[sinnerbutsaved]

This has concerned me irrationally for some time. What were the final words of Jesus?

In English:
1. It is finished. (John 19:30)
2. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Mark15:34, Matthew27:46)
3. Father, into your hands I commend my spirit. (Luke23:46)

Could it be all of the above? Were they all hearing this and heard what Jesus was telling them personally?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by sinnerbutsaved

This has concerned me irrationally for some time. What were the final words of Jesus?

In English:
1. It is finished. (John 19:30)
2. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Mark15:34, Matthew27:46)
3. Father, into your hands I commend my spirit. (Luke23:46)

Could it be all of the above? Were they all hearing this and heard what Jesus was telling them personally?

Of course it was all of the above like it says in The Bible. Where is the problem?

[Deaner]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Of course it was all of the above like it says in The Bible. Where is the problem?

Unfortunately some people just don't get it Bobby-Joe. He can understand a video game with forest elves in mini-skirts; but the Bible is beyond their comprehension.

[sinnerbutsaved]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Of course it was all of the above like it says in The Bible. Where is the problem?

k, thats what I thought

[aguaw1]

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

He was telling you to Read

Psalm 22

1My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.



ETC..


What was happening at this Time of Horror?


A Darkness Fell Over Them. Jesus Said in a Tongue known only to him.


A Veil Of Darkness Falls Upon My Face. He Went to Sleep

[Proud Confederate]

The reason their are multiple accounts of the Last words of the savior, is simply due to the fact that their were multiple witnesses to the truth. Perception is the foundation of all physical reality

Spatial dimensions< Duration< Perception

As no object could exist without duration, thus could be said about Humanity's ability to view the said duration (or a moment in time). The human element: the ability to prospect reality, is fundamental to existence, what else is there if not a human to observe? to conclude based on the evidence presented before him? to judge according to the best of his ability. Even moreso, what is a Man without God to make judgement upon him?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

The reason their are multiple accounts of the Last words of the savior, is simply due to the fact that their were multiple witnesses to the truth. Perception is the foundation of all physical reality

(New-Age woo-woo deleted)

Dear friend:

There were multiple witnesses, yes, but the Gospels were inspired by a single God, and God's perception is the only one that counts. God had a strong interest in seeing that all four of the Holy Gospels were historically accurate and in harmony with one another, especially in this regard, since we are talking about the most important holiday weekend in the history of the universe.

[Proud Confederate]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Dear friend:

There were multiple witnesses, yes, but the Gospels were inspired by a single God, and God's perception is the only one that counts. God had a strong interest in seeing that all four of the Holy Gospels were historically accurate and in harmony with one another, especially in this regard, since we are talking about the most important holiday weekend in the history of the universe.

Friend, That "New Age woo-woo" you deleted was the fundamental Principle that founded Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity... how the initial 4 dimensions of percievable reality are just that: Founded upon perception, a 5th recognized dimension.

Just because there are multiple percievable realities doesnt mean any of them are incorrect.

And yes brother, there is only one God. PRAISE HIM!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

Friend, That "New Age woo-woo" you deleted was the fundamental Principle that founded Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity... how the initial 4 dimensions of percievable reality are just that: Founded upon perception, a 5th recognized dimension.

Just because there are multiple percievable realities doesnt mean any of them are incorrect.

And yes brother, there is only one God. PRAISE HIM!

So, you're praising Jews now?

Interesting turn, coming from a purported Klansman.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

First, we don't follow any "science" that can't be backed up with the King James Bible. Second, even if we did, we'd have to note that according to the secular mythology of "modern science," the theory of relativity is based on a four-dimensional Minkowski spacetime (x, y, z, ict) and that higher dimensions have been hypothesized to unify the various fundamental forces of physics, none of which is perception. (Of course, none of them is God either, which just goes to show you how little we can trust the scientists.)

[Proud Confederate]

The glory of god is intelligence. Truth is of God. surely you can agree than all order originates from the graces of the lord. When you can prove E=Mc^2 is incorrect, Ill hate einstein.

