[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by Phil Ander

Friend, Ukraine is the aggressor. It refused to accept that it was a vassal state, and thus poked its nose at Russia. Zelensky is not a leader, he is a comedian. It's all coming back to bite him since he tried to make fun at Russia's expense.
The USA is only involved because of Biden's need to suppress the information on Hunter's laptop. People say that it connects Benghazi, Hilary's email server, Pizza pedophilia, Anthony Weiner, Vince Foster, Gorge Soros and Jeffery Epstein.
Phil

There is this old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished." Over there we see Putin trying to introduce an honest government to Ukraine. He wants to get to the bottom of Hunter and Joe's efforts to enrich themselves. As a reward for this good deed many thousands of his soldiers are killed. Where is the justice?

[Barry]

The US Government is lying to you and the rest of the world. The US Government has a long tradition of lying, in order to justify it's wars. It justified going to war against Spain by pretending the USS Maine was attacked by either mines or torpedoes, rather than a internal boiler fire, caused by using the wrong type of coal. It cooked up a whole croc of garbage in the Gulf of Tonkin to justify the invasion of Vietnam. This included claims of attacks that didn't happen and false flag attacks that claimed the lives of US citizens. That war cost the lives of three and half million. Lies were told to get the US population on board, before the invasion of Iraq. More than half of them, believed Saddam Hussein was in someway implicated in 9/11. More than 80% of them believed Saddam had WMD. The US Government is lying again today. If you support the West's fight against Putin, you're a gullible, know nothing.

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Jeremiah 7:8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not go unpunished and he that maketh lies shall not escape.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Originally Posted by Barry

<circuitous rambling deleted>

If you support the West's fight against Putin, you're a gullible, know nothing.

I don't agree with anything you said except that it somehow led you to the correct answer.

[Barry]

Originally Posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole

I don't agree with anything you said except that it somehow led you to the correct answer.

Few agree with anything I say. That's not because it's incorrect but because it challenges peoples preconceptions and that makes them feel uncomfortable. Jesus struggled with similar issues. Although his problem was not a Russian occupation but Roman one.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Originally Posted by Barry

Few agree with anything I say. That's not because it's incorrect but because it challenges peoples preconceptions and that makes them feel uncomfortable. Jesus struggled with similar issues. Although his problem was not a Russian occupation but Roman one.

Friend, it seems you and Jesus have a lot in common. It's a precious gift to know the right answer regardless of the facts, and make people uncomfortable. Are you more of a physical discomfort kind of guy or psychological? No judgement here, whatever works.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Originally Posted by Barry

Few agree with anything I say.

I explain why in this new debate thread.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Barry

Few agree with anything I say. That's not because it's incorrect but because it challenges peoples preconceptions and that makes them feel uncomfortable. Jesus struggled with similar issues. Although his problem was not a Russian occupation but Roman one.

I'll agree with you. There was a Roman occupation but Jesus is not reported as being ill-disposed towards them. In fact, the Roman military model was an example of His mission in the world.

Luke 7:1-3, 6-9
Now when he had ended all his sayings in the audience of the people, he entered into Capernaum.

[this would be one of the areas under occupation]

And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die. And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant . . . Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof: Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed.

For I also am a man set under authority,
having under me soldiers,
and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth;
and to another, Come, and he cometh;
and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Jesus is the boss of sickness. That servant was sick but the centurion knew that sickness is subordinate to a boss. He gave his reasons and Jesus agreed: it was an excellent comparison and once ordered to depart from the servant, that nasty sickness had no choice but to obey. If only others would ask Jesus to do that, to do the very thing He is longing to do, sick would be a thing of the past. How many more must suffer before this reality is understood?

[handmaiden]

Jesus also advised his people to pay proper respect for Caesar.

Mark 12:17

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marveled at him.




This is reason enough for the people of Ukraine to obey Russia, which had control of their territory for many centuries. It really is a slap in the face of Jesus for them to think that they can have their independence in that way.