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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-09-2010, 06:09 PM

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Micah - Supposedly the work of the prophet Micah who lived in the 8th century BCE, most likely only the first three chapters are from this period, the rest being later additions from redactors. Chapters 3-5 "foretell" events of the 6th century, and chapters 6-7 discuss aspects of Judaism that did not become common until much later. This hopeful material contradicts the dire warnings of the opening chapters.

Habakkuk - A short work by an almost anonymous author (the Bible tells us nothing about who this Habakkuk character is), the first two chapters seem to be the work of another author then the last one.

Zephaniah - Supposedly the work of the 7th century BCE author, the language and themes of the book suggest it was written as late as the 2nd century BCE, perhaps based on an earlier work.
Just more baseless accusations. The first chapters "seem to be of another author." To who? You? To me, it certainly doesn't. Why don't you reply to anything we say?


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I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-10-2010, 06:40 PM

Zechariah - The different style of chapters 9-14 suggest another author from the first eight, possibly a disciple of Zechariah writing under his name.

Malachi - Misinterpretation has led Christians to believe this is the work of a prophey called Malachi - in fact Malachi is a Hebrew word meaning "Messenger", so it is of unknown authorship. There is great similarity in writing style between Zechariah 9-14 and Malachi. Among other things, both these works refer to the author as "Oracle, the word of Yahweh". Most likely, Malachi and the latter half of Zechariah were originally one work, and at some point got broken up and half of it added to the end of Zechariah.

Matthew - According to ancient tradition, this is the first gospel written and the work of the Apostle Matthew. However, given that the evidence shows it was written in the late first century, between 60 and 85 CE (probably after 70 since he mentions the destruction of the Temple) it is doubtful the author (probably a Jewish convert to Christianity) ever met Jesus. Matthew would have had to been remarkably old for his time. It seems more likely that Matthew is actually an expansion of the Gospel of Mark, and Matthew edits confusing parts of Mark to make it clearer to the reader. Also, he probably copied from another source, which Luke also used, which explains similarities between Matthew and Luke not found in Mark. Apart from these two sources, some believe Matthew may have worked from an additional two sources, the traditions of Jerusalem, Antioch and Rome, while Luke wrote in the traditions of Caesarea. Even in the early church there were many who doubted Matthew's authorship. Jerome, Papias, Irenaeus, Pantaeunus, Clement of Alexandria and Origen disagreed.
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Mark - Supposedly the work of Mark, a disciple of Peter, this gospel seems lacking in Petrine tradition. Contains many errors about the geography and culture of Galilee, making it unlikely to have originated from Peter's words or an eyewitness of the events.

Luke - Like Matthew, borrowed from Mark and another source to compose this gospel. It was most likely written between 80-90 CE, pretty late for a companion of Paul to be alive, as the tradition states. The theology of the gospel certainly does not seem of the Pauline variety, but a harmonization of traditions that occured at least ten years after Paul's death. Some also believe that the openning birth narrative is the addition of a later author.

John - Supposedly written by the Apostle John, the Alogi of the 2nd century claimed it was written by a Gnostic who never knew Jesus. John, a fisherman, would likely have been illiterate (Acts 4:13 calls John unschooled and ordinary), and unable to compose the beautiful language of this Gospel, or incorporate elements of Ancient Greek philosophy. It is also doubtful a Jew would compose such an anti-Semitic work. It is believed the end, which talks about the death of the author, is a later addition. Also, the section about the Woman caught in Adultery is missing in the oldest manuscripts and is certainly a later addition. Differences in the composition of the Greek, such as breaks and inconsistencies in sequence, repetitions in the discourse, and passages that clearly do not belong in their context, suggest redaction.

Acts - The beginning claims this account was gathered from the testimonies of eyewitnesses. However, Acts borrows phraseology and plot elements from Euripides' play, The Bacchae, and also borrows heavily from Josephus, which indicates a late composition date. Historically, it is inaccurate in many parts.

