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Following the whole Bible means following the Commandments of God; all 10 of them. John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
Actually, since Jesus was God (and God was Jesus PLUS the Holy Spirit), He was referring to all 613 of the mitzvot found within Torah law, as dictated to the Joos. Notice that Jesus never said to keep just the 10 in Exodus 20?

In any event, I was unfortunately required to install electrical equipment at a SDA hospital many years ago, and could not even find a Coca-Cola! And when I lit a cigarette outside the boiler room after a hard day's work, I was chastised and nearly run off the grounds by the idiots. And I find NO commandment at all against such harmless activity?

I will pray for you, my friend. And I am sorry you have been sucked into such a vile cult as the SDA. But Ellen White was probably a frustrated and filthy lesbainian, looking for an outlet to control others so she could sleep at night, even as she and her husband spent their days promoting heresy and fraud.

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Default Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist - 06-18-2017, 01:13 AM

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You're confused, dear. You've been lied to by a group that was founded by a woman who didn't know the Holy Scriptures (1 Timothy 2:12). You can tell the tree by its fruit, and the fruit of this particular tree has produced countless pedophiles, not unlike Satan's other favorite cult, the Roman Catholic Church. JWs are such a dangerous group even the bold and rugged commies in Russia are afraid of them and have decided to get rid of them before their soulless vermin-like qualities unleash a Spiritual Bubonic Plague o'er the land.

What you want to do is read the Holy Bible as written in the King James Version, Jesus' personal favorite. He personally sees to the integrity of His Holy Word, but you have to beware of false bibles. You can join us! Landover Bapitist Church Bible Study: Bible in a Year.


Thank you for the warm invite. But to address your point; I am anything but confused. I know very well my system of beliefs; a belief that is founded upon solid ground (the KJV Bible). Pedophiles come from all faiths, cultures, and creeds, same for homosexuals and transgender folks. They exist even in the Baptist faith as well, so do not be deceived.


We must have our beliefs substantiaed by the solid ground of the Bible. Luke 6:47-49 "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.


What is your opinion of your fellows in the Seventh Day Baptist Church? Do they have it wrong? (Supporting scripture please)


I still would like a confirmation of Sunday sacredness from the Bible....let it be the King James as you suggested. You may want to read up on this as well: http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/catholicchurchchangedsabbathsunday.html


P.S. SDA was founded by William Miller a man. EGW was his wife. The Bible does in fact support prophesy. Biblesupports the gift of prophesy, See Acts 2:17 “And it shall come to pass in thelast days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and yoursons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,and your old men shall dream dreams:”


See also: TheBible acknowledges female prophets, Miriam (Micah 6:4), Deborah (Judges 4:4),Huldah (Kings 22:14), Noadiah (Nehemiah 6:14), Isaiah’s wife (Isaiah 8:3), Anna(Luke 2:36), and the daughters of Phillip (Acts 21:8-9)



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Thank you for the warm invite. But to address your point; I am anything but confused. I know very well my system of beliefs; a belief that is founded upon solid ground (the KJV Bible)....
You believe your religion is founded upon solid ground. A belief isn't knowledge, dear. A belief is simply an assumption that your idea is correct, or rather, correct enough to proceed. You're saying that you are simply going on through life as if your religious belief is accurate, without bothering to actually consider the facts. That tells me that you're not interested in the Truth but in protecting your [fragile?] emotions. That's awfully childish. No offense.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Default Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist - 06-18-2017, 01:36 AM

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Actually, since Jesus was God (and God was Jesus PLUS the Holy Spirit), He was referring to all 613 of the mitzvot found within Torah law, as dictated to the Joos. Notice that Jesus never said to keep just the 10 in Exodus 20?

In any event, I was unfortunately required to install electrical equipment at a SDA hospital many years ago, and could not even find a Coca-Cola! And when I lit a cigarette outside the boiler room after a hard day's work, I was chastised and nearly run off the grounds by the idiots. And I find NO commandment at all against such harmless activity?

I will pray for you, my friend. And I am sorry you have been sucked into such a vile cult as the SDA. But Ellen White was probably a frustrated lesbainian, looking for an outlet to control others so she could sleep at night, even as she and her husband spent their days promoting heresy and fraud.

