[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

I would rather burn in piffleing hell alongside my brother than be in a "Paradise" with you piffleing scumbags. God must be so proud of you, condemning me and my brother to hell, no I'm kidding. God must hate people like you. I'm sure when he wrote the bible he didn't intend for people just like you to say who goes to hell and who doesn't.
But still, it's not an offer its a piffleing Demand, you say shit about my brother, than you take it up with him. so when and where

We're not saying who is going to Hell, my angry little friend. We're warning you that God clearly states that you will if you continue to cozy up with faggots and unbelievers.

You seem to be determined to persecute us, which is fine. We are blessed by that.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

I understand your anger and tendency to resort to being a bit of a potty mouth over this. I was once a dirty Catholic. I believed all manner of falsehood that had been indoctrinated into me by priests who were on the prowl for sweet boy-butt to fornicate with. I listened to what they had to say and chanted their chants in church and ate their magic wafers.

Then one day I read the Bible and would you believe it! Just about everything I had ever been told about God was wrong. He wasn't this sissy God I had been told about who loves everyone and can even tolerate gays and adultery. No! God is a God of intolerance and hatred for perversion and swift and certain retribution for not doing exactly as He commands.

Having seen that it was obvious I had to turn my back on the Catholics.

Go and actually read the Bible, friend, instead of basing your beliefs on what you wish it said if it agreed with you more. You'll see what you should be believing to actually be a True Christian™. Only then will you believe in God as much as I do.

[i doesnt matter]

oh, btw you never showed me where I said all those things. so I'm still waiting on that

[i doesnt matter]

ok, yeah I get mad, no one is perfect. I'm sorry but resorting to being a potty mouth is the only thing I can do right now since my mom is sleeping I can't go and hit the punching bag.
anyway, I would appreciate it if you stop calling my brother a faggot please
thats it, thats all I want right now, is it hard to do?
also I don't want to be part of the God that you describe
what if the bible was written by some lunatic?
what if god isn't real?
have you seen him?
have you touched him and felt him with your hands?
I'm not speaking metaphorically at all
there isn't any 100% tangible proof that the God you describe exists, face it, there isn't
so stop comparing "my god" to yours, cause we don't know if either exists

[mcyd's]

I beg tell thee, do you guys have any problem with the fact that the movie Red State is based off your church?

im a muslim btw.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

ok, yeah I get mad, no one is perfect. I'm sorry but resorting to being a potty mouth is the only thing I can do right now since my mom is sleeping I can't go and hit the punching bag.
anyway, I would appreciate it if you stop calling my brother a faggot please
thats it, thats all I want right now, is it hard to do?
also I don't want to be part of the God that you describe
what if the bible was written by some lunatic?
what if god isn't real?
have you seen him?
have you touched him and felt him with your hands?
I'm not speaking metaphorically at all
there isn't any 100% tangible proof that the God you describe exists, face it, there isn't
so stop comparing "my god" to yours, cause we don't know if either exists

You sound like you are in some doubt about God, friend.

If you think the Bible was written by some lunatic who made up God then why do you believe in Him?

The simple answer is that you don't believe in Him and you may as well be an atheist and go on and burn.

You have made up an imaginary friend to make your arguments and views above debate and it's falling apart in the face of genuine representations of the views of the actual God. Go back to what made you angry. I posted two pieces of pertinent scripture with no comment whatever and you now know God hates you.

Take it up with God, friend. But I bet He agrees with you inside your head because the god in your head is YOU!

Now go and read the Bible and see how far off beam you actually are. Good luck reconciling the two, friend.

[i doesnt matter]

I'm still waiting for that part where I said that God shouldn't hate homosexuals and people with other beliefs. it seems you are ignoring my request?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

I'm still waiting for that part where I said that God shouldn't hate homosexuals and people with other beliefs. it seems you are ignoring my request?

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

but I am not running from God. I do believe in him, I just don't believe in some of what the bible says.
Ok, i'll tell you guys my perspective, cause I'm tired of arguing.
Ok, first of all, I don't like how the bible says that homosexuals should be condemned/stoned what have you, second, the discrimination against all that don't believe in god is something that I don't agree with, I don't think anyone should be discriminated against no matter what. Everyone is equal, that is my belief. That's pretty much it, everything else I'm fine with, but why do we have to descriminate, and why must people force their religion on others?
But I do believe in God, I have no doubt that he exists. I just don't believe in all the things the bible says

If you don't believe in what the Bible says than you don't believe God should have said it therefore you are saying God is wrong.

