[Seeker]

I was just reading for real under the title forum. I sure do understand why Catholics, Wiccans, Santanists, Mormons, and more are false Religions and Cults... But what is wrong about Lutherans?

The only thing I know is they are close to catholism???? Not sure.

Anywho, can someone explain this to my sad humble soul. Thank you.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Seeker

I was just reading for real under the title forum. I sure do understand why Catholics, Wiccans, Santanists, Mormons, and more are false Religions and Cults ... But what is wrong about Lutherans?

The only thing I know is they are close to catholism???? Not sure.

Anywho, can someone explain this to my sad humble soul. Thank you.

AAARRRGGGHH! what's wrong with Lutherans?

They are another false-doctrine-watered-down-euro-fied church of lies, inspired of the devil from the get-go, and they even serve the communion bread and wine, just like cathy-lickers! Oh sure, they dumped the pope and some of the Romanizer nonsense, just like the English church did, but it was still based on the original corruption to begin with, so it didn't succeed and never got the Truth™ of Jesus.

Besides that they are humorless, and boring as HELL, and if you go there, you will go there! (get it, get it?)

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Seeker

But what is wrong about Lutherans?

• Infant baptism
• Transubstantiation
• Denial of Eternal Security
• Anything but KJV

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Ezekiel]

In short, they are just slightly watered down papists. Jesus favors only True Christians™.

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

• Infant baptism
• Transubstantiation
• Denial of Eternal Security
• Anything but KJV

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I would say the infant baptism is because all children are born in sin?? Yes we believe that as Christians. But they want to to get the horse inhead of the cart.

What is this....Transubfcvuodufowairpo3 that I have never heard of? Can you explain, Billy?

I thought they did believe in eternal security? I just thought they went through some stupid 12 step program at the age of 12 to get saved?

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Seeker

What is this .... Transubfcvuodufowairpo3 that I have never heard of? Can you explain, Billy?

If you don't mind an answer from me, Seeker, the Cathy-lickers believe that when the bread and wine are blessed and the priests pronounce Romanized mumbo-jumbo over it at the altar, the 'elements' become the actual body and blood of Jesus.

That is, they believe the inaninmate bread and wine turn into GOD Himself. Then they eat it and drink it, like cannibals.

That's transubstantiation.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Seeker: I would say the infant baptism is because all children are born in sin?? Yes we believe that as Christians. But they want to to get the horse inhead of the cart.
All infants are born in sin, but baptism is only for saved believers. You get saved first, then you get baptized.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent and be baptized.

Seeker: What is this....Transubfcvuodufowairpo3 that I have never heard of? Can you explain, Billy?
Just like Catholics, they believe that the communion wafer physically becomes Jesus' body, and the wine physically becomes His blood.

Seeker: I thought they did believe in eternal security? I just thought they went through some stupid 12 step program at the age of 12 to get saved?
No. They believe that a person once saved, can fall from grace. According to the Bible, that's just not so.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Brother V]

The Lutherans deny most of the Bible (KJV1611) with their "sola fide" doctrine.

Those words mean salvation by faith alone.

Friend, this goes against most of the book of James. This also goes against parts of Revelation.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Jesus HIMSELF said:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Friend, do you doeth?

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

The Lutherans, with their "faith alone" "sola fide" stance are hearers only. I pray that you don't fall into their easy trap.

YIC
V

[Brother Temperance]

We've been over this before very recently. It's pretty simple. They ordain women who deny Christ. That's not very Christian.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

Seeker: I thought they did believe in eternal security? I just thought they went through some stupid 12 step program at the age of 12 to get saved?
No. They believe that a person once saved, can fall from grace. According to the Bible, that's just not so.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

How right you are, brother. Even more:
To fall from grace - that would require that we start to sin..
And he that sins, he isn't Saved. And never was.

Thus, it's completely impossible for the Saved to fall from grace.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
Whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1 John 3:6

[Buzzard]

Luther did liken the Pope's pronouncements to breaking wind.

But Luther scribbled his own Bible translation in German (ptooie) rather than waiting on the AV 1611 which was done in the heavenly tongue (English).

Melancthon was a compromising homer who wore sissy clothes... and their "pastors" wear dresses to church.

And instead of being independent they huddle in SIN-ods.

[LCMSLutheran]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITHOLD UP FOR A MINUTE
Lutherans do not believe that the wafer becomes the body, and the wine becomes the blood. we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine. Matthew 26:26, "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body."

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by LCMSLutheran

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITHOLD UP FOR A MINUTE
Lutherans do not believe that the wafer becomes the body, and the wine becomes the blood. we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine. Matthew 26:26, "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body."

Dear Mr. Lutheran. Let us look at your claim first:

we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine.

Now let us look at how the elders of the Missouri Synod explain Lord's Supper for you:

As Luther put it so clearly,“We maintain that the bread and the wine in the Supper are the true body and blood of Christ” (CA I:5). Everyone who communes receives into their mouths the body and blood of Jesus Christ, whether they believe it or not, be they worthy or unworthy.

