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Default A story I stumbled across - 10-14-2006, 11:51 PM

DENVER, Oct. 3 — A Colorado man who was arrested in June on harassment charges after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney to denounce the war in Iraq filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday accusing a Secret Service agent of civil rights violations.


In his suit, filed in Federal District Court in Denver, the man, Steven Howards, an environmental consultant who lives in Golden, Colo., says he stepped up to the vice president to speak his mind in a public place and found himself in handcuffs — in violation, the suit says, of the Constitution’s language about free speech and illegal search and seizure.


The suit seeks no specific damages, and names only one agent, Virgil D. Reichle Jr., who is assigned to the Denver office of the Secret Service. But Mr. Howards’s lawyer, David A. Lane, said Mr. Cheney might be called as a witness, along with the district attorney in Eagle County who threw out the criminal case against Mr. Howards. If a chain of command within the Secret Service is found that suggests Mr. Reichle was acting on orders, Mr. Lane said, more defendants could be named.


A call to Agent Reichle was not returned. A spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney referred questions on the matter to the Secret Service. The agent in charge of the Denver office, Lon Garner, declined to comment.


Mr. Howards, 54, said at a news conference here that he was taking his 8-year-old son to a piano lesson on June 16 at the Beaver Creek Resort about two hours west of Denver when he saw Mr. Cheney at an outdoor mall. Mr. Howards said he approached within two feet of Mr. Cheney and said in a calm voice, “I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible,” or as the lawsuit itself describes the encounter, “words to that effect.”


Mr. Howards said he then went on his way. About 10 minutes later, he said, he was walking back through the area when Agent Reichle handcuffed him and said he would be charged with assaulting the vice president. Local police officers, acting on information from the Secret Service, according to the suit, ultimately filed misdemeanor harassment charges that could have resulted in up to a year in jail.


A June 16 article in The Vail Daily quoted a spokesman for the Secret Service, Eric Zahren, as saying that Mr. Howards “wasn’t acting like other folks in the area,” and that he became “argumentative and combative” when agents tried to question him. Mr. Howards said Tuesday that he was never threatening and did not become upset until his arrest.
“This was not about anything I did — this is about what I said,” he said.
Mr. Zahren declined to comment on the suit or on his original description of the event.


Mr. Howards said he was released on $500 bond after about three hours in jail. A state judge dismissed the charge about three weeks later at the request of the Eagle County district attorney, Mark Hurlbert.
“It was our understanding that the vice president did not want to prosecute,” Mr. Hurlbert said in a telephone interview. “The original indication was that he had pushed the vice president. Later it looked to be that he had just spoken to him.”


Mr. Hurlbert said the initial information on the incident came from the Secret Service agents at Beaver Creek. A later communication from Mr. Cheney’s office or the Secret Service — Mr. Hurlbert said he did not remember which — said the government wanted to drop the matter.


The suit joins two others — in West Virginia and another in Denver — charging that Secret Service agents or White House staff members violated the law in keeping people with opposing political views away from President Bush or Mr. Cheney.


In the other Colorado suit, two people said they were ejected from a taxpayer-financed appearance by Mr. Bush in Denver in March 2005 because of an antiwar bumper sticker. The case is awaiting a ruling from the judge on a motion by the government to dismiss the case.


In the West Virginia case, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of Jeff and Nicole Rank, who said they were arrested on July 4, 2004, at an appearance by Mr. Bush in Charleston. The Ranks had proper tickets but were wearing anti-Bush T-shirts, the suit says. The government has an Oct. 10 deadline to respond to the suit, said Chris Hansen, a senior staff counsel at the A.C.L.U. in New York.


Mr. Howards said that he had had no intent to test the limits of free speech when he approached Mr. Cheney, but that the government’s actions in the aftermath only deepened his convictions and opposition.
“This administration has a history of intimidating folks,” he said.
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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 01:36 AM

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Assorted Hell-bound liberal drivel from a secular news source.
Of course, our vice president has every right to do what he pleases with a dis-loyal subject. I'm not sure why you posted this filth on God's favorite forum.


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DENVER, Oct. 3 — A Colorado man who was arrested in June on harassment charges after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney to denounce the war in Iraq filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday accusing a Secret Service agent of civil rights violations.


In his suit, filed in Federal District Court in Denver, the man, Steven Howards, an environmental consultant who lives in Golden, Colo., says he stepped up to the vice president to speak his mind in a public place and found himself in handcuffs — in violation, the suit says, of the Constitution’s language about free speech and illegal search and seizure.