Now why not just admit you are an atheist pretending to be a Christian so you can mock God then go to bed and get some sleep. you really can't stay consistent about what you believe for five minutes.

[i doesnt matter]

see, here's the part where you twist my words, I believe in God. Just as I believe in scum like you, but believe and agree are two different words. also I never said he shouldn't hate them, I said I disagree with it. not the same thing, I have no authority telling God what to do. you and me both know that, and I'm not being sarcastic

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

see, here's the part where you twist my words, I believe in God. Just as I believe in scum like you, but believe and agree are two different words. also I never said he shouldn't hate them, I said I disagree with it. not the same thing, I have no authority telling God what to do. you and me both know that, and I'm not being sarcastic

Then start doing as He says, fool! That's our advice.

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It's time to be honest with yourself, boy! You are way off track on what you believe compared to what God says and have pretty much blasphemed everything about Him in your little rants where you lose control and spout a stream of consciousness. You're all over the place.

Go away and think about what you believe. Where do your deeply held convictions come from? I would say they come from your head and have nothing to do with God and you're just projecting your own desires onto a vaguely remembered notion of their being things about God in a Bible you know nothing of and are struggling when people who know the Bible inside and out confront you with reality. God has only EVER told us what He wants in the Bible which is the only reliable record of God that isn't just imagined voices in other people's heads.

You are just constructing your own ideas and believing in an imaginary friend of your own construct. That imaginary friend does not exist but you use him to try to make your views above debate. This is cowardice. At least have the balls to come out and say you don't believe in God. We then have some honesty to work with.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[i doesnt matter]

here you go again with this imaginary friend, you know, this whole argument started by me saying that I believed in God. God. and you somehow got this idea in your head, that I created a friend, a god, in my head. no, i didn't, I have clearly stated in the past that I acknowledge that this god says things I do not believe in, yes the very god I believe in! it's the same one! I know its hard to believe, but just try for a moment, why don't ya? yeah, we're both talking about the same god, nowhere does it indicate that I believe in different god, I said I disagreed with him on some things, not "I created a god in my head cause I disagree with the other one" as you seem to believe.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Hi, it dose'nt matter.

What my brothers are pointing out is that you are picking the personality traits about God that you like but ignoring the bits that you don't.

You have seen scripture from the Good Book say that God loves us but also that he does not love every one because they sin: God hates the gays and murderers. It says so in the Bible (KJV1611). Since the Bible is either God's word or not you either have to beleive all of it or none of it.

When I came here I was suprised to find that God took names but the brothers and sisters here know what they are talking about.

God loves but it is also clear he hates a lot of people (bad people like gays and murderers) a great deal. If you love God you will obey him.

Yours in Christ.

[i doesnt matter]

but why are gays bad? believe me, it's not a choice, it's not something you can change, I know from experience

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

but why are gays bad? believe me, it's not a choice, it's not something you can change, I know from experience

God hates them. That's the end of the discussion. Are you suggesting that God would just hate gays for arbitrary reasons? God wants them to be killed. Who are you to question God?

Pray the gay away.

[i doesnt matter]

