[Noah Dint]

I belive most rapes reported are another example of this society turning into one of "Not My Fault". When a hung over young lady wakes up naked on the couch at a frat party because of her BAD decisions - she has yet another decision to make.

Either she has to come to terms with the fact that she is a slut and a whore and going to hell, or it's "Not My Fault" and everyone that attended the party gang-raped her.

She makes the latter decision and the lives of many good men with potential are ruined and the men will be put behind bars.

She should be put in the stockades in the town square with a sign around her neck to tell everyone that she is indeed a whore. THAT is True Biblical Justice™.

-ND

[mnorman]

Of course, Noah Dint, if something like that happens, and she wasn't drugged or anything, then nobody but her is to be blamed.

GOD=LIFE: I understood the example above where you compared locking your door to prevent burglary to hiding your body to prevent rape, and in some ways it's quite the same principle... and in others it's not. It should not, and isn't, like that you _have_ to cover every inch of your body, or else there's a good chance that some sick-o is gonna come out of the bushes and violate you. Of course one should take measures to prevent something like that from ever happening, but that should be, and is, f.x. never walking alone (especially at certain hours and certain areas), carrying means of self-protection (pepperspray, tazer, etc.). Call me a liberal if you have to, but in my belief, everybody should be able to wear whatever they want, within the limits of reason, of course, nobody likes a tramp, without fear of rape, and without being accused of bringing violation upon themselves.

And yes, if there is an actual rape, then the violator, male or female, is ALWAYS the sole person responsible. If it was consensual at the time, and one of them the following morning accuses the other of raping her or him, then it is a whole different story! I hate a liar and a cheater as much as the next guy.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by mnorman

some sick-o is gonna come out of the bushes and violate you.

It is more convenient/comforting to think of rapists as strangers, but this is usually not the case: in the vast majority of cases, the women already knew their rapists -- also see: date rape statistics. So going on unsupervised dates is a big factor and one that would not apply to a True Christian daughter.

Now ultimately we all trust God to protect us, but God wants us to at least take some precautions. It should not be a big deal for fathers to take interest in what their daughters are doing. Why do they not care or have the time? Usually, because they are too busy with their careers because they care more about supporting a decadent lifestyle with a big car and a big house. I say: what about a big family and big family values?

Originally Posted by mnorman

and without being accused of bringing violation upon themselves

Different people may come to different personal conclusions about where the blame lies. This is a matter of thinking for yourself. But we can all agree that sending your daughter to an environment where 1 out of 12 men meet the legal definition of rapist is not a good idea. Even if you don't follow the Bible, you should understand that if there's a certain risk profile involved here...

Originally Posted by mnorman

If it was consensual at the time, and one of them the following morning accuses the other of raping her or him, then it is a whole different story!

The problem is: how will you ever find out? If a woman has torn dresses and a bruised face and is crying, what will your first instinctive thought be? You'll think the accused man is major scum and should be locked up ASAP. When he goes "but, but.. it was consensual!", your reaction will be "whatever, you're lying because you're a rapist".

So basically, many innocent men have gotten trapped on a circular logic situation:

1. they are accused of rape
2. (thus) they are subhuman and everything they say is a lie
3. when the man says "I didn't do it", the reaction is "sure, that's what they all say"

The whole situation is simply not as simple as it would appear at first glance with a clear victim and a clear scumbag. Again: there have been literally tens of thousands of confirmed false rape accusations.

But then you ask: "won't this happen to True Christian men then?" -- to that, my answer is simple: they do not fornicate, so it is impossible for them to get into this situation.

Do you see how following simple Biblical rules not only prevents real rapes from taking place, but also prevents rape accusations from happening? It's a win for both men and women.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

I have something that I'd like to add to this discussion. You quoted a reference that 84% of women knew their attacker. I have also read and heard about statistics which confirm this. Looking at this figure, wouldn't it seem to follow that the vast majority of women are making up allegations of rape?