In Christ Jesus
Nicotine is harmful, my dear. It has caused undue suffering and death for tens of millions over the years, and enriched those who profit from it. As far as it relates to the commandments, Thou shall not kill. Your body is considered the temple of God. See below scripture.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


As for 613 in the Torah, that is still not the 10 Commandments. Torah is for Jewish edification that ceased at the cross, and the 10 Commandments is for all mankind. The 10 Commandments is a transcript of God's character. 1 Peter 1:16


As far as your comment of EGW being a probable lesbian, stick with what you can prove as fact, not heresay or rumor. That is half your problem and why you worship on the wrong day. You don't observe F-A-C-T-S. Your lesbian assertion would be as rediculous as me saying that Thomas Helwys or John Smythe were a couple of probable cross-dressers. Stick with facts.


I shall pray for you, my misguided friend; a slave to Rome's doctrines. Rev 13:3 “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.


I still await a scripture verse(s) supporting your basis for Sunday observance.
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You believe your religion is founded upon solid ground. A belief isn't knowledge, dear. A belief is simply an assumption that your idea is correct, or rather, correct enough to proceed. You're saying that you are simply going on through life as if your religious belief is accurate, without bothering to actually consider the facts. That tells me that you're not interested in the Truth but in protecting your [fragile?] emotions. That's awfully childish. No offense.


I am very much in touch with my religious beliefs. They are all grounded upon the solid ground. (KJV Bible). Facts are facts regarding doctrine, and they check hand in hand with the Bible. Isaiah 28:10


Your reply (no offense) is still without scriptural evidence and without merit. Knowledge is in the scriptures and they (scriptures) are infallible.


You still (as was the other attacker) are unable to, using scripture, support your observance of the Papal Sabbath.


Matthew 15:10 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
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You believe your religion is founded upon solid ground. A belief isn't knowledge, dear. A belief is simply an assumption that your idea is correct, or rather, correct enough to proceed. You're saying that you are simply going on through life as if your religious belief is accurate, without bothering to actually consider the facts. That tells me that you're not interested in the Truth but in protecting your [fragile?] emotions. That's awfully childish. No offense.




P.S. I have just received a total of 3 "infraction notices" from you in my email. Are you about to ban me from further dialogue on here? If so, that would be very childish. I am not violating any rules. At least not freedom of speech.


Rather than ban me, enrich me with your "vast knowledge" of the scriptures and show me the so-called error of my ways so that I too, can believe in the Papal Sabbath.
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...I still await a scripture verse(s) supporting your basis for Sunday observance.
As a disinterested observer (for the record, I think both you and the True Christians™ are insane), I have to ask if you realize just how many times over the last 2000-ish years our calendar (and hence dates and days of the week) has been "adjusted" (you may also substitute "mangled", "shredded", or "pretty much scrapped and tossed in the bin")?

Add that to the (unknown to anyone in ancient Israel) fact of 24+ time zones around the world (meaning it's already tomorrow somewhere), what point could harassing someone over which day of the week they choose to insult their own intelligences by having a playdate with their imaginary-friend-of-choice prove, beyond showcasing the desperation involved on both sides?

Why not concentrate on something inarguable, like how much buttsex offends Jesus? Answer: any buttsex at all.


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You believe your religion is founded upon solid ground. A belief isn't knowledge, dear. A belief is simply an assumption that your idea is correct, or rather, correct enough to proceed. You're saying that you are simply going on through life as if your religious belief is accurate, without bothering to actually consider the facts. That tells me that you're not interested in the Truth but in protecting your [fragile?] emotions. That's awfully childish. No offense.


Mary, read below what the Catholics (not me) have said about you Sunday-observing Christians....