Over and over, we're told that homosexual sex is immoral according to Christianity, that the Bible condemns homosexual behavior, that gays are performing abomination. Yet the scriptures that are put forth to "prove" this fact are vague to say the least. There are two primary places in the Bible where you'll find scriptures that seem to specify homosexuality: the Mosaic Law portion in the first five books of the Christian Bible, and in many of Paul's writings in the New Testament. Homosexuality and Mosaic Law
The single scripture most clearly condemning homosexual behavior is Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
That sounds pretty straightforward: gay sex=execution. But is that really what Christianity believes?
Well, yes, because the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible. This scripture, the evilness of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, and several other scriptures in this older part of the Bible all revile homosexuality. I want to find otherwise, but it's pretty clear. Is that all there is to it?
No. Christianity states that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament. The eye for an eye" rule was superseded by "do unto others." And Christ specifically stated that He marked a turning point in the worship of God, and that the old ways were swept away when He entered the world.
So what about the New Testament?
Paul on Homosexuality
Jesus never directly addresses the issue of homosexuality. Never. Not once. He addresses many other things, like idolatry and greed and priorities and loving one another, but he doesn't speak a word about the gay lifestyle. Paul, on the other hand, does:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Okay, that looks pretty straightforward. But in the original Greek, what is here translated as "practicing homosexuals" actually refers to a catamite, a young boy who is used sexually by an older man. Because the term is hard to translate into modern English with the original sense intact, the word "effeminate" is used in some translations.
Now it doesn't look so straightforward. Besides, consider this:
Sexually immoral
Idolater
Adulterer
Male prostitute (who were typically young boys)
Thieves
Greedy
Drunkard
Slanderer
Swindler
This is a list of the actions that are EQUATED to not homosexuality, but the keeping of a catamite, in Paul's letter. Equated. What do they have in common? They all hurt other people. Adult homosexuality is NOT in that list. Paul is condemning something a little different, something we can all agree with the condemnation of today.
Notice you don't hear televangelists railing about the slanderers in the world and how the slanderers should be removed from the face of the earth because they are evil. Or how God hates drunkards and greedy people. Are they really just men of their times, as all men are? As the men who wrote the Bible were?
In the societies in which our modern Bible was written, homosexuality existed. But it had a very different face. Let's keep that in mind when we read about how Christianity condemns homosexuals. What the Bible specifies may not be what we think of as homosexual at all, partly at least because of the language differences and partly because people are different today. At the very least, condemnation of homosexuality is nowhere near as clear-cut as many Christians would have us believe.



and I rest my case

[Redeemed Papist]

No. You copy paste stuff dreamed up by faggots who want to deny that gayness is a dreadful abomination because they love taking things in their butt and wish with all their hearts that God didn't say He hates gays.

But He did. Deal with it!

Romans 1:20-32
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Oh look. Romans 1 in context.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

here you go again with this imaginary friend, you know, this whole argument started by me saying that I believed in God. God. and you somehow got this idea in your head, that I created a friend, a god, in my head. no, i didn't, I have clearly stated in the past that I acknowledge that this god says things I do not believe in, yes the very god I believe in! it's the same one! I know its hard to believe, but just try for a moment, why don't ya? yeah, we're both talking about the same god, nowhere does it indicate that I believe in different god, I said I disagreed with him on some things, not "I created a god in my head cause I disagree with the other one" as you seem to believe.

Right now I would believe that you are walking on your knuckles and throwing feces at your keepers.

If, as you say, you believe in God, specifically the one who reveals Himself in the Bible, aren't you just a teeny bit concerned about what an Allpowerful, supremely wrathful type of divinity might choose to do with you after a lifetime of flouting His commandments and authority?

I do hope that you weren't planning to lead a rebellion against Him because He consigns people like your brother --He is the one who is a homosexual, correct?--to everlasting, agonizing torment in Hell. Those sorts of protests never end well, God always seems to win. I guess, being allknowing and allpowerful does often confer an advantage. But hey-- you have the knucklewalking and feces throwing. Let me know how it goes.


Faceticously Yours,

Handmaiden

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

Right now I would believe that you are walking on your knuckles and throwing feces at your keepers.

If, as you say, you believe in God, specifically the one who reveals Himself in the Bible, aren't you just a teeny bit concerned about what an Allpowerful, supremely wrathful type of divinity might choose to do with you after a lifetime of flouting His commandments and authority?

I do hope that you weren't planning to lead a rebellion against Him because He consigns people like your brother --He is the one who is a homosexual, correct?--to everlasting, agonizing torment in Hell. Those sorts of protests never end well, God always seems to win. I guess, being allknowing and allpowerful does often confer an advantage. But hey-- you have the knucklewalking and feces throwing. Let me know how it goes.


Faceticously Yours,

Handmaiden

It's not just his brother that's a faggot, sister. They're both fudge nudgers.

[i doesnt matter]

To Redeemed Papist,
so, you're saying my brother is disobeying God because he wants to be a rebel?
ok, so what facts do you have to support this, you've never met him?
for your information, he is a firm believer in God, and now I know you're going to say something like "well why does he choose to be a homosexual then?" yeah, once again, it's not a choice, he can't help it, it's just who he is.
oh and what proof do you have that I am a homosexual?
and why do you assume (it makes an ass out of you and me, by the way) that every homosexual has butt-sex, or do you know from your own experiences?