Like most biblical books, there are differences between the earliest surviving manuscripts of Acts. In the case of Acts, however, the differences between the surviving manuscripts are more substantial. The two earliest versions of manuscripts are the Western text-type (as represented by the Codex Bezae) and the Alexandrian text-type (as represented by the Codex Sinaiticus). The version of Acts preserved in the Western manuscripts contains about 10% more content than the Alexandrian version of Acts. Since the difference is so great, scholars have struggled to determine which of the two versions is closer to the original text composed by the original author.
A third class of manuscripts, known as the Byzantine text-type, is often considered to have developed after the Western and Alexandrian types. While differing from both of the other types, the Byzantine type has more similarity to the Alexandrian than to the Western type. The extant manuscripts of this type date from the 5th century or later. The Byzantine text-type served as the basis for the 16th century Textus Receptus, the first Greek-language version of the New Testament to be printed by printing press. The Textus Receptus, in turn, served as the basis for the New Testament found in the English-language King James Bible.
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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-12-2010, 02:38 PM

Ephesians - Although the opening verse claims this was written by Paul, this is doubtful. The author seems to have never personally met the people of Ephesus, although in Acts it states Paul he helped found the church. (Although, the words, "to the Ephesians", in the opening chapter are a late additionr , not present in the earliest manuscripts. So if you want to believe Paul really wrote it, you will have to admit a mistake in your KJV.)

Colossians - Another forgery, written by an anonymous author under Paul's name. The writing style is totally different from Paul's. He uses different words, he writes in a liturgical-hymnic style that he writes in nowhere else, his theology does not seem to match Paul's works.

1 Thessalonians - Although believed to be largely the work of Paul, their is evidence of later editing and redaction. For example,

1 Thes. 2:13-16 have often been regarded as a post-Pauline interpolation. The following arguments have been based on the content: (1) It is perceived to be theologically incompatible with Paul's other epistles: elsewhere Paul attributed Jesus's death to the "rulers of this age"(1 Cor 2:8) rather than to the Jews, and elsewhere Paul writes that the Jews have not been abandoned by God for "all Israel will be saved"(Rom 11:26); According to 1 Thes 1:10, the wrath of God is still to come, it is not something that has already shown itself [4](2) There were no extensive historical persecutions of Christians by Jews in Palestine prior to the first Jewish war[5] (3) The use of the concept of imitation in 1 Thes. 2.14 is singular. (4) The aorist eftasen ("has overtaken") refers to the destruction of Jerusalem[6] (5) The syntax of 1 Thes. 2:13-16 deviates significantly from that of the surrounding context.

It is also sometimes suggested that 1 Thes. 5:1-11 is a post-Pauline insertion that has many features of Lukan language and theology that serves as an apologetic correction to Paul's imminent expectation of the second coming in 1 Thes. 4:13-18.[8]
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2 Thessalonians - Supposedly the work of Paul, it is probably the work of one of Paul's disciples after his death.

1 Timothy - The vocabulary and teaching style of this letter is radically different from other Pauline epistles, and was probably written after Paul's time.
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Sweet Lord Jesus,
I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

Amen.

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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-15-2010, 03:04 PM

2 Timothy - Like 1st Timothy, probably written by a disciple of Paul after his death.

Titus - On the basis of the language and content of the pastoral epistles, these scholars today doubt that they were written by Paul, and believe that they were written after his death. Critics examining the text fail to find its vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation.

Those scholars who consider Titus to be pseudepigraphical date the epistle from the 80s up to the end of the 2nd century.
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Listen lady; we Christians have the TRUTH™ here and THE TRUTH™ always trumps the facts. All I see here are facts from you so I am not impressed with assertions. Sure most of The Bible was probably forged in the 6th Century AD but guess who did the forging? God! Clearly thought the story He had put in The Bible was better than what really happened so that makes it TRUTH™



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Hebrews - Supposedly a letter by Paul to Hebrews, it is none of the above. It's style indicates it certainly was not by Paul, and its theology is reaching for a Greek audience, not Jewish.

