to death, though. Let's see if either of you can find it.

Hint: it doesn't involve stoning...

In neither of the scenarios you've brought up does anyone actually die, so yes, you're wrong.

This tells me that you don't know the Bible well enough to know whether you're obeying all 630+ commandments (which is required for salvation, as James 2:10 attests).

Aren't you worried about that?