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Default Re: Second 2016 Debate Liveblog - 10-11-2016, 02:59 AM

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I know how the FPTP system works, that is why I'm voting for someone who is Trump's opponent. It just happens that that person is Hillary's opponent as well. (And no, I'm not voting for Ken Bone)
Let me put it this way: we are going to vote if we want Pizza or Chinese food. You're allergic to MSG and/or cats, so you can't have Chinese. Also the Pizza delivery guy is a rapist who will rape you. 2 of us voted for Chinese, 3 of us voted for the rapist. If you vote for Ken Bone, the Pizzaria will have some interesting locker room talk for a while.

Your vote is....


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Default Re: Second 2016 Debate Liveblog - 10-11-2016, 03:08 AM

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Let me put it this way: we are going to vote if we want Pizza or Chinese food. You're allergic to MSG and or cats, so you can't have Chinese. Also the Pizza delivery guy is a rapist who will rape you. 2 of us voted for Chinese, 3 of us voted for the rapist. If you vote for Ken Bone, the Pizzaria will have some interesting locker room talk for a while.

Your vote is....


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So you're saying I should vote for either a sexual predator or a compulsive liar? That just because my vote carries little weight I shouldn't try to do the right thing and instead just jump on the bandwagon of one of the two nominees?

I want to keep my conscience clean before God, regardless of the effect doing that has on one election. #PaulRyan2016
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Default Re: Second 2016 Debate Liveblog - 10-11-2016, 03:10 AM

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I want to keep my conscience clean before God, regardless of the effect
"I hope your conscience enjoyed it's bubblebath, because the effect was we got raped" -Hillary's rape victims

"Judge them by their fruits, unless their name is Princess L, in which case her clean conscience outweighs everything. PS, hope you enjoy World War 3." - Jesus (Matthew 7:16)
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"I hope your concience enjoyed it's bubblebath, because the effect was we got raped" -Hillary's rape victims
"To go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other. God help me."
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You make it sound as if my vote will make or break the election.
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"To go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other. God help me."
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That your conscience tells you Hillary's rape victims don't matter says more about your conscience than it does about the genocidal anti-Semite you just quoted as an authority on conscience. Hint: next time you use an appeal-to-authority fallacy, try an authority whose ideas did not lead directly to the holocaust.

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You make it sound as if my vote will make or break the election.
Votes either matter or they don't. The fact that you're suddenly using cop-outs like "doesn't matter anyway" means you've lost the debate.
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Default Re: Second 2016 Debate Liveblog - 10-11-2016, 03:27 AM

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That your conscience tells you Hillary's rape victims don't matter says more about your conscience than it does about the genocidal anti-Semites you just quoted as an authority on conscience.
Huh? Hillary's rape victims? Trump is the sexual predator.

And that "genocidal anti-semite" is credited with being one of the first to start the reformation.

I believe that it would wrong before God to give my support to either of the nominees; there's no "lesser of two evils", they're both wicked.

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Votes either matter or they don't. The fact that you're using cop-outs like "doesn't matter anyway" means you've lost the debate.
No, I'm criticizing your shoddy analogy in which you postulated that my vote decided whether we got nasty Chinese food or a rapist pizza guy. My vote does have an impact, just not one as large as you make it appear.
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Huh? Hillary's rape victims? Trump is the sexual predator.

And that "genocidal anti-semite" is credited with being one of the first to start the reformation.
What's with the "sneer quotes"? Are you denying Luther's antisemitism, or the massacres he encouraged?

Because I think what you just did was say that long-term results matter, even if they come from imperfect people. Did you just switch sides in this debate without telling me?

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I believe that it would wrong before God to give my support to either of the nominees; there's no "lesser of two evils", they're both wicked.
I believe it would be wrong before God to sit back and watch Hillary rape people. See my quote about judging the tree by fruits. Results matter.

