[Ezekiel Bathfire]

As the pastor responsible for diversity and tolerance, I have become acutely aware of the increasing demonization of Moslems and thus it falls to me to say that although Mohammed was no more a prophet that the pope is, and although the Moslem view of Christ as merely another prophet is abhorrent and blasphemous, nevertheless there is common ground in the confused superstitions of the ill-educated sons of the desert and right-thinking Christian belief.

Not only that, but, from time to time, among the unreadable walls of text of the Koran, there is a glint of gold – an idea that, while it cannot be essential to Christian Faith, nevertheless enlightens the world in a very special way:

A question that the more intelligent Christians ask is “If men came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?” As yet, science so-called has avoided all answers to this – the atheist returns to name-calling, murder and drug-fuelled orgies, and Catholics have some far-fetched idea that nobody but a few Jesuits think they understand.

The True Christian knows the answer is that “God created each beast after its kind.” (Gen:1:25) And that would appear to be that – case closed.

However, we cannot ignore the doctrine of change in animals within a species for we see dogs and cats produce offspring not much like either parent.

Naturally, a lot of this is down to what the mother saw during her pregnancy

Ge:30:37: And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.
Ge:30:38: And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.
Ge:30:39: And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.

which answers the question “Where did the True Christian, Sharon Kinsman’s, black baby come from?” – Answer: “She was frightened by a nigra when she was 5 months gone.

And yet, we might question this explanation which sounds deceptive and much like complicated science. The explanation does not mention God – so how can it be an explanation? – for all things are “of God”.

I apologize that it has taken a long time to get here, but Islam does have an answer to the persistence of monkeys, and does explain why there are both men and monkeys – and most importantly – the explanation is true, because it involves God:

In the hopes that you might find some glimmer of hope for Salvation in the Islamist, I give you, in a spirit of diversity and tolerance, this gem from Islam:

Muhammad recounts a legend—not found in the Talmudists—about Jews fishing or working on the Sabbath in a town that tradition says was located on the Red Sea (vv. 163-167). God made fish appear on the surface only on the Sabbath, never on weekdays. This tempted some Jewish fishermen to break their holy day of rest, ignoring their teachers’ warnings. The Sabbath-breakers become so arrogant and deep in their violations that God says to them in the royal "We":
Sura 7:166 But when even after this they disdainfully persisted in that from which they were forbidden, We said to them, "Become apes—despised and disgraced!" (Maududi)

Sura 7:163-166, says that if the People of the Book (Jews and Christians, but he deals mostly with Jews in Medina) believe in Allah, the Day of Judgement, and do good, they will not suffer at judgement. However, Muhammad quotes God and issues a warning against Sabbath-breakers:
2:65 And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all." 66 Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people. (Maududi)

And
“The Jews are the objects of Allah’s [promised] wrath, while the Christians deviate from the path of righteousness. . . . The Qur’an described the Jews as a nation cursed by Allah, a nation at which he was angry — some of whom he turned into apes and pigs. . . .“ (Qari, undated)


And we have

Al-Tirmidhi (2152) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘Among this ummah those who disbelieve in the divine decree (al-qadr) will be swallowed up by the earth, transformed into monkeys and pigs or pelted with stones.” (Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 1748).
And al-Tirmidhi (2212) narrated from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among this ummah, people will be transformed into monkeys and pigs, swallowed up in the earth, and pelted with stones.” A man among the Muslims said, “O Messenger of Allaah, when will that be?” He said, “When singing-girls and musical instruments become widespread and wine is drunk.” (Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 1802). https://islamqa.info/en/14085

And of course, despite the best efforts of Landover and the Islamic World, singing-girls and musical instruments have become widespread and wine is drunk!

Many monkeys are therefore Jews who have displeased God and whom, therefore God has seen fit to turn into apes. I urge you to look at a rabbi and a monkey – the resemblances are remarkable.

Jews keep displeasing God, and so there will always be monkeys.

