[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Rev. Edward Clement

Oh dear, who taught you such things? The Bible clearly teaches that the woman, even among animals, is the property of the male, and property is under the control of the owner.

Sorry but no, as genesis says women are to be help meets not property or slaves or servent. Jesus did not treat women as such, in truth he showed women great respect and it was actually to women and more particularly the very first person to see him in his resurrected from was Mary Magdalene... a true honor would you not agree?
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I'm sorry but I have already proven I am a servant of the one true God, know from the KJV of the Holy Bible. At most you could say I was not 'raised' properly because I did not have a father and my brother is a prodigal.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Actually there is a chapter on how God hates men do not treat their wifes well and how "she thy companion": Malachi 2
There is also Genesis 15 which speaks of how through a woman's seed that prophecy of Mary and how her son would destroy the work of the serpent or as said 'crush his head'.

Are you suggesting the Bible verses I provided don't count? That they are less important than the one you suggest? Dear, I suggest you read the Bible as a whole, rather than in the way you want it to read.

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

This is also a prophecy of the freedom of a woman, the first blessing that women are given from God without going through men first. That this curse came through a woman and that the blessing came through on as well.

Please provide the chapter and verse in which I can read where women are free from their divine role as subservient help meets. Thanks in advance.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Sorry but no, as genesis says women are to be help meets not property or slaves or servent.

"Helps meet", dear. "Help", or "assistant/servant", and "meet", or "suitable/appropriate".

And that should really tell you who is subservient to whom.

[Zechariah Smyth]

What do you mean your brother is a prodigal?

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Are you suggesting the Bible verses I provided don't count? That they are less important than the one you suggest? Dear, I suggest you read the Bible as a whole, rather than in the way you want it to read.

Please provide the chapter and verse in which I can read where women are free from their divine role as subservient help-meets. Thanks in advance.

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right. I do take the Bible as a whole yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Genesis Chapter 15, as I said in my last post. It is in there if you will read it.
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Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right. I do take the Bible as a whole yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Here ya go, New Testament.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

No, it's not.

Genesis 2:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Genesis 2:18

English Standard Version (ESV)

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[a] him.”

Genesis 2:18

Today's New International Version (TNIV)

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Genesis 2:18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [a]suitable for him.”

And, of course, Strong's:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H5828&t=KJV

1) help, succour
a) help, succour
b) one who helps

I thought you claimed to have Strong's. Yet you ignore it and make up your own definitions for words?

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

What do you mean your brother is a prodigal?

He has turned away from God and is living a life counter to what god wants, he is a prodigal son. My mother and myself pray daily for his return to God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

A man is not my husband until we are married, as such a man can make no such demands until he is married. And yes I know and agree the husband is the head of the hosue but just because he is does not mean the wife has do obey everything he says. I would be unto my husband, give him as he requires as long as he is of the sort I will marry.

Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts that agree with your empty-headed female notions. It clearly says that EVERY (Saved©) man is your master.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I pity your father. I'll bet he has to lay a good Christian beating on you every day!

[Zechariah Smyth]

You seem to know an awful lot about husband-wife dynamics for someone who hasn't gotten around to marrying yet.



(Proverbs 12:15) "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."

YiC,

Zech

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right.

That would include encouraging them to "wear the pants in the family," so to speak. That does anger the LORD, and rightfully so. It goes against His divine command that they maintain the divine order to which they were created. (Ephesians 5:23)

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

I do take the Bible as a whole

Except for the parts you don't like.

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Christ offered the example of duty to the LORD. If you are not willing to take up your own cross, Matthew 16:24) you cannot expect to be counted among those on His right hand side. (Matthew 25:34) Clearly your cross is your independent streak that wreaks of feminism and rebellion.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

That is incorrect. Genesis 2:18 in no way implies that or says that.

Follow what Rev. Rodimer is trying to tell you and has just shown you and stop ignoring and changing the Word©.

The Lord does not approve when liberal doctrine attempts to change what He said (Deuteronomy 4:2) and:

Revelation
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[James Hutchins]

Hello Ashley, you are not one of those Stevie Nicks dizt head fans are you? Standing on hilltops, lightening in the distance, conjuring up love poems.
What kind of work do you do? Do you have calluses? Where are they?
How does God lead your life? How do you submit to Him?

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

You seem to know an awful lot about husband-wife dynamics for someone who hasn't gotten around to marrying yet.

(Proverbs 12:15) "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."

YiC,
Zech

My mother has taught me well, based on her relationship with my father. That and I look to how Jesus Christ treated women as a base, which means my husband will need to show me the same respect Jesus showed unto the women he met. It's actually quite simple, and I don't see how doesn't make sense to those here.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

That would include encouraging them to "wear the pants in the family," so to speak. That does anger the LORD, and rightfully so. It goes against His divine command that they maintain the divine order to which they were created. (Ephesians 5:23)

Except for the parts you don't like.

Christ offered the example of duty to the LORD. If you are not willing to take up your own cross, Matthew 16:24) you cannot expect to be counted among those on His right hand side. (Matthew 25:34) Clearly your cross is your independent streak that wreaks of feminism and rebellion.