Here's my thinking: Why would a rapist rape a woman he knows? She has positive identification of him! You don't hold up a liquor store and before you leave, drop your driver's license on the counter and say to the clerk "This is who I am". Anyone knows that the best way to commit a crime is to remain anonymous.

It stands to reason then that the majority of these cases are a) adultery that the woman later regrets b) alcohol-fueled consensual sex c) revenge against a boyfriend.

Knowing that, I think it's to say the majority of the time, the man is the victim and the woman is criminal. I think it's high time we make some changes in the law and prosecute the real scumbags in rape cases -- the women.

[New guy]

Thanks for pointing me over to this article GOD=life but now I have GOT to react !
I've already tried to read the Bible but being 18 and in college specialising in Maths and Physics ; I haven't got the time nor the motivation to finish a book that demands that much reflexion; I'm only human

Anyways As I was saying: How In The World!? does
Associating with people without morals (atheists, etc)
Associating with homersexuals and abortionists
Going to college
And my personal favorite :
Using any kind of contraceptive

How in the world can doing these things augment the risk of rape ??
And what's more I've got a toughie for you: What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.
I'm pretty sure that he wasn't dressed in a "slutty" way. That man IS a victim right ?

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by New guy

How in the world can doing these things augment the risk of rape ??

If you browse around for keywords like "date rape statistics" and "college rape statistics", you will find some very distressing information. My study is from a Christian point of view, but those independent statistics and studies speak for themselves -- I did not make those up.

Originally Posted by New guy

What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.

That would require the presence of homersexual men. In a Christian scenario, they would not be allowed to mingle with normal men, so the chance of being raped by another man is 0.

So, again, by following Biblical rules to the letter, the chance of a rape -- any kind of rape -- is 0. By deviating from the Bible, the chance of a rape because a lot larger than 0.

Many people come in here saying we condone rape. We don't. On the contrary: tens of thousands of rapes could be avoided every year by following the Bible.

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by New guy

And what's more I've got a toughie for you: What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.
I'm pretty sure that he wasn't dressed in a "slutty" way. That man IS a victim right ?

What kinda sick pervert are you? Thinking about men raping other men. Thats just disgusting! Only a homer would do that to another man. You best get right with Jesus and stop thinking about having sex with men!

[New guy]

Originally Posted by James Dewitt

What kinda sick pervert are you? Thinking about men raping other men. Thats just disgusting! Only a homer would do that to another man. You best get right with Jesus and stop thinking about having sex with men!

Wooah get off your high horses Mr. Dewitt; We live in the real world, and in the real world problems do not go away by ignoring them.
Here you need to solve problems, and the only way of solving problems is to understand that problem and talk about it to decide what needs to be done.
Because Men raping men (yes I said it again) does happen, if the image is to shocking then refrain from reading my posts even though I would have thought a man your age would understand the need for dialogue in the world of Today.


Anywho,
You say that by following Biblical rules to the letter the chance of any rape taking place men or women is 0.

But it must say somewhere in the bible that to rape is forbidden no ? So what would it change for a woman to go to college and dress in the manner she wishes ? And is it stated in the Bible that men are so weak that they cannot use common sense to resist the urge to rape a beautiful woman passing by ?

And no offense but it has happened for men to be sexually assaulted by women, maybe not raped cause it would get real complicated real fast, but assaulted none the less.
Were the man dressed in a provoking way ? Is it the man's fault or the woman's? If it's the woman's that would meen that no matter the case and circumstances men are always innocent, that's convenient no ?


(If you've read all of this you have my congratulations i got carried away!)

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by New guy

Wooah get off your high horses Mr. Dewitt; We live in the real world, and in the real world problems do not go away by ignoring them.
Here you need to solve problems, and the only way of solving problems is to understand that problem and talk about it to decide what needs to be done.
Because Men raping men (yes I said it again) does happen, if the image is to shocking then refrain from reading my posts even though I would have thought a man your age would understand the need for dialogue in the world of Today.

