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Default Science is the true way - 04-13-2010, 07:25 PM

Why shouldn't everything have a naturalistic explanation? Science has been dispelling supernatural ideas for centuries - it won't stop now.

In any event, there is no evidence of anything supernatural in our universe so the natural explanation is far more likely in any observation of phenomena we make.

Science provides the single explanation. Your ideas provide two assumptions: One, that something is supernatural and two, that it just happens to be your god and not Shiva, Odin, Allah, Zoroaster, etc.

Science provides us with real and tangible truths about our universe.
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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-13-2010, 07:27 PM

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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-13-2010, 07:42 PM

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Science provides us with real and tangible truths about our universe.
Like what? That the earth in 45 billion years old? That men are descendants of sea worms? Come on, Secularist science is a joke. If we are descendants of sea worms then why are there still worms? Does it look like I speak threw a gill?

No friend, you have a clear materialistic bias. You insist on clinging to naturalism in the face of mountains of evidence in The Bible. Stop being so close minded.



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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-13-2010, 07:53 PM

How may souls has sick-ular, monkey-worshiping science saved from eternal damnation?


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-13-2010, 08:15 PM

Science always changes, friend.

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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 01:29 AM

Science is a way to understand the world that God gave us. Scientists aren't trying to debunk the Bible, they're trying to better understand the world we live in. God made us all naturally curious, it would be insulting to Him if we didn't indulge that fact.
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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 01:48 AM

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God made us all naturally curious....
Would you care to back that up with Scripture?


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 01:58 AM

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Would you care to back that up with Scripture?
Do I need to? Isn't it blatantly obvious? EVERY human being is naturally inquisitive about almost everything.
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Do I need to?
As long as you claim to be a Christian, yes.

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Lots of things that are "blatantly obvious" to the modern secular outlook are wrong.

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That doesn't mean that God made us that way. Ever hear of the fall of man?


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 03:47 AM

Science is the TRUE WAY TO HELL!

If I gave you all the parts to a motorcycle in a giant bag and told you to shake them until they came together to make a running motorcycle you couldn't do it!

You would have to put them together with your hands. A living, THINKING being has to ENGINEER it. The Universe it not run by happen stance! A loving thoughtful creator had to design and engineer us and our Universe. Dummy.

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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 04:25 AM

If you put all the parts of a motorcycle in a bag and shook it for billions of years, i would wager eventually you would get something vaguely motorcycle-like in the end. Just like how eons of time allowed for simple primordial elements to combine into the complex proteins and compounds that organic matter is made of. The chances of shaking motorcycle parts into the shape of a motorcycle over millions of years is probably somewhere near the same odds of carbon nitrogen and other elements organizing themselves into living things around us today. The only difference is that environmental factors cant cause your motorcycle parts to line up in ways that better enable it to run. To be honest the chance of a person shaking a bag of parts into a motorcycle makes more sense to me personally than an invisible wizard snapping his fingers and causing a motorcycle to appear from mid-air.
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If you put all the parts of a motorcycle in a bag and shook it for billions of years, i would wager eventually you would get something vaguely motorcycle-like in the end. Just like how eons of time allowed for simple primordial elements to combine into the complex proteins and compounds that organic matter is made of. The chances of shaking motorcycle parts into the shape of a motorcycle over millions of years is probably somewhere near the same odds of carbon nitrogen and other elements organizing themselves into living things around us today. The only difference is that environmental factors cant cause your motorcycle parts to line up in ways that better enable it to run. To be honest the chance of a person shaking a bag of parts into a motorcycle makes more sense to me personally than an invisible wizard snapping his fingers and causing a motorcycle to appear from mid-air.
Really? That's one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on the internets.
Its sheer stupidity is amazing.

If I'm reading this correctly, your contention is that by shaking random parts you have a better chance of making a motorcycle than by a skilled blacksmith or creator doing the same thing.

This is stupid even by atheist standards.