I don't plan on 'wearing the pants in the family', and I am more then happy for my husband to have the responsability. As such there will be no anger from the LORD.
Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like.
I have taken up my own cross as Jesus Chirst has instructed me to do, I obey his word. I honor my parents, even my father who has died. I know he would be proud of the young woman I have become.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Hello Ashley, you are not one of those Stevie Nicks dizt head fans are you? Standing on hilltops, lightening in the distance, conjuring up love poems.
What kind of work do you do? Do you have calluses? Where are they?
How does God lead your life? How do you submit to Him?

No... Who is Stevie Nicks? I am a writer but apart from that I have no work as I don't want to have work distracting me once I get married to the right man. I don't have calluses. Which makes the next question non-applicable. God guides me in everything I do, with the Holy Bible as my instruction manuel. I submit to him my giving him my soul and my heart, having him lead me in my life.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

*** blah blah blah Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like blah blah blah ***

Whoa...did you just accuse a True Christian™ of not liking parts of the Bible?

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Whoa...did you just accuse a True Christian™ of not liking parts of the Bible?

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything, just saying I follow the whole Bible counting the scripture Malachi 2. Yet from her posts Sister Mary doesn't seem to like Malachi 2.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything

Hmm, let's see what you posted...

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like.

LIAR.

(Exodus 20:16) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything, just saying I follow the whole Bible counting the scripture Malachi 2. Yet from her posts Sister Mary doesn't seem to like Malachi 2.

Erm...

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Malachi 2:1

I'm not a priest.

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Hmm, let's see what you posted...
LIAR.

(Exodus 20:16) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I have not lied, and at most it was a misunderstand. I got the impression that Sister Mary did not like the scriptures I was giving. If she does agree with and like the scripture Malachi 2 then I apoligize for the mistake.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by StarDreamerNight

I have not lied, and at most it was a misunderstand. I got the impression that Sister Mary did not like the scriptures I was giving. If she does agree with and like the scripture Malachi 2 then I apoligize for the mistake.

Thank you for the apology. Now, why don't you tell us why you're so bitter? I think it's because you are fighting your nature. On the one hand, you want desperately to be a strong, independent creature. On the other, God has infused in your soul a desire to follow His will, which is to be subservient. I think this must cause great conflict in your soul.

But there is good news! You can be baptized into the Body of Christ, your soul will be complete, and your mind will be settled! You don't have to fight this internal battle against your sinful nature on your own, you know. The LORD will provide for you what you need (Ephesians 6:10-18).

Will you join me in prayer?

Dear Jesus, We just lift up the bitter, weary soul of our lost friend her. We just lift her needs to the Throne of the King, and we just praise Your Perfect Name and offer it as a balm for her pain. Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus! We just know she is hurting inside, the Enemy has gotten to her something fierce and she is confused and hurt and angry and lonely. We just know you are the Great Comfort for her, and we just praise You that Your will is perfect for her. We just love You, Jesus, because You are always there for us, if we will but turn away from our sinful desires and look to You. Jesus, we just offer up the needs of our friend StarDreamerNight, so that she will know Your Perfect Will for her life.
In Christ's Name we Pray
Amen

[StarDreamerNight]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Erm...

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

Malachi 2:1

I'm not a priest.

Yes yet it still shows women are to be companions with their husband.

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"Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously; yet she is your companion and your wife by covenant" (Malachi 2:14), which was quoted in the previous answer. Companionship is the reason God created woman for man. "And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him'" (Genesis 2:18). Solomon describes the adulterous woman as one "who forsakes the companion of her youth, and forgets the covenant of her God" (Proverbs 2:17).
The concept of submission, as presented in the Bible, is not contradictory to the idea of companionship. For example, all Christians are equal: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:27). In addition, Christians are to have love for one another: "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35). Yet simultaneously Christians are to submit to each other: "submitting to one another in the fear of God" (Ephesians 5:21). Hence, one can be companions and in submission to one another at the same time.
The idea is not all that difficult. Submission is basically putting someone else's needs and ideas before my own. "Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others" (Philippians 2:3-4). This passage is particularly interesting because it continues with the example of Jesus. Jesus was equal to God (Philippians 2:6; John 5:18), was one with the Father (John 10:30), and was God (John 1:1); yet, "made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross" (Philippians 2:7-8). Or as the Hebrew writer stated it, "though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered" (Hebrews 5:8). The fact that Jesus submitted to the will of the Father did not mean he was less than the Father or that he was no longer one with the Father.
In the family, the husband is given headship. "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything" (Ephesians 5:22-24). (I Corinthians 11, by the way, deals with the authority of men over women, not husbands over wives.) Since this authority is granted to them by God, their authority is limited in the scope given to them. For example, a husband has no authority to demand that his wife violate God's law. He cannot ask her to steal, prostitute herself, or to lie on his behalf. God is the source of all authority and God has not given us permission to violate his laws.