Oh dear, this is contradictory. Either you are being deliberately misled by your commanders or you've understood their teachings inadequately. Which one is it? This misunderstanding of the Bible probably derives from the dismissal of some pivotal verses after Matthew 26:26. We must examine them!

Matthew 26:26-29
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Did Jesus lie? First He says that "This is my body" but in Matthew 26:29 He still claims that the substance is "this fruit of the vine". Had He meant to allure people into cannibalism, He'd have maintained here that the wine had turned into His blood. He did not, and He cannot lie.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Now, let us also consider what God had to say channeled by Paul! In 1 Corinthians we are informed about the practices of the first True Christians™.

1 Corinthians 11:25-16
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

"This cup is the new testament in my blood" [Not "my blood"]! "Ye eat this bread [still bread], and drink this cup [still wine]..." Only by ignoring parts of the Bible and concentrating on one verse that fits the preconceptions of those who have indoctrinated you can you reach the consensus of transubstantiation. As True Christians™, we never ignore the Bible. Luther, the founding father of your cult, not only accepted Muslims as heretic Christians in CA 1:5 (similar to your Pope; Vatican's Catechism 841). He also wanted to dismiss important parts of the Bible (James*, Revelation**) as they contradicted his pre-meditated views on Salvation and Judgment.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

*In Luther's own words: "...this James does nothing more than drive to the law and to its works. Besides, he throws things together so chaotically that it seems to me he must have been some good, pious man, who took a few sayings from the disciples of the apostles and thus tossed them off on paper". Practically, Luther thought that God had make a mistake in the Epistle of James. He thus claims that the Bible is chaotic and unreliable. This is NOT True Christianity™.
** Luther's opinion on Revelation is as follows: "I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it." OK, Luther committed Matthew 12:31. Case closed.

[LCMSLutheran]

So you reject that if you leave the faith you still go to heaven? That's pretty scripture twisting because I thought the Bible said that those who do not believe stand condemned."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by LCMSLutheran

So you reject that if you leave the faith you still go to heaven? That's pretty scripture twisting because I thought the Bible said that those who do not believe stand condemned...

Learn to read what's written (both here and in the Bible), please.

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

...Seeker: I thought they did believe in eternal security? I just thought they went through some stupid 12 step program at the age of 12 to get saved?
No. They believe that a person once saved, can fall from grace. According to the Bible, that's just not so.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

You cannot fall from God's grace (according to the Bible). Therefore, if you disbelieve now, you never really did, and never were Saved™.

[LCMSLutheran]

They shall never perish.As long as they believe and are baptized. This scripture says nothing about falling out of faith; it does not address this issue here. As previously addressed we can fall out of the faith. Maybe you should read the bible.
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by LCMSLutheran

...As previously falsely claimed by ignoring what the Bible clearly says we can fall out of the faith...

Um, NO. Read the Scripture (repeated here from where Pastor Billy-Reuben cited it):

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

...Maybe you should read the bible.

I have, quite a few times, different versions, too, even three different languages (for comparison). Maybe you should do so again, while remembering that words have meanings, and people who attempt to redefine them to suit their own agendas are not your friends.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by LCMSLutheran

So you reject that if you leave the faith you still go to heaven? That's pretty scripture twisting because I thought the Bible said that those who do not believe stand condemned."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

Dear Ms. Lutheran,

You are posing a question that contains a premise that is erroneous. That false premise is "if you leave the Faith". That is impossible. Please study the Bible and this will soon be clear to you. There are some key passages that will help you along:

2nd Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

This tells us that in the very unlikely scenario (losing Faith™) because of dementia, brain injury or related causes that can make a previously Saved person unresponsive to Spiritual Stimuli, that person remains a part of Christ ("He abideth faithful"). Obviously, Jesus does believe in Himself, so any leaving of the Faith(rm) really cannot happen!

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.No-one can take us away from Jesus! In addition, after Salvation(rm), it is impossible to sin!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

All pre-Salvation sins are washed away (except Matthew 12:31; let us hope that you have not committed that one!) and the person cannot sin any more. The Lutherans are astray here in opposition to the Bible. Without the Bible, we don't have any reliable information about Jesus nor about His commandments. So losing one detail of the Bible makes the whole structure collapse. That is why you must leave your cult and join us!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[LCMSLutheran]

It's a Mr, not Ms.I'll try a scenario.
Okay, so let's say I am a pious devout Christian, but after some deep conversation with an athiest, decide God isn't real, then I wouldn't believe that Jesus died for my sins, and if you're educated, you'll know that the belief in Jesus dying for our sins is crucial to faith, and If I do not believe this I am condemed as stated in Mark 16:16,"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
also I'd like to say the names for some of these false religions are hilarious.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by LCMSLutheran

It's a Mr, not Ms...

Why does that matter so much to you?

...Okay, so let's say I am a pious devout Christian, but after some deep conversation with an athiest, decide God isn't real, then I wouldn't believe that Jesus died for my sins...

Already covered that (look up, five posts above this one). Thanks for demonstrating your reading skills for everyone to see.

ps. it's atheist