To handmaiden
Yes, you are correct, My brother is Homosexual, and no I wouldn't lead a rebellion against God, first of all I wouldn't even know how to do that, second, it'd be stupid to do that even if I could, what would a small person like me to do God?

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

...I know you're going to say something like "well why does he choose to be a homosexual then?" yeah, once again, it's not a choice, he can't help it, it's just who he is...

Once again, I IMPLORE you to read the Bible. Read the words that are there in plain black and white.

To those who claim, "Jesus changed everything, all that Old Testament stuff doesn't apply anymore", well, what did Jesus actually say?

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" <<< that there is Jesus talking.

Who are you going to believe? Jesus Himself, or people who might be lying to you for their own nefarious purposes?

On the other hand, curiously, homosexual urges are NOT condemned anywhere (Old or New Testament). Rather, homosexual ACTS are. All your brother has to do is stop having gay sex. Easy, huh?

...it'd be stupid to do that even if I could, what would a small person like me to do God?

But you already ARE rebelling against Jesus and God, by denying what is clearly written in the Bible.

As for this bit of flim-flam from your c&p, "What the Bible specifies may not be what we think of as homosexual at all, partly at least because of the language differences and partly because people are different today.":

Do you believe God is omnipotent? You'd better say yes, because that's what the Bible says. If God is omnipotent, it'd be nothing for Him to change the Bible so that His meaning is clear (True Christians™ believe that the KJV is quite clear about God's meaning, and thus does not need to be changed). Now, if you claim the Bible is unclear, that means:

1) God made it that way, and keeps it that way, so that nobody can understand it, and we ALL go to Hell because we are unable to follow His Commands.
2) God cannot change the Bible, which means He is not omnipotent, the Bible is a bunch of lies, and we ALL go to Hell because God has not communicated His wishes clearly.
3) God is not real.

Which of those statements do you agree with?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by i doesnt matter

To Redeemed Papist,
so, you're saying my brother is disobeying God because he wants to be a rebel?
ok, so what facts do you have to support this, you've never met him?
for your information, he is a firm believer in God, and now I know you're going to say something like "well why does he choose to be a homosexual then?" yeah, once again, it's not a choice, he can't help it, it's just who he is.
oh and what proof do you have that I am a homosexual?
and why do you assume (it makes an ass out of you and me, by the way) that every homosexual has butt-sex, or do you know from your own experiences?

To handmaiden
Yes, you are correct, My brother is Homosexual, and no I wouldn't lead a rebellion against God, first of all I wouldn't even know how to do that, second, it'd be stupid to do that even if I could, what would a small person like me to do God?

I really don't understand why you are having a problem with this.

1) We know what God thinks because the Bible tells us.

2) The Bible tells us homosexuals should be killed (Leviticus 20:13). It is very clear that they should be killed.

So what we see is that God wants them killed.

Now, Leviticus set out statutes (laws) for people to keep if they love Him and want to go to Heaven.

James 2:10 then states that if you break any part of the law you break it ALL.

Therefor being gay (proscribed in Lev 20:13) is as bad as sexual abuse by father to daughter (proscribed in Lev 20:12).

It just so happens that secular people currently think being gay is fine but a father having sex with his daughter is not.

But the secular vogue should not matter to an honest Christian. No one said being a Christian is easy (I had great difficulty when I actually sat down and read the Bible).

I believe in God and it is an important and rewarding part of my life: but it is difficult in the face of people who believe that they are Christians when they really don't know the first thing about the nature of God.

The establishment just wants 'bums on seats' and will tell people what they want to hear to get them into church.

I believe this is dishonest. It is dishonest because people are being lied to about what it means to be a Christian: it is a hard road and people do come here and hate on us because we are honest in our beliefs and we don't shy from the literal meaning of the Bible.

The modern vicar will lie about God to keep his church full: that's wrong, it's deceptive and disrespectful.

I'm sorry for the long post but my faith is important to me and if I can save one person from going to Hell I believe I have fulfilled my purpose.

All the best