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Default The resurrection of Isaac - 05-21-2022, 07:28 PM

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Today I will talk about one of the most overlooked miracles in the Bible: The resurrection of Abraham's beloved son, Isaac.

We are all familiar with how God tempted Abraham and ordered him to offer Isaac for a burnt offering (Genesis 22:2).

As is well known, God is not a man, that he should repent (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29), so from that moment on, Isaac was as good as dead. He was what we today would call "a dead man walking". Quite literally as it turns out, since Abraham saddled an ass for himself but not for his son.
Genesis 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
The troupe of travelers reached Mount Moriah (the future Temple Mount) on the third day, meaning that Isaac had now been dead for three days.
Genesis 22:4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.
As we all know, The LORD in his infinite mercy let his angel call out to Abraham from heaven saying, "Lay not thine hand upon the lad" (Genesis 22:12), and thus Isaac was made alive again. And on the third day !

An ordinary reader may not perceive the theological implications of this deed, but as True Christians™ we must always follow the principle of letting scripture interpret scripture, and what scripture tells us quite clearly is that Abraham in his heart of hearts knew that the Lord would resurrect his son, and that this was exactly what happened:
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Hebrews 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Abraham knew God would resurrect Isaac because of "the promises offered up his only begotten son" (as promised in Genesis 17:19), and God who never repents (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29) made good his promise and raised his son up and delivered him from the dead on the third day.

The moral is that the Lord may smite us and bind us, but on the third day He will raise us.
Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.


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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-22-2022, 11:32 AM

Heretics also promote a broad segue between life and death. Balinese savages, operating on a reverse paradigm, imagine that corpses are still alive but ailing. God on the other hand knew that David's young son, in whom David had all his hopes, was blasted to lingering agony hour upon hour, minute upon minute, each second worse than the one before, agony upon agony until at last God killed the thing.
II Samuel 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
David had been carrying on with Bathsheba. By human standards perhaps David should have suffered. God has different standards. The baby was the one to die, die horribly, agony upon agony because of what its father had done.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-...esia/101059672

Savages have a different standard. Instead of cadavers being divorced from life, they're half way along to death which at least preserves us from made-up documents nobody's ever seen amalgamating divers claims into a retroactive stage design. Unsuccessfully. Isaac without God would be forever a corpse. Corpses do not produce babies. QED.
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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-22-2022, 12:24 PM

Forgive me Sister, but it doesn't really matter what the savages on The Isle of Pingo Pongo or elsewhere think.

The only opinion that matters in God's Church is God's, and according to His own Word, Abraham and Isaac died in faith.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[ . . . ]
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten [son],
[ . . . ]
Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
David's child, on the other hand, died before he accepted Jesus as his personal Savior. That's why the unfortunate child to this day is tormented in Hell, while Father Abraham and Isaac are with Jesus in paradise (Luke 13:28; 16:22). Shout GLORY.


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The troupe of travelers reached Mount Moriah (the future Temple Mount) on the third day, meaning that Isaac had now been dead for three days.

The moral is that the Lord may smite us and bind us, but on the third day He will raise us.
Beautiful, just beautiful. That has been bringing the most hardened of atheists to Jesus for centuries.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Hebrews 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
God just amazes me all the time. I am grateful for your critical exegesis and accept it as God's Truth.





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Thanks for those posts straightening out my confusion. I have read Hebrews again and am puzzled about this King with no father and no mother. Does that mean he existed before his parents were born? It would be helpful to know the correct position in case someone asks me.
Hebrews 7:1-3
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-23-2022, 10:52 PM

The point is that Jesus is a priest "after the similitude of Melchisedec" i.e. a man who did not belong to any Jewish tribe. In this manner he is a type of Jesus who doesn't have an earthly father either.

Melchizedek was priest of the most high God (Genesis 14:18) and as your quote shows, Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek (see Genesis 14:20), which means that he was more godly than Abraham, who would later become the great-grandfather of Levi, so by implication Melchizedek was greater than any Levite high priest would ever be.

If you read a little further in the chapter you quoted from, you'll find:

Hebrews 7,14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus is the son of David and hence from the tribe of Juda (see Revelation 5:5). So he would have been unable to serve as a high priest -- if he had been an ordinary man.

But Jesus is not an ordinary man, he is another priest "after the similitude of Melchisedec".
Hebrews 7,15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
As you say, Melchisedec is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days. so he is a type of Jesus, who is also without (earthly) father and who was born of the Father before all ages.

That's why Jesus is not tied to the tribe of Juda, He's the son of God.
Hebrews 7,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Hebrews 7,17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
God therefore has long ago appointed Jesus to be a high priest in the manner of Melchizedek, "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek" (see Psalm 110:4).

Since Jesus is greater than Melchizedek, who is greater than Abraham, who was greater than Isaac, who was greater then Jacob, who was greater than Levi, who was greater than all Levites, the problem is solved. Jesus can be the Son of David and at the same time function as a heavenly high priest.

There is not a thing that God cannot do.


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I'll tell my friend that Melchizedek was a pre-incarnation appearance of Jesus. Levi paid tithes to Him because Levi was inside Abraham Hebrews 7:10.

That sounds like a little homunculus. Could a homunculus receive Salvation? If not, a lot of them must suffer when men die before they marry.
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That sounds like a little homunculus. Could a homunculus receive Salvation? If not, a lot of them must suffer when men die before they marry.
We theologians prefer to speak of "seed", but other than that you are correct. The everlasting covenant was made with Isaac's seed, or his homunculi, as you call them:
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That's why Abraham had faith. Refer to the quote in my little monograph again:
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Hebrews 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Abraham had faith in "the promises offered up", and that promise was that "in Isaac shall thy seed be called" (as we have just seen), so Abraham knew God would resurrect Isaac and all his "homunculi".


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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-25-2022, 11:52 AM

I see. So eliminating one seed equates with eliminating everything within it forever. Wow. If only Adam had not rejected God's companion opportunity suggestions. Creation as it was would have been sufficient.

Now this.
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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-25-2022, 01:19 PM

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I see. So eliminating one seed equates with eliminating everything within it forever. Wow. If only Adam had not rejected God's companion opportunity suggestions. Creation as it was would have been sufficient.

Now this.
Nah. The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe after drinking heavily.

The Pastafarian start of heaven includes a beer volcano and a stripper (as long as they are either male or have red hair and are preferred by Penelope) factory.

We are good. And for the seeds we plant, we like our veggies. For the record: here is the book of Penelope: <<< depraved link removed by moderator>>>

That, or more pasta (Recipe)


Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

Best wishes for the people in Ukraine.

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Default Re: The resurrection of Isaac - 05-25-2022, 02:24 PM

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I see. So eliminating one seed equates with eliminating everything within it forever. Wow. If only Adam had not rejected God's companion opportunity suggestions. Creation as it was would have been sufficient.
Yes, in Adam all have sinned. All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).


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1st Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1st Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1st Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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