James - Supposedly written by James, brother of Jesus, scholars place it to the late 1st/early 2nd century, after James' death.

1 Peter - Supposedly written by Peter, most likely written after Peter's death from 75-112 CE
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Hebrews - Supposedly a letter by Paul to Hebrews, it is none of the above. It's style indicates it certainly was not by Paul, and its theology is reaching for a Greek audience, not Jewish.
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James - Supposedly written by James, brother of Jesus, scholars place it to the late 1st/early 2nd century, after James' death.
Oh, and next you are going to try to tell me that the Book of John was not written by a fisherman!

They had the power of tongues! They could write in any language available to them at the time!

The Holy Spirit can grant you that Gift if you will only let Him!
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2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?


Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.




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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-17-2010, 06:42 AM

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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-17-2010, 04:18 PM

2 Peter - Another forgery made in the name of Peter. First of all, it's writing style is completely different from 1 Peter, so it's definitely not the same author. It was also clearly written long after Peter's lifetime. The letter quotes other books of the New Testament as Scripture, suggesting that they had been circulating and gained acceptance for some time already. The book has elements of second century Gnosticism. And the whole point of the letter is to encourage people even though Jesus' second coming STILL hasn't come, which suggests it was written well after the Apostles' time.

1 John - Among the most controversial verses of the Bible is an explicit reference to what some people consider the trinity, the Comma Johanneum, (1 John 5:7-8). These verses do not appear in any version of the text prior to the ninth century, but do appear in the King James Bible, something Isaac Newton commented on in An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture. This is sometimes used as evidence to counter the King-James-Only Movement. About the year 800, the Comma appeared in some texts of the Latin Vulgate, and was subsequently translated into Greek and added to later Greek manuscripts. Bart Ehrman suggests in his book Misquoting Jesus that the King James Version would not have included the passage if Desiderius Erasmus had not given in to pressure to include it in the Textus Receptus even though he doubted its authenticity.

2 John - This letter, written as a rebuttal of Gnosticism, suggests a late dating, and therefore, cannot be the work of the Apostle John.

3 John - Written around 100-110 CE, definitely not the within John's lifetime.
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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-17-2010, 04:21 PM

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To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 06-19-2010, 03:53 PM

Jude - Supposedly the work of Jude, brother of James, it was probably written in the late 1st/early 2nd century CE, after the time of the original Apostles. It references the Apostles as though they were people of the past, and also mentions Christian traditions as though they existed for a while already, and refutes Gnosticism, a belief of the 2nd century.
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This clearly demonstrates what happens when women are allowed on the Internet without a man to supervise them.


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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 08-01-2010, 05:39 PM

Dobri Dien Bogdana

Great work!

To bad it wont be a sticky...

I am looking forward to your analysis of Revelations...

was it really some zonked out monk high on bad cocaine?


Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 08-01-2010, 08:57 PM

What kind of foreigner's Commie Bible are you reading there, anyway?
You surely aren't talking about the way and the Truth of Jesus Christ that Landoverians believe...

There's no way men could have written the Bible, uninspired. It was God who gave these people free will to open their hearts and believe in Him and listen to His word to share it with the masses forever. Praise Him!

You are undermining the word of God, and that is BLASPHEMY!
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"Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin. And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."


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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 08-02-2010, 07:15 PM

Allah wrote the Bible.
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Default Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...) - 08-03-2010, 04:07 AM

@ Zordiana
Allah wrote diddlysquat.

For thousands of years since the creation of the earth by god my ancestors have taught me the word of God.
It has to be the true word of god.
Look what happened to the Babylonians' Dragon they worship. It turned to diddlysquat.
It died of food poisoning because it is not the true savior or the creator.


Bel and the Dragon 27: So Daniel took some tar, some fat, and some hair and boiled them all together. He made cakes out of the mixture and fed them to the dragon. When the dragon ate them, it swelled up and burst open. "That's the kind of thing you Babylonians worship," said Daniel.
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