“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”
“I am going to propose a very plain and serious question to those who follow ‘the Bible and the Bible only’ to give their most earnest attention. It is this: Why don’t you keep holy the Sabbath day?...
“The command of the Almighty God stands clearly written in the Bible in these words: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work.’ Exodus 20:8-10...
“You will answer me, perhaps, that you do keep the Sabbath; for that you abstain from all worldly business and diligently go to church, and say your prayers, and read your Bible at home every Sunday of your lives...
“But Sunday is not the Sabbath day. Sunday is the first day of the week: the Sabbath day is the seventh day of the week. Almighty God did not give a commandment that men should keep holy one day in seven; but He named His own day, and said distinctly: ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’; and He assigned a reason for choosing this day rather than any other - a reason which belongs only to the seventh day of the week, and cannot be applied to the rest. He says, ‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it’, Exodus 20:11, Genesis 2:1-3. Almighty God ordered that all men should rest from their labor on the seventh day, because He too had rested on that day: He did not rest on Sunday, but on Saturday. On Sunday, which is the first day of the week, He began the work of creation; He did not finish it. It was on Saturday that He ‘ended His work which he had made: and God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.’ Genesis 2:2-3...
“Nothing can be more plain and easy to understand than all this; there is nobody who attempts to deny it. It is acknowledged by everybody that the day which Almighty God appointed to be kept holy was Saturday, not Sunday. Why do you then keep holy the Sunday and not Saturday?
“You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! But by whom? Who has the authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’, who shall dare to say, ‘Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the seventh day: but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?’ This is a most important question, which I know not how you answer...
“You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet, in so important a manner as the observance of one day in seven as the holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded. The command to keep holy the seventh day is one of the Ten Commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding. Who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible, and the Bible only you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.” Excerpts from “Why Don’t You Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?”, pages 3-15 in The Clifton Tract, vol. 4, published by the Roman Catholic Church 1869.
“The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God, and having been closely studied with the Bible in hand, leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, commanded by their teacher, the Bible, or, unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, which enjoins the keeping of Sunday, and which they have accepted in direct opposition to their teacher, the Bible, consistently accept her (the Catholic Church) in all her teachings. Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” James Cardinal Gibbons, in Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.


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As for 613 in the Torah, that is still not the 10 Commandments. Torah is for Jewish edification that ceased at the cross, and the 10 Commandments is for all mankind.
You are not aware that Exodus 20 (the TC) is the second book of the Pentateuch, and therefore very much Torah Law?


And when you can post Scripture wherein Jesus says to obey only the TC, and categorically dismiss ALL of the other 603 commandments He dictated as God, I might change my opinion that you are simply, and unfortunately, ignorant.


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[QUOTE=Didymus Much;1215400]As a disinterested observer (for the record, I think both you and the True Christians™ are insane), I have to ask if you realize just how many times over the last 2000-ish years our calendar (and hence dates and days of the week) has been "adjusted" (you may also substitute "mangled", "shredded", or "pretty much scrapped and tossed in the bin")?

Add that to the (unknown to anyone in ancient Israel) fact of 24+ time zones around the world (meaning it's already tomorrow somewhere), what point could harassing someone over which day of the week they choose to insult their own







Nothing is too hard for God. 24+time zones is no hindrance to divine power. God instituted the Sabbath at creation. He would not ask us to observe it if it could not be done. Anyways, if you are an atheist, then I suppose it does not matter. But if you believe in God, then you obey.


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Default Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist - 06-18-2017, 02:22 AM

Don't be such a bully. I may not be as fast a poster as you, but that doesn't mean I deserve to be rushed and rudely treated.

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I am very much in touch with my religious beliefs. They are all grounded upon the solid ground. (KJV Bible). Facts are facts regarding doctrine, and they check hand in hand with the Bible. Isaiah 28:10
Beliefs aren't right because one feels "in touch" with them, dear. The pope is "in touch" with his religious belief, as are the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Wiccans. Do you argue they also all have beliefs grounded upon the solid ground because they can pluck out various verses to lend the illusion of legitimacy?

If JW theology was solid, it would not be fraught with false predictions and failed prophecies. Your church reminds one of the cartoon that shows the folly of churches created by man.






As far as Sunday worship is concerned, please consider what the Bible has to say, as well as the context around which these verses appear:
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,
Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7
Clearly Sunday was set aside to be a day for preaching and sharing a meal in remembrance.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Revelation 1:10
Another reference to Sunday.

In Greek one reads ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ καὶ ἤκουσα ὀπίσω μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος

The kyriake hemera is the Lord's Day reference and the kyriake is actually the root of the word "Church," so the whole True Church is build with Sunday as the day of the service.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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You are not aware that Exodus 20 (the TC) is the second book of the Pentateuch, and therefore very much Torah Law?


And when you can post Scripture wherein Jesus says to obey only the TC, and categorically dismiss ALL of the other 603 commandments He dictated as God, I might change my opinion that you are simply, and unfortunately, ignorant.


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Is that your best comeback and effort at a rebuttal? Weak at best. You STILL can't and have not provided any scripture whatsoever regarding Sunday observance. Do you simply not care enough about proving Sunday, or do you not know the Scriptures????Iknow if I believed in the Papal Sabbath (Sunday), I sure would provide any and all scripture to back it up! Sounds like you are the one who is ignorant. I'll make it real S-I-M-P-L-E, provide just one single verse that upholds Sunday sacredness. You can do it, try real hard......
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Don't be such a bully. I may not be as fast a poster as you, but that doesn't mean I deserve to be rushed and rudely treated.