It is worth noting that recently, in Turkey, a Moslem state, a children’s text book has been produced that adequately deals with Darwin’s delusions:

The book on Darwin says the proponent of natural selection “had two problems: first he was a Jew; second, he hated his prominent forehead, big nose and misshapen teeth.” It adds that he threw nuts to monkeys at the zoo rather than go to school.

It is truly sad that people still hold with “evolution” and also sad that the Islamists seem unapproachable on the question of banding together with us to eradicate this ignorance.

I hope this sermon helps build bridges and reduce hatred in the world.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Pastor, your love for everyone of God's creations is really admirable.

I believe I have seen Jews mutating into monkeys near my house. Now I know why.


Praise the Lord!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

I believe I have seen Jews mutating into monkeys near my house. Now I know why.

Most interesting! I had imagined the process to be miraculously instant but to see the change happening must mean that you are, in some way, blessed and able to witness the detailed Work of God. I am envious (in a Godly way, of course.)

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

I believe I have seen Jews mutating into monkeys near my house. Now I know why.

That must have been terrifying, Brother Gonzalez! Thank you for the warning. There are (thankfully) very few Jews in my immediate area, and no monkeys at all, or at least none that I have seen. Do they mutate from the head down, or from the feet up? Like this ...



Brother Bathfire, is the thinking then that Darwin invented natural selection and evolution to conceal the fact that some (but not all) monkeys are ex-Jews? (When I say ex-Jews here, I don't mean ex-Jews in the sense of people who decided not to be Jews any more and, for example, became Christians. What I mean is monkeys that used to be Jews. Forgive me - it is difficult to explain.) You can see why he (i.e. Darwin) would have done that.

YiC
Joanna

[Jacob Cushman]

Great post! But would you mind telling me what exactly is wrong with Jews? If anything their religion is more similar to Christianity than Islam is.

[Alvin Moss]

There are considerable numbers of Jews in my general vicinity. However, there are no feral monkeys. If the Jews are turning into monkeys in my area, they are either quickly caught and placed into zoos and medical research facilities, they immediately leave the area and go to Louisiana or some similar place, or they are skilled at concealment.


It may be that the Jews are being turned to Negroes. There is some evidence that this could be the case. Negroes are often referred to as apes and monkeys. I have always assumed that these were derogatory terms directed at Negroes, due to their obvious close resemblance to monkeys, but perhaps there is more to the story.


While it would seem on the surface that Jews and Negroes are quite different in every way, there are striking similarities that cannot be ignored. While the Jews have developed sophisticated schemes to get White people to give them their money, the Negroes only seem to steal the money. However, it is clear that both groups spend considerable time scheming how to get the money of honest White people. Jews are lawyers, pawn shop owners, used furniture dealers and the like. Negroes are drug salesmen, burglars and rapists. The connection I see here is that neither group has normal, honest jobs. Also, they are all members of the same political party. Why would two seemingly disparate groups be so aligned politically? The Democrat party is primarily a Negroe organization, but there are a few White people involved. For some reason, almost all White Democrats are Jews (Jews are technically White).


These facts do not constitute a proven connection to the monkey/Jew theory, but it is certainly food for thought.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

Great post! But would you mind telling me what exactly is wrong with Jews? If anything their religion is more similar to Christianity than Islam is.

What does make you say that? Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet, which is obviously wrong, but at least they recognize Him as someone important, while Jews deny Jesus altogether. And, they killed Him.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

Great post! But would you mind telling me what exactly is wrong with Jews? If anything their religion is more similar to Christianity than Islam is.

Well, apart from the excellent answers that have already been given, there is nothing "technically" physically wrong with Jews - after all we can't all be good -looking Caucasians, can we? . God made us all, Jews included, through Noah's sons and that is that.

If God made them, they are "OK" because they have a soul. But it is the health of the Jew's soul that worries normal people - A Jew needs "perfecting" - bringing to Jesus and that involves stamping out horrible superstition, terrible practices, lust for money, and poisoning wells.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

Great post! But would you mind telling me what exactly is wrong with Jews? If anything their religion is more similar to Christianity than Islam is.