The suit seeks no specific damages, and names only one agent, Virgil D. Reichle Jr., who is assigned to the Denver office of the Secret Service. But Mr. Howards’s lawyer, David A. Lane, said Mr. Cheney might be called as a witness, along with the district attorney in Eagle County who threw out the criminal case against Mr. Howards. If a chain of command within the Secret Service is found that suggests Mr. Reichle was acting on orders, Mr. Lane said, more defendants could be named.


A call to Agent Reichle was not returned. A spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney referred questions on the matter to the Secret Service. The agent in charge of the Denver office, Lon Garner, declined to comment.


Mr. Howards, 54, said at a news conference here that he was taking his 8-year-old son to a piano lesson on June 16 at the Beaver Creek Resort about two hours west of Denver when he saw Mr. Cheney at an outdoor mall. Mr. Howards said he approached within two feet of Mr. Cheney and said in a calm voice, “I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible,” or as the lawsuit itself describes the encounter, “words to that effect.”


Mr. Howards said he then went on his way. About 10 minutes later, he said, he was walking back through the area when Agent Reichle handcuffed him and said he would be charged with assaulting the vice president. Local police officers, acting on information from the Secret Service, according to the suit, ultimately filed misdemeanor harassment charges that could have resulted in up to a year in jail.


A June 16 article in The Vail Daily quoted a spokesman for the Secret Service, Eric Zahren, as saying that Mr. Howards “wasn’t acting like other folks in the area,” and that he became “argumentative and combative” when agents tried to question him. Mr. Howards said Tuesday that he was never threatening and did not become upset until his arrest.
“This was not about anything I did — this is about what I said,” he said.
Mr. Zahren declined to comment on the suit or on his original description of the event.


Mr. Howards said he was released on $500 bond after about three hours in jail. A state judge dismissed the charge about three weeks later at the request of the Eagle County district attorney, Mark Hurlbert.
“It was our understanding that the vice president did not want to prosecute,” Mr. Hurlbert said in a telephone interview. “The original indication was that he had pushed the vice president. Later it looked to be that he had just spoken to him.”


Mr. Hurlbert said the initial information on the incident came from the Secret Service agents at Beaver Creek. A later communication from Mr. Cheney’s office or the Secret Service — Mr. Hurlbert said he did not remember which — said the government wanted to drop the matter.


The suit joins two others — in West Virginia and another in Denver — charging that Secret Service agents or White House staff members violated the law in keeping people with opposing political views away from President Bush or Mr. Cheney.


In the other Colorado suit, two people said they were ejected from a taxpayer-financed appearance by Mr. Bush in Denver in March 2005 because of an antiwar bumper sticker. The case is awaiting a ruling from the judge on a motion by the government to dismiss the case.


In the West Virginia case, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of Jeff and Nicole Rank, who said they were arrested on July 4, 2004, at an appearance by Mr. Bush in Charleston. The Ranks had proper tickets but were wearing anti-Bush T-shirts, the suit says. The government has an Oct. 10 deadline to respond to the suit, said Chris Hansen, a senior staff counsel at the A.C.L.U. in New York.


Mr. Howards said that he had had no intent to test the limits of free speech when he approached Mr. Cheney, but that the government’s actions in the aftermath only deepened his convictions and opposition.
“This administration has a history of intimidating folks,” he said.


So now it's a crime not to "act like other folks in the area?"

And speaking is assault?

America - land of the free,home of the brave....interesting concept of freedom you have there.


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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 04:40 AM

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Of course, our vice president has every right to do what he pleases with a dis-loyal subject. I'm not sure why you posted this filth on God's favorite forum.
Love the paraphrase... shows such a depth of inelligence. And what in the hell do you mead "dis-loyal subject?" We elected him and we have every right as ordained by this wee little thing called the constitution of the united states of america to pretty much say whatever we please to our officials, short of threatening them.

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Love the paraphrase... shows such a depth of inelligence. And what in the hell do you mead "dis-loyal subject?" We elected him and we have every right as ordained by this wee little thing called the constitution of the united states of america to pretty much say whatever we please to our officials, short of threatening them.

-And yes, I am fully aware that I didn't capitalize, so please don't even bother to point it out.
We don't care much about sickular laws or the constitution here. (Except the right to keep and bear arms!)
We wish to change them so that GWB can be King on earth, as Jesus is in Heaven!