And FYI, I wasn't in the slightest refering to Unifcation of Electromagnetism+Gravity and Quantum mechanics... What is duration without perception? how is it even quantifiable, without a human to measure its value?

PRAISE THE LORD!

[James Hutchins]

Hmmmm confusing 'science' with religon............

[Proud Confederate]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Hmmmm confusing 'science' with religon............

The purpose of science is to explain Truth. That truth is God created all things. It is not a crime to figure out how he did it? we glorify god by acknowledging the wonders he has given us! and to truly appreciate them, we must learn how they work. You mean to tell me you've never figured out how all of the gifts god has given functions? How do you live? how do you button up a shirt, turn on the television, operate your computer?

You seek out its functionality, so that you may enjoy it to the fullest!

Thank god for the ifts he has given you! PRAISE HIM!

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

The purpose of science is to explain Truth. That truth is God created all things. It is not a crime to figure out how he did it? we glorify god by acknowledging the wonders he has given us! and to truly appreciate them, we must learn how they work. You mean to tell me you've never figured out how all of the gifts god has given functions? How do you live? how do you button up a shirt, turn on the television, operate your computer?

You seek out its functionality, so that you may enjoy it to the fullest!

Thank god for the ifts he has given you! PRAISE HIM!

I do not question God.

'Science' questions all he has done and poorly attempts to explain/'prove' that God did not create anything.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

The purpose of science is to explain Truth. That truth is God created all things. It is not a crime to figure out how he did it?

When your "results" contradict His Holy word yes. Now enough with this superstitious nonsense. TRUE Christians have no time for stuff dreamed up by men who claim to talk to invisible men.

[Proud Confederate]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

When your "results" contradict His Holy word yes. Now enough with this superstitious nonsense. TRUE Christians have no time for stuff dreamed up by men who claim to talk to invisible men.

Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Proverbs 2:5

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Proverbs 2:5

Yes, and were does it say "threw the teachings of crack pot Germans with funny hair"?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

What is duration without perception? how is it even quantifiable, without a human to measure its value?

Why is there any requirement of a human to measure its value? Genesis tells us that there were days before God created man.

[Proud Confederate]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Why is there any requirement of a human to measure its value? Genesis tells us that there were days before God created man.

Obviously, after all, the first commandment to man was to replenish the earth...

But as to what these days consisted of, we do not know.

but consider this:

lets examine the basic perception of time. if time functions infinitely, without a beginning or an end, we can deduce that a specified point in time, would be infinitely small, thus, we can conclude, that a specified beginning would be undefinable...

There was no beginning... and even if there was, if would be infinitely small being time itself is unceassing, and being undefineable, how could we quantify its existence...

Defining the days before the earth is impossible... The Bible has no information on anything before earth

[aguaw1]

Originally Posted by Proud Confederate

The glory of god is intelligence. Truth is of God. surely you can agree than all order originates from the graces of the lord. When you can prove E=Mc^2 is incorrect, Ill hate einstein.

And FYI, I wasn't in the slightest refering to Unifcation of Electromagnetism+Gravity and Quantum mechanics... What is duration without perception? how is it even quantifiable, without a human to measure its value?

PRAISE THE LORD!

You are right Proud Confederate. One of the Glories of God is Intelligence. But that is not his Vltimate Glory. But it is a Vitamin to it. Love is Gods Ultimate Glory.

The Plan the Great Plan. A Plan Has to Have Intelligent Design. And the Lords Plan was Intelligent plus the Power Of Love Based On the Concept of a Family Structure.

The Lords Final Ascension to Becoming His Father. To Save His Father Before Him. A trip back in Time I guess you could say. Before the Family Broke Up.

Electromagnetism+Gravity and Quantum mechanics...

From your words Proud Confederate I understand that E=Mc^2 are not = EGQ for fun your Egg Everyone's Good Queen. Mother Earths...

EGQ almost Looks like EGO.

Einstein was right in One Direction He Multiplied the Force. He Separated it but Had No Ideal On How to Bring it Back together. His Plan was Half Ass a little in the Backward Direction. But a Good Part of the Plan if Used Correctly.

A Father's Plan is to Save His Family. A Mothers Plan is to Save Her Family.