Jacob, I note that you have ignored the requirement that you properly introduce yourself, but you feel entitled to barge right into Christian discussions anyway. I believe that you are likely a Jew, due to your casually disruptive attitude and your name, which seems to be a Jew name. Perhaps you could provide useful information in spite of your Jewishness. Have any of your immediate family turned into monkeys, pigs or Negroes?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

Great post! But would you mind telling me what exactly is wrong with Jews? If anything their religion is more similar to Christianity than Islam is.

They killed Jesus?

What kind of a question is that for a Christian website. And they have ruined boxing, Hollywood, free press and they probably cause wars.

YIC

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

They killed Jesus?

What kind of a question is that for a Christian website. And they have ruined boxing, Hollywood, free press and they probably cause wars.

YIC

Also, bagels. Tasty but problematic.


Glutenly Yours,
Handmaiden

[Jacob Cushman]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

Jacob, I note that you have ignored the requirement that you properly introduce yourself, but you feel entitled to barge right into Christian discussions anyway. I believe that you are likely a Jew, due to your casually disruptive attitude and your name, which seems to be a Jew name. Perhaps you could provide useful information in spite of your Jewishness. Have any of your immediate family turned into monkeys, pigs or Negroes?

I'm sorry you feel this way.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

I'm sorry you feel this way.

What way might that be? Is this your idea of cleverly avoiding answering a simple question? If so, it is a complete failure. Now, kindly answer the question.

[Jacob Cushman]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

Now, kindly answer the question.

Well, no. My family is just fine. I was only asking a question to see what all the fuss was about.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Jacob Cushman

I was only asking a question to see what all the fuss was about.

The fuss is that the very Saviour of Mankind was killed by those people!

It is only Jesus' omniscience that made His death necessary for Him to Save mankind (the one's who accept Him) from His judgement that Mankind is damned to Hell without His Sacrifice to Himself to bring His justice to us by His Sacrifice.

So what do you think about the joos now, eh?

YIC

[Michael Hezekiah Esq]

Islam was unknown to most Jews during the Prophet Muhammad’s lifetime. It wasn’t until the Muslim conquest of Iraq, shortly after his death, that the leaders of Banu Yisrael first investigated Islam and ruled the Jewish people should consider Muslims as fellow monotheists. As time passed Judaism’s spiritual leaders, particularly those living in Muslim caliphates, began exploring the teachings of Muhammad and his companions. Upon immersing himself in Islamic study one of Judaism’s greatest rabbis, Maimonides, declared that the Muslim understanding of monotheism was without fault.


By the modern era the Jewish people, now familiar with the Message of Islam, fostered a deep respect for the Ummah recognizing their submission to One G_d, Allah, as righteous and exemplary.


The Christian version of Jesus is unacceptable to Jews, who consider the belief that G_d had a son, the trinity and praying to Mary are all acts of heresy. However, the Islamic account which rejects these positions by teaching that Jesus was a mortal man continuing the message of Noah, is compatible with Judaism and even shared by a few rabbis (although no major rabbis consider him a prophet).


We await Messiah just as our Islamic brothers await Muhammad Mahdi. My prayer is that all people can come together and live as one until our glorious Messiah reaches out His hand to the Jews as His chosen people and that Christians will repent of their heresy before the terrible judgment that will surely come.


I repeat my statement that the Jews did all we could to save Jesus of Nazareth but his stubbornness and delusions were far too ingrained within his psyche. At his death, he was little more than a rambling zealot, not willing to save himself because of his martyr complex. It's sad, because he was innately a good person. Had he listened to us, we could have kept him from facing Pilate and incurring the wrath of the Sanhedrin.


What a pity!

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by Michael Hezekiah Esq

I repeat my statement that the Jews did all we could to save Jesus of Nazareth but his stubbornness and delusions were far too ingrained within his psyche. At his death, he was little more than a rambling zealot, not willing to save himself because of his martyr complex. It's sad, because he was innately a good person. Had he listened to us, we could have kept him from facing Pilate and incurring the wrath of the Sanhedrin.
What a pity!

Mr. Jew, the Bible does not say he was a "rambling zealot."