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No, I'm criticizing your shoddy analogy in which you postulated that my vote decided whether we got nasty Chinese food or a rapist pizza guy. My vote does have an impact, just not one as large as you make it appear.
So your conscience says Ken Bone followed by rape. Why didn't you just say so?
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So you're saying I should vote for either a sexual predator or a compulsive liar?

So you don't want to vote for Trump, we get it.


Why not Hillary, then, since she is neither sexual predator nor a compulsive liar (at least not by Trump's standards)?


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Clearly you have no clue how the voting system works.
Still waiting for your apology for this.


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Why not Hillary, then, since she is neither sexual predator nor a compulsive liar (at least not by Trump's standards)?
I'll tell you why I'm voting against Hillary - not half-voting against her - because my conscience cannot allow me to do anything, no matter how small, that could nudge us toward nuclear war. Nuclear war is such a huge issue - we are talking about the destruction of everything humanity has ever built, and ever will built, the murder of everyone born and yet-to-be born - it really makes every other issue look like the squabbling of toddlers.

Hillary does not have the temperament to control nuclear weapons - she's a loose cannon, unpredictable, easily provoked, constantly sending mixed messages to other nuclear powers, causing all sorts of instability worldwide - just as a candidate mind you, she hasn't even taken office yet.

If President Trump faces a nuclear crisis, he will listen to the best experts, follow the established best practices, and use his proven professionalism and self-control to get things back to normal. Can you say that with 100% certainty about ALL the candidates?
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Trump is the sexual predator.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing. The Bible clarifies for us that it is a contextual thing. If you marry the girl and pay the girl's father, you have obeyed God's Law and adhered to social norms. Or do you think you can one up the Lord in regards to morality?




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And that "genocidal anti-semite"[Luther] is credited with being one of the first to start the reformation.
True Christians™ did not need a reformation.They had the Bible and they followed it. Or they didn't-- in which case they weren't True Christians™.


Refuting one false religion with another false religion doesn't really make sense. You either believe the Bible and obey, or reject the Bible and go your own way, accepting the consequences of your actions. And speaking of going your own way. . .

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I believe that it would wrong before God to give my support to either of the nominees; there's no "lesser of two evils", they're both wicked.
There you go again with your personal beliefs. Are you saying that God told you that these two specific people are wicked? Are you saying that God told you not to vote for either of them? It's hardly my place to measure your personal grasp of reality, but there are a lot of people out there who are every bit as sure as you are that God is telling them something entirely different.


Who is God really talking to? You could fight a war to decide. A lot of seriously religious people went that way. Or you could actually read the whole Bible and devote yourself completely to doing what God tells you to do in His Own Holy Word. If nothing else that would keep you busy while the election sorts itself out. Or you could just admit that you are following your own conscience filtered through a flagon of Christian Lite flavored beverage. It's perfect for children who can't be trusted with a cup of real wine.

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Hey, it's Columbus Day. The guy has pizza on his mind, give him a break.


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What's with the "sneer quotes"? Are you denying Luther's antisemitism, or the massacres he encouraged?

Because I think what you just did was say that long-term results matter, even if they come from imperfect people. Did you just switch sides in this debate without telling me?

I believe it would be wrong before God to sit back and watch Hillary rape people. See my quote about judging the tree by fruits. Results matter.

So your conscience says Ken Bone followed by rape. Why didn't you just say so?
I simply used quotation marks to denote that I was quoting you. And somehow you're now getting reformation and election voting mixed up.


Trump's the rapist at worst, and a sexual assaulter at the least. Hillary is just a lying liberal loudmouth.
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Still waiting for your apology for this.
And you'll get it when Hell freezes over
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I simply used quotation marks to denote that I was quoting you.
Don't give me "just saying". Do you or do you not deny the antisemitic massacres in question?

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And somehow you're now getting reformation and election voting mixed up.
You brought up the subject. Now tell me: do results matter?

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Trump's the rapist at worst, and a sexual assaulter at the least. Hillary is just a lying liberal loudmouth.
I'm glad you agree that women become loudmouths when they think they can talk like men. We're making progress here. But why are you treating the two electable candidates as equivalents when you obviously don't believe that they are?