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If you put all the parts of a motorcycle in a bag and shook it for billions of years, i would wager eventually you would get something vaguely motorcycle-like in the end. Just like how eons of time allowed for simple primordial elements to combine into the complex proteins and compounds that organic matter is made of. The chances of shaking motorcycle parts into the shape of a motorcycle over millions of years is probably somewhere near the same odds of carbon nitrogen and other elements organizing themselves into living things around us today. The only difference is that environmental factors cant cause your motorcycle parts to line up in ways that better enable it to run. To be honest the chance of a person shaking a bag of parts into a motorcycle makes more sense to me personally than an invisible wizard snapping his fingers and causing a motorcycle to appear from mid-air.
And so you are arguing that motorcycles just create themselves then?

Show me this mystical place where motorcycles magically assemble themselves out of random parts.

I think you've been watching too many movies about transforming robots. Put them out of your mind and pray to GOD for forgiveness. Maybe He will take pity and bestow you with some sense.


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 06:27 AM

Oh of course motorcycles procreate, why my brother put a Harley and a Kawasaki into winter storage. When he went back this spring, there it was! A little Vespa parked between the two.



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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 06:29 PM

Motorcycles lack the necessary gametes and genetic structure to procreate, but the point I was trying to get across is that if you spent billions of years shaking a bag of parts, yes, they would randomly assemble into a motorcycle. By random chance we were created, probability runs everything and given the amount of time I am talking about, anything could happen. The fact of the matter is a motorcycle and an organic living creature are two COMPLETELY different things. The theory of evolution describes survival of the fittest, genetic advantages leading towards specific members of a species having an increased chance to spread their genes. Motorcycles were engineered by people, organic matter was engineered by time and fortune.

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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 07:20 PM

I am always dumbfounded when people can look at the world around them and say it happened by chance. It's almost like they want it to be true. All the beautiful miracles of life, you just wish to explain with one big sweeping denial - "It was an accident"

How did the flower learn to entice the bee? Did it just happen by chance? A lucky accident?


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 07:30 PM

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I am always dumbfounded when people can look at the world around them and say it happened by chance. It's almost like they want it to be true. All the beautiful miracles of life, you just wish to explain with one big sweeping denial - "It was an accident"

How did the flower learn to entice the bee? Did it just happen by chance? A lucky accident?
Yes, how about the Sacculina barnacle? Do you think pure random chance gave it the ability to invade a crab's body, send tendrils threw the crab's body, lobotomize it's brain and turn it into a host for the Sacculina's eggs; slowly and painful transforming the male crab into a neutered female. Only our loving Savior could have come up with such horrific fate for a sinning animal like He did for those crabs.

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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 07:40 PM

Indeed. There are some harsh lessons from nature. There is much to be learned from beasts, but they are just that - beasts. Which is why GOD made us in His image.

We should be more concerned with what happens to our immortal soul when mortal flesh expires. It is not too late to invest in your soul, sinner. It will return with interest a thousand fold in the Afterlife.


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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 09:37 PM

What I am saying isn't a denial, its an acceptance. The miracle is in the fact that what happens does happen by chance. Yes, over millions of years I think the Sacculina barnacle developed the tendency to invade a crab and use it as a host. When I am told that I am insane for trying to deny a single entity being responsible for EVERYTHING, I wonder how others can believe that a single entity is responsible for EVERYTHING. I feel like it is almost the easy way out to just say God did this and that and that is why EVERYTHING is how it is. I challenge everyone to try and open their minds, think about alternatives. Grass is green because chlorophyl cells have evolved to absorb energy from the sun. Plant are fragrant and colorful because they have evolved to attract pollinators to reproduce. I am not denying the beauty or miracle of any of these occurrences, simply trying to understand how these things have come to be through eons of extremely SLOW change.

I didn't come on this forum to flame and troll, I only want to share my opinions in the hope that someone will read and begin to think more for themselves. The reason there are multiple editions of educational textbooks is because science is constantly finding out new things and realizing mistakes of old. The fact that most people only accept one edition of the bible leads me to believe that there is no thought in reading it, only blind obedience.
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Default Re: Science is the true way - 04-14-2010, 09:42 PM

So how did the flower learn to entice the bee?


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