Beliefs aren't right because one feels "in touch" with them, dear. The pope is "in touch" with his religious belief, as are the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Wiccans. Do you argue they also all have beliefs grounded upon the solid ground because they can pluck out various verses to lend the illusion of legitimacy?

If JW theology was solid, it would not be fraught with false predictions and failed prophecies. Your church reminds one of the cartoon that shows the folly of churches created by man.






As far as Sunday worship is concerned, please consider what the Bible has to say, as well as the context around which these verses appear:
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,
Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7
Clearly Sunday was set aside to be a day for preaching and sharing a meal in remembrance.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Revelation 1:10
Another reference to Sunday.

In Greek one reads ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ καὶ ἤκουσα ὀπίσω μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος

The kyriake hemera is the Lord's Day reference and the kyriake is actually the root of the word "Church," so the whole True Church is build with Sunday as the day of the service.


That is not a valid point at all. It mentions "the first day" of the week. It is not referred to as the Sabbath. The second reference says "the lord's day" From that info, how do you know it is in regards to Sunday??? You will notice that there is no mention of the 7th day in the New Testament. instead, it is referred to as the Sabbath.


Matthew 28:1 "Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week, began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." This passage is right from KJV.


Your scripture reference only calls it the "first day of the week" Just like it does in Matt 28:1 We can gather from this scripture that the first day of the week was preceded by the 7th day Sabbath.


Preaching on the first day is not prima face evidence of a change, only that they met on the first day of the week. Why was it not referred to as the Sabbath as was the case in Matt 28:1 ??
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Is that your best comeback and effort at a rebuttal? Weak at best. You STILL can't and have not provided any scripture whatsoever regarding Sunday observance. Do you simply not care enough about proving Sunday, or do you not know the Scriptures????Iknow if I believed in the Papal Sabbath (Sunday), I sure would provide any and all scripture to back it up! Sounds like you are the one who is ignorant. I'll make it real S-I-M-P-L-E, provide just one single verse that upholds Sunday sacredness. You can do it, try real hard......
First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

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Jesus, who we follow, never treated the Jewish day of Sabbath or whatever with too much reverence. Paul taught the Jews on Saturday as how else could he have been able to gather them to hear him (and most of them refused and remain condemned).
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23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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I am not trying to be rude. Perhaps I came across a little curt in my manner. But this stems from the thinly veiled insults from yourself and the others. How do you feel bullied? No bully here on my end, that is not Christ-like.


So I now have a total of 4 infraction notices from you. So can I cash in my 400 points?
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Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here here uninvited, and unwelcome .

Jesus, who we follow, never treated the Jewish day of Sabbath or whatever with too much reverence. Paul taught the Jews on Saturday as how else could he have been able to gather them to hear him (and most of them refused and remain condemned). We follow Jesus while you follow Moses. He won't take you into Heaven but Jesus will take us (John 3:18).

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Dude you really are a buffoon of epic proportions, you know that? You are a Pastor??? Do you realize how stupid you actually sound, and look on here? You still can't provide a scripture verse to support your belief, and you are a pastor???? Did you mail order your pastor's certificate from Trump University???lol You are the reason people don't take religion seriously and see the hypocrisy in it. P.S. You look like a young Donald Trump!


Secondly, If I feel my rights are being violated, I don't need to contact your pastorship. If I felt that way I would just give my lawyer a ring and see you in Federal District Court. You have heard of this thing called the First Amendment, right?


You think Jesus will take you into heaven, and yet you knowingly disobey, and teach others to do the same? Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


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First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here here uninvited, and unwelcome .

Jesus, who we follow, never treated the Jewish day of Sabbath or whatever with too much reverence. Paul taught the Jews on Saturday as how else could he have been able to gather them to hear him (and most of them refused and remain condemned). We follow Jesus while you follow Moses. He won't take you into Heaven but Jesus will take us (John 3:18).

PS: You should never bare false witness against our POTUS.
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Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. But this does not indicate a change of the Sabbath and is not evidence that it was done away with either. The Jews placed all these burdens regarding Sabbath observance, and hand and utensil washing, etc. Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Jews condemned him for it. The lesson: it is good to do well on the Sabbath Day. Which was then and still is the 7th day.

PastorEzekiel wrote: "Jesus, who we follow, never treated the Jewish day of Sabbath or whatever with too much reverence."