You know that if we're lucky, a nuclear war would only kill 6,000,000,000 of us. So voting for nuclear war is like voting for the holocaust, and then voting for the holocaust again, and so on until you've voted for the holocaust 1,000 times.
1,000 holocausts is equivalent to WHAT again?





If there's 60 people in this pile, I'll have to copy and paste it 100 million times to show you what a nuclear war would look like. Equivalent to WHAT again?
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Jeb is the one talking about nuclear winters, you'll have to discuss this with him.

I don't claim to the world authority on electoral systems, but I think your "it doesn't matter" thesis does not give you the right to declare I know nothing about whether election winners actually, you know, win.


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Now tell me: do results matter?
I'm going to guess that she actually does believe that results matter, after all, if conscience were everything, simply staying at home on election day and thinking nice thoughts about Paul Ryan would be enough. God would know how she feels, her conscience would know, and there would be no need to keep result-based voters waiting in line at the polling booth.

Did you know who Hitler's political rival was? A lesser of two evils, that's who. Paul von Hindenburg was a disaster, and the blimp named after him wasn't much good either. I'm sure in the ruins of 1945 lots of people were saying "Well, I wasn't going to vote for the lesser of two evils, and my conscience is clean thanks to my write-in vote for Mickey Mouse..." I'm not sure they got a lot of sympathy then, and I'm not sure the same excuse will work after a slaughter 1,000 as bad.

There's a difference between "typical politician who I disagree with" and "one insult away from having to organize a closed-casket funeral for 6,000,000,000."
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That is clearly Michele Obama attacking a harmless white man. To think Hillary is criticizing Donald for a little young man's fun when the First Lady commits violent acts like this is hypocritical.
It's worse than mere hypocrisy, it confirms a clear pattern where she has reveled in the joy of abusing power with impunity. She knows it's wrong, but she believes power means impunity and she loves that.

Remember that in 2020 when she runs for president. When someone has proven time and time again that they love to abuse power with impunity, are you 100% certain they can be trusted to rule a nuclear-armed power?
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Let me put it this way: we are going to vote if we want Pizza or Chinese food. You're allergic to MSG and/or cats, so you can't have Chinese. Also the Pizza delivery guy is a rapist who will rape you. 2 of us voted for Chinese, 3 of us voted for the rapist. If you vote for Ken Bone, the Pizzaria will have some interesting locker room talk for a while.

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Jeb is the one talking about nuclear winters, you'll have to discuss this with him.
How'd you go from me telling you about when I'll make a formal apology to you to nuclear winters? What the hell are you even talking about?

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I don't claim to the world authority on electoral systems, but I think your "it doesn't matter" thesis does not give you the right to declare I know nothing about whether election winners actually, you know, win.
As I stated already, that isn't my thesis.
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Don't give me "just saying". Do you or do you not deny the antisemitic massacres in question?
I have no clue what massacres you're talking about. I don't recall Martin Luther being a mass murderer.

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You brought up the subject. Now tell me: do results matter?
Yes. Of course results matter.

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I'm glad you agree that women become loudmouths when they think they can talk like men. We're making progress here. But why are you treating the two electable candidates as equivalents when you obviously don't believe that they are?
Don't put words in my mouth. I have the highest respect for women, and would never make such a generalization. I was referring to Hillary alone.

I don't understand what you mean. I think they are equivalent in their wickedness, just in different ways.

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You know that if we're lucky, a nuclear war would only kill 6,000,000,000 of us. So voting for nuclear war is like voting for the holocaust, and then voting for the holocaust again, and so on until you've voted for the holocaust 1,000 times.
1,000 holocausts is equivalent to WHAT again?





If there's 60 people in this pile, I'll have to copy and paste it 100 million times to show you what a nuclear war would look like. Equivalent to WHAT again?
What the hell are you even talking about? That if Hillary was elected we'd have nuclear war?

Oh ye of little faith. Regardless of who gets elected, God is still in control; as people who claim to be Christians, you should know that.
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