Further, the Jews did not do "all we could to save Jesus of Nazareth." He had to whip the money changers out of the Temple by himself. You Jews could have helped.

And at the crucifixion, you Jews could have stormed the cross and taken it down. Football fans take down goalposts all the time.

I think you Jews have some explaining to do.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold

Mr. Jew, the Bible does not say he was a "rambling zealot."

Further, the Jews did not do "all we could to save Jesus of Nazareth." He had to whip the money changers out of the Temple by himself. You Jews could have helped.

And at the crucifixion, you Jews could have stormed the cross and taken it down. Football fans take down goalposts all the time.

I think you Jews have some explaining to do.

Brother Mr. Mayor, this Jew is practicing and refining his excuse for when he has to go before the Lord God for that final interview. We see the same thing when criminals of the secular sort are practicing their excuses ere they have to face the judge.

Whether it is lying to a judge or the Judge, the result is the same: They have heard it all before and it goes in one ear and out the other.

God has been sending the Jew to Hell for nearly two thousand years and this one here will join them before he knows it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Michael Hezekiah Esq

Upon immersing himself in Islamic study one of Judaism’s greatest rabbis, Maimonides, declared that the Muslim understanding of monotheism was without fault.

Well now I was rather sceptical, not that Maimonides should be internally contradictory but that his ravings would be cited on a Christian forum where adding to God's words is anathema. Maranatha.

GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED scroll down to Chapter XXXVI

I SHALL explain to you, when speaking on the attributes of God, in what sense we can say that a particular thing pleases Him, or excites His anger and His wrath, and in reference to certain persons that God was pleased with them, was angry with them, or was in wrath against them. This is not the subject of the present chapter; I intend to explain in it what I am now going to say. You must know, that in examining the Law and the books of the Prophets, you will not find the expressions “burning anger,” “provocation,” or “jealousy” applied to God except in reference to idolatry; and that none but the idolater called “enemy .. .. adversary,” or “hater of the Lord.”

Now from Maimonides' point of view, idolatry is very well described. It is something specific. Without going into immense detail it definitely includes making an engraved or wooden or cast likeness of any thing that is in heaven above. I say definitely because in chapter thirteen he explains how God's standard is unchanging and given to Moses establishing the nation as distinct in response to a request. He cites Deuteronomy, chapter five and specifically verses five & eighteen. Here they are with some context:

2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount; saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

and here is the second passage

23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
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Maimonides is emphasising that nothing stands between God and His people. When they were apprehensive that was OK, and Moses.–.a man, not a statue of a man or of a fish or the moon or a comet or centipede.–.stepped up so that the communication remained direct. He goes on about verbs for the next twenty-three chapters which you can read in the pdf, then the specific difference is aired. It is idolatry. In Deuteronomy we have a thorough definition for idolatry. Firstly it is the making of images and the moon is very much included. That is actually enough, if you don't make one you can't bow down to the thing. And if you don't make one the question of whether your bowing constitutes veneration or respect or worship or adoration does not arise. In any event once you've made an image of the moon you have already broken the covenant and incurred the very particular wrath identified by Maimonides.

The mohammedan incurs that wrath every day, every time they grovel to their filthy mood idol as defined by God in Deuteronomy 5:8 which I'm using because Maimonides uses it and yet he announced that Muslim understanding of monotheism was without fault?

By the modern era the Jewish people, now familiar with the Message of Islam, fostered a deep respect for the Ummah recognizing their submission to One G_d, Allah, as righteous and exemplary.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS

I.T .. I.S .. A.N .. I.D.O.L

The reason it is an idol is because it has been made. What I think or you think or whether it is an image of the moon or of an eclipse or what some cleric thinks is irrelevant. God defines idolatry and He does so in Deuteronomy chapter five as well as plenty of other places. A paramount commandment, placed even above the not bowing and not serving, is the not making of any image of anything.

Your version of interpreting The Ten Commandments is not acceptable to Christians, who do not pray to Mary incidentally, would not have been acceptable to Noah and was not acceptable to Moses.

Didn't the Mahdi turn up in the 1880's? Or are you claiming that Maimonides was the Mahdi?