Oh really??? You are kidding, right??? Then explain this verse: Luke 4:16 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom." Send your pastor certificate back to Trump University and request an immediate refund!

What was Jesus' purpose for doing so? The gospels reveal clearly His purpose: Luke 4:31 "Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people."
Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."


So Paul preached to the Jews AND the Greeks on the Sabbath day.

If it was a Jewish thing, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would preach to the non-jews (Greeks) on another day, perhaps the 1st????
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Default Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist - 06-18-2017, 05:19 AM

wkc127,

Thanks a lot for posting. There aren't a lot of people that know the Bible like you do. I sure don't. It takes me a week to get through half a chapter. My memory isn't what it used to be. It's a hard thing to keep all of God's Word in my mind at once. But I try.

You've given me a lot to think about. Frankly, it don't matter to me whether people think we're a joke or not. What matters is that we believe Jesus. If that makes us look dumb to the world, well, Jesus never said it was gonna be easy. He said it was gonna be hard.

Here's what I'm having trouble with. So the Bible keeps talking about the Sabbath. And It talks about the first day and such. But nowhere, in my memory, does it ever say Saturday or Sunday. And to me, I always learned that the day starts with Monday, when I go to work. That's not the Bible, that's Mama and Pop. I don't see where in the Bible God says that the Sabbath is Saturday or that the first day is Sunday. I just used one of those online Bibles because it searches so fast. I'm not sure I did it right.

This sounds really important. If I didn't have to labor 6 days to love God, I could just consider the whole weekend holy and play it safe. But because God said to labor for 6 days and rest for 1, I'm kinda stuck. Is this one of those things where God just made us each to guess either right or wrong? I know He does things like that.

I know we're not supposed to add to the Bible. I'm wondering how we're supposed to know which day is the 1st and which is the 7th without adding?


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Jesus, who we follow, never treated the Jewish day of Sabbath or whatever with too much reverence. Paul taught the Jews on Saturday as how else could he have been able to gather them to hear him (and most of them refused and remain condemned). We follow Jesus while you follow Moses. He won't take you into Heaven but Jesus will take us (John 3:18).

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Dear Racist Fake Pastor,

You can stop sending your lame little, corny infraction messages from your forum. I don't care about them and am unimpressed with the points. I have received a total of 5 from you and Mary. I gotta tell ya, you sure miss no opportunity to make a complete buffoon of yourself. You claim I am an atheist??? Now that makes a whole lot of sense (sarcasm). Far from it in fact!

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and is soon to return! If I were an atheist, would I champion the Lord's day? Saturday. You apparently believe in the supremacy of Papal Authority. They acknowledge changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and they actually admit that there is no scriptural authority on the matter! They openly make fun of Sunday observing Christians for observing a day that they changed!

You claimed that I "mock Christianity"??? Again, far from it! Your willing disobedience to God's law is a mockery! You must fall on your knees before the Cross and pray for divine power to overcome your ignorance, and cast off your shackles from Rome! Who will you obey? Will it be God and his word, or will you continue to obey the teaching and traditions of men and the Papal authority in Rome??? Sunday-observing Christians might as well rejoin with the Roman Catholic Church. After all, they tell you what day to worship on and you obey them implicitly!

Because you won't preach the truth about the true Sabbath, you will cause others to be damned just like yourself. Unless you repent and seek out the will of God, faith alone will not save. For we can not say "I believe, I believe" and yet go on sinning. For Jesus said in James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." Jesus is soon to return, we know not the day or hour, but we can know when it is near (Read Matt 24). Will he say to you and your clan on that day, as found in Matthew 7: 21-23 "“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Lawlessness is disobedience to God's Law! Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"

Revelation 14:6-126Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth-to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water." 8A second angel followed and said, "'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,' which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries." 9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name." 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.




You are a false pastor and an obvious redneck, but God still loves you. However, you have not a moment to lose! Human probation can close at any time now. The harvest is ripe.


Pass this on to Mary. I shall pray for you both.
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Default Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist - 06-18-2017, 02:13 PM


Romans 14:6

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[usual rubbish]
What you need to do is show what day 1 was.

Days of the week
  1. Monday
  2. Tuesday
  3. Wednesday
  4. Thursday
  5. Friday
  6. Saturday
  7. Sunday

Let's try your own methodology:

Where in the Bible does it say that the 7th day is Saturday???
A search is easy to do. I searched The Bible for your "Ceremonial Law" and what do you think resulted? Don't take my word for it. You can do the search yourself.

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Jesus only did away with the ceremonial law.
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