What does the Bible say about male on male rape; nothing. That means male on male rape doesn't happen. The Bible does call for the exaction of men commuting homosexual acts. That means right there God is telling us that any man who claims another man "raped" him is only trying to hide that he consented to gay sex.

[New guy]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

any man who claims another man "raped" him is only trying to hide that he consented to gay sex.

So the ones who ARE raped by other men (even though god does not want it) are to keep their mouth shut, never speak of it again which would render it impossible to press charges
Because these things DO happen, this world is not perfect

I find your views on the subjects interesting and I'm really trying to talk about it in the most respectfull maner I can (while still talking about it).

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by New guy

So the ones who ARE raped by other men (even though god does not want it) are to keep their mouth shut, never speak of it again which would render it impossible to press charges
Because these things DO happen, this world is not perfect

I find your views on the subjects interesting and I'm really trying to talk about it in the most respectfull maner I can (while still talking about it).

No man would have sex with another man unless he was a homer, Try and read the post by Brother Bobby- Joe. Its as plain as the nose on your face.

Man on man rape is only in your perverted mind.

[New guy]

Funny how no matter how respectful I am, I can't have an open convesation here without being called a name, pervert for example. For I speak of real problems that need solving but I now see that you will not be the ones who bring the solution. I've lost interest in this for now.

Perhaps another day, good bye

[GOD=life]

A man cannot be raped if there are no men interested in doing the raping. Unless, perhaps, the man could dress very convincingly as a woman. But that would be an awkward situation for all concerned.

You can always come up with thought experiments and hypothetical scenarios, but they do not change the fact that living by the Bible gets any such chances asymptotically close to 0.

For the actual reduction to 0, we have to trust God. But even if you don't trust God, you should see that an e.g. 0.01% chance is much better than 20-25%.

[New guy]

Thank you GOD=life

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Male on male rape is truly a myth. Two reasons why.

1) Men cannot rape other men because they are pretty much equal in strength. A potential victim can fight off his attacker easily.
2) Homosexuals are super-promiscuous and have the libido of rabbits. There is no need to rape another man, since a homosexual can easily find a willing and able partner within 10 minutes of entering a gay bar. There's no motivation or reason for a homosexual to rape another guy, when he can find another homosexual to give it up for free.

It's all just simple logic.

[unknown_source]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Male on male rape is truly a myth. Two reasons why.

1) Men cannot rape other men because they are pretty much equal in strength. A potential victim can fight off his attacker easily.
2) Homosexuals are super-promiscuous and have the libido of rabbits. There is no need to rape another man, since a homosexual can easily find a willing and able partner within 10 minutes of entering a gay bar. There's no motivation or reason for a homosexual to rape another guy, when he can find another homosexual to give it up for free.

It's all just simple logic.

Hmm... You seem to know quite a bit about man on man action... And where may i ask did you do your research?? On the field ey Rev??

Nothin like a bit of role play in the name of christian research!!

[forgive me]

do you people have truble sleeping at night?

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

unknown_source saunters up to the bar and smoothly says Nothin like a bit of role play in the name of christian research!!

Whoo Doggies!!
The mere mention of man-on-man conjugating and here is some guy hitting up on Rev. Jim
Wassa matta unk, them Liza Minelli records getting ya hot for some man-meat?
Take a hike lil' Elton, it'll take a lot more than inuendo to get the buckle off a preachers pants.

Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too {she thinks two men kissing is redundant}

[only will we see]

riddle me this,

why is it that your so stuck on the rape topic?
do you need a hug?

or is a hug a sin?

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

only will we see lisp riddle me this, why is it that your so stuck on the rape topic?do you need a hug?

Oh, a freakin' Batman groupie
Sooooooooo 1980's dude.

You come into this whole Forum, and with a mere two post and NO Introduction, and you burrow into this discussion of slut rape.

Me thinks thou protest too much, pogey bait.
What is it child, were ya cruisin' for vile comic book porn and accidentally landed here {by the hand of the Lord}
Take a hike back to the batcave child.