[darkdonkey]

So, Say we met god.

You'd say to him, I raped a 4 year old girl and hit my wife, let me into heaven.


And I'd say, well I had premarital sex, but that was it. let me into heaven.

Who whould be let in?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

So, Say we met god.

You'd say to him, I raped a 4 year old girl and hit my wife, let me into heaven.


And I'd say, well I had premarital sex, but that was it. let me into heaven.

Who whould be let in?

Obviously, the one who had followed the Bible during life.

Matthew 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[DeadMan89]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

You cannot have morals and ignore the Holy Bible at the same time. It is impossible.

Um apparently you haven't heard of THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, the 10 morals of christian values, which are printed inside THE HOLY BIBLE! Maybe you should try reading it instead of randomly quoting it for your own desires.

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

Dear darkdonkey,

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

So, Say we met god. You'd say to him, I raped a 4 year old girl and hit my wife, let me into heaven. And I'd say, well I had premarital sex, but that was it. let me into heaven. Who whould be let in?

You are not providing enough information to answer that. How awful one has sinned in life is mostly irrelevant for being allowed into Heaven. A murdering child rapist can easily get into Heaven. As we are all sinners, no exceptions. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) and also "There is none righteous; no, not one." (Romans 3:10).

God gives us clear instructions on how we can go to Heaven. We have to repent: "Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3) and we have to have faith: "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8).

There are limits to God's leniency though. While someone who murders, acts homosexual, steals and rapes can easily go to Heaven, just as long as he repents and chooses Jesus, blasphemy is never allowed: "Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." (Matthew 12:31). So you have to be very careful to never do that. Because once you do, it's over and out. Forever. For all eternity.

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[darkdonkey]

But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. Deuteronomy 22

BAM, rape is wrong.

Proverbs chapter 16 (TEV)
29 Violent people deceive their friends and lead them to disaster.

BAM, voilence is wrong.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by DeadMan89

Um apparently you haven't heard of THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, the 10 morals of christian values, which are printed inside THE HOLY BIBLE! Maybe you should try reading it instead of randomly quoting it for your own desires.

You are probably too stupid to realize this, but you just proved to everyone visiting this forum that I was right all along.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by DeadMan89

Um apparently you haven't heard of THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, the 10 morals of christian values, which are printed inside THE HOLY BIBLE! Maybe you should try reading it instead of randomly quoting it for your own desires.

My Bible includes more than ten commandments. But have it your way: Quote the Ten Commandments and identify which one of them proves whatever point you are trying to make.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. Deuteronomy 22

BAM, rape is wrong.

Did it happen out in the country, and was she betrothed? Do you even know the commandment that applies when the "victim" is a virgin who is not betrothed?

[darkdonkey]

But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. Deuteronomy 22

BAM, rape is wrong.

Proverbs chapter 16 (TEV)
29 Violent people deceive their friends and lead them to disaster.

BAM, voilence is wrong.

I currently stand uncorrected?
Well that's what the bible says.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Did it happen out in the country, and was she betrothed? Do you even know the commandment that applies when the "victim" is a virgin who is not betrothed?

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. Deuteronomy 22

BAM, rape is wrong.

Proverbs chapter 16 (TEV)
29 Violent people deceive their friends and lead them to disaster.

BAM, voilence is wrong.

I currently stand uncorrected?
Well that's what the bible says.

Way to duck the question, pal. In the extremely unlikely event that you keep reading in Deuteronomy chapter 22 to the end, you'll find this:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

But I guess that doesn't fit into your cafeteria Christianity.

[darkdonkey]

Galatians 3:8
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

We're all equal,

We all get a say in relationships.

End of.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

You've changed the subject, and yet you've found something else on which to be wrong. If we're all equal, and we all get a say in relationships, explain both Deut. 22:28-29 and the following:

Ephesians 5:22: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Every time you cite the Bible, you demonstrate yourself to be a cafeteria Christian.

[darkdonkey]

At the end of the day.

who are you to say you're right.

and I'm wrong.

Are you trying to say I should believe you?

And not the word of god?

That is a sin in itself.

You shall not make for yourself an idol

You shall have no other gods before me

I am the Lord your God

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

At the end of the day.

who are you to say you're right.

and I'm wrong.

If we agree with God's Word, and you don't, then the simple fact is that we are right and that you are wrong. If you don't approve of what the Bible says, take it up with the Lord.

Are you trying to say I should believe you?

And not the word of god?

You really ought to post while standing on a stepladder, so that the point that you're addressing won't go quite so far over your head. We are trying to get to you believe the Word of God (all of it, not just those parts that you like). Who made you the ultimate authority on which verses of the Bible we should follow and which we should pretend don't exist?

[darkdonkey]

I'm simply trying to live a good life,

Without raping or beating anyone.

I assure you, that is not being a bad christian.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

I'm simply trying to live a good life,

Without raping or beating anyone.

I assure you, that is not being a bad christian.

If it were that simple, the Bible would be a lot shorter than it is.

[darkdonkey]

So Pastor Isaac Peters.

you ever raped a 4 year old? or just planning to do it? Even saying it's fine to do so is wrong.

You sick man.

Also JesOS,

Using lord's name in vein? Yes, Yes it is.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

So now that you've lost an argument on the Bible, you're making various unkind accuations against me? Oh, nice.

[darkdonkey]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

So now that you've lost an argument on the Bible, you're making various unkind accuations against me? Oh, nice.

I give up,

I honestly give up.

[DeadMan89]

Originally Posted by darkdonkey

I give up,

I honestly give up.

probably the best thing to do. it's like arguing with a wall to most of these people. Hell, a wall would be more open to new idea than these guys, cause of all the windows.