We also wants to institute Biblical law, so that we can legally stone blasphemers such as you.


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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 03:27 PM

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We don't care much about sickular laws or the constitution here. (Except the right to keep and bear arms!)
We wish to change them so that GWB can be King on earth, as Jesus is in Heaven!

We also wants to institute Biblical law, so that we can legally stone blasphemers such as you.
Uhhuh... Seems like someone has some issues they need to work our in therapy.
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Uhhuh... Seems like someone has some issues they need to work our in therapy.
You're right, there is someone that has issues that they need to work out in therapy. That someone is you and I'm talking about therapy with a Pastor and Jesus, not some sickular therapist.
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You're right, there is someone that has issues that they need to work out in therapy. That someone is you and I'm talking about therapy with a Pastor and Jesus, not some sickular therapist.
So, what, the pastor is going to channel "jesus" or something? Unless you're incinuating that you are preparing to kill me so I can "meet my maker"
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So, what, the pastor is going to channel "jesus" or something? Unless you're incinuating that you are preparing to kill me so I can "meet my maker"
Whilst the thought would be tempting, we have to abide by the Law of the land.
However, it would be a Blessing if Jesus decided your place on Earth was no longer required and so sends you to the Pits of Hell where your sort belong.

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So, what, the pastor is going to channel "jesus" or something? Unless you're incinuating that you are preparing to kill me so I can "meet my maker"
What I am saying is that you are the one in need of therapy. The kind of therapy that only a Man of God and prayer to Jesus can give. It is Jesus' place to decide if you need killing, not mine. Brother SS is a True Christian ™ and does not need any therapy.
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So now it's a crime not to "act like other folks in the area?"
It is in my neighbourhood. Nothing moves in without prior approval. You won't see any fairy's or Christ haters around here.


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And speaking is assault?

You shouldn't mock America lilith. If the above statement were true and you were a mudslime woman; you'd be sent to a neighbouring village to be raped for being a career criminal. Jesus hates mockers.

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Uhhuh... Seems like someone has some issues they need to work our in therapy.
Secular therapists are Jews. No-one needs Jews, except for possibly the soap industry.


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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 06:45 PM

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Whilst the thought would be tempting, we have to abide by the Law of the land.
However, it would be a Blessing if Jesus decided your place on Earth was no longer required and so sends you to the Pits of Hell where your sort belong.

By the way you can't spell insinuating.
Uh, Sister Taliban, that wourd you tryna spell is i-n-c-i-n-e-r-a-t-i-n-g.
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Uh, Sister Taliban, that wourd you tryna spell is i-n-c-i-n-e-r-a-t-i-n-g.
And for the record, incinerating means "to cause to burn to ashes," where insinuating means "Provoking gradual doubt or suspicion; suggestive." Not much similarity between the two words. And it's a completely different matter whether Talitha, you, or I will burn in Hell or not.

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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 07:55 PM

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And for the record, incinerating means "to cause to burn to ashes," where insinuating means "Provoking gradual doubt or suspicion; suggestive." Not much similarity between the two words. And it's a completely different matter whether Talitha, you, or I will burn in Hell or not.

And Talitha, sorry for the typo, my finger will occasionally slip when I'm touch typing.
Listen here friend, you won't be acting quite so dignified when SATAN is incinerating you for eternity as your just reward for insinuating falsehoods about the Sweet Baby Jesus!


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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 07:58 PM

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Uh, Sister Taliban, that wourd you tryna spell is i-n-c-i-n-e-r-a-t-i-n-g.
Incinerating is something I'm going to do to you you old Coot if you don't start showing some respect to a True Christian™.

I have my finger poised on the Infraction button to sort out your kind.



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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 08:19 PM

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...my finger will occasionally slip when I'm touch typing.
Why in God's name are you touch typing yourself in Jesus's home? Have you no shame??

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Default Re: A story I stumbled across - 10-15-2006, 11:28 PM

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Incinerating is something I'm going to do to you you old Coot if you don't start showing some respect to a True Christian™.

I have my finger poised on the Infraction button to sort out your kind.
Well You kin go ahed and do whatever you think yer able to do little Missy. Praise Jesus, I done had three-four woman gang up on me many a time before. My little Faheeta say she gonna get sevrul of her chili-breath freinds to hep me out. So Im jus waitin here at the Sojers home.
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