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Default The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 07-10-2010, 07:46 AM

Alright so Jim Osborne claims that the earth is flat and lists off three of the crappiest arguments I have ever seen. here are his 3:

1. earth rotates very fast, so if you jump you should land far away

2. a piece of paper doesnt stick to the bottom of a balloon so how could people in australia stick to the bottom of the earth (absolutely hilarious argument LOL)

3. as you get higher you can see more into the distance, but if the earth were curved there would be a point where you could not see anymore.

Let's take apart these arguments because they are absolutely atrocious and indicative of an absolute lack of basic logic skills.

1. There is a very easy response to be made here but I must first understand whether you want to grant that gravity does indeed exist or if you want to resort to unverifiable biblical information that holds no weight in your "3" counterarguments.

2. This argument is just false. the weight of a balloon relative to a piece of paper is not HUGE. helium's weight is basically negligible. the gravitational force here is NOT comparable WHATSOEVER to the gravitational force of something as heavy as the earth on the weight of a puny person. Moreover, the equation for gravitional force is F = G*m1*m2/r^2, where G is the gravitional constant. even if one's weight is not considerably greater than the other's, the weight of a balloon and a small piece of paper is so little that the numerator will be too small to produce a large value for F. Compare to that the ENORMOUS weight of the earth which will, no matter what, produce a large value for F.

3. Is this argument a joke? Start thinking about how light hits your eyes mormon. Earth is curved but the light hits your eyes at an angle such that it seems flat to you. So as you climb higher and higher, yes you will see more and you will not see a point where nothing else is visible because the light hitting those things just "over the curve" hits your eyes in such a fashion that it appears flat to you. Honestly, has anyone here taken an introductory course in physics in their LIVES? this is basic optics people.
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I don't see any Scripture in your post. How do you expect us to take you seriously?

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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 07-10-2010, 07:53 AM

Did someone close the other thread because I don't understand why you started a new thread when there's a perfectly good discussion already.


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Dear Mr. (or Ms?) "pussymagnet",

If you had actually bothered to read the thread, then you'd find that each of your objections have been answered already. Thoroughly so.

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Thumbs down Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 07-10-2010, 12:15 PM

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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 07-10-2010, 12:28 PM

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This argument is just false.
How convincing.

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Is this argument a joke?
Again I am impressed by your reasoning skills.

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the weight of a balloon relative to a piece of paper is not HUGE. helium's weight is basically negligible. the gravitational force here is NOT comparable WHATSOEVER to the gravitational force of something as heavy as the earth on the weight of a puny person
Let us look at something we will probably agree on. Magnetism. According to your reasoning if I have a small magnet that is close and a big magnet that is far away then metal objects will go to the big magnet right? Now just try this at home to see what really happens. Hey! The magnet that is the closest is the one that attracts the object, not the one that is the biggest! Why would gravity be any different?

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Start thinking about how light hits your eyes mormon. Earth is curved but the light hits your eyes at an angle such that it seems flat to you. So as you climb higher and higher, yes you will see more and you will not see a point where nothing else is visible because the light hitting those things just "over the curve" hits your eyes in such a fashion that it appears flat to you. Honestly, has anyone here taken an introductory course in physics in their LIVES? this is basic optics people.
If you would have paid attention during your "basic optics" lessons instead of masturbating all the time you would have learned two things. First, the resolution of our eyes is limited. So the farther away something is, the harder it will be to see. Second, air is not completely transparent. At short distances this is hard to notice but at long distances this becomes an important factor.

For example with large towers it often depends on the weather how far away you can still see things. According to your completely ridiculous theories you would explain this by the Earth shrinking and growing? Or shape shifting? Don't you see that the simplest explanation, the variable transparency of air based on relative humidity, is a much more logical explanation for this than this completely crazy shape shifting planet theory of yours!?

I think by now you will be ready to admit that God is right and you are wrong.


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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 07-10-2010, 12:34 PM

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this is basic optics
Some basic optics for you. Read all the comments in the original thread and post any further questions you may have there.


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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 02-27-2017, 07:28 PM

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Let us look at something we will probably agree on. Magnetism. According to your reasoning if I have a small magnet that is close and a big magnet that is far away then metal objects will go to the big magnet right? Now just try this at home to see what really happens. Hey! The magnet that is the closest is the one that attracts the object, not the one that is the biggest! Why would gravity be any different?
Gravity is different. Gravity is the byproduct of matter displacing space, causing attraction. Think of a sheet of cloth. Now stick a pencil through that cloth. You have displaced the cloth around the pencil, and the cloth will push against the pencil. The bigger the pencil, the more push you get. Gravity and magnetism are different forces.

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First, the resolution of our eyes is limited. So the farther away something is, the harder it will be to see.
Yes, the further an object is away, the fewer light waves the object reflects will hit your eyes, making it blurry. This does not, however, mean that the earth is flat.

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Second, air is not completely transparent. At short distances this is hard to notice but at long distances this becomes an important factor.
Still doesn't prove the earth is flat.

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For example with large towers it often depends on the weather how far away you can still see things. According to your completely ridiculous theories you would explain this by the Earth shrinking and growing? Or shape shifting?
No. As you said, it depends on the weather. The colder the weather is, and the more liquid there is, the more light will bend around the curvature of the earth. This will allow you to see objects that should be hidden by the curve of the earth. Notice, however, that this doesn't happen all the time. It only happens under specific circumstances.

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Don't you see that the simplest explanation, the variable transparency of air based on relative humidity, is a much more logical explanation for this than this completely crazy shape shifting planet theory of yours!?
Yeah, which is why no-one says the earth shapeshifts.

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Sorry, not convinced.
By whose authority do you claim more knowledge about God's creation than God Almighty Himself?


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I don't claim to have more knowledge than God. I claim to have more knowledge than Rev. Jim Osborne.
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I don't claim to have more knowledge than God. I claim to have more knowledge than Rev. Jim Osborne.
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By whose authority?
Excellent question, Brother. I know Rev. Jim happens to be a True Christian™ and close, personal friend of Jesus. The Good Reverend walks with Jesus daily and Jesus kicks back a lot of blessings, so we know there is a close bond there. To suggest that Jesus allows the Good Reverend to preach in His Name incorrectly is to suggest Jesus is incapable or unwilling to take His friend aside and correct any misunderstandings. Why, this fellow thinks Jesus is either a big, fat liar, or completely impotent! How dare he!


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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 02-27-2017, 08:55 PM

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Excellent question, Brother. I know Rev. Jim happens to be a True Christian™ and close, personal friend of Jesus. The Good Reverend walks with Jesus daily and Jesus kicks back a lot of blessings, so we know there is a close bond there. To suggest that Jesus allows the Good Reverend to preach in His Name incorrectly is to suggest Jesus is incapable or unwilling to take His friend aside and correct any misunderstandings. Why, this fellow thinks Jesus is either a big, fat liar, or completely impotent! How dare he!
Yeah this is where we hit a bit of a snag. Rev. Jim puts forth some experiments to try, I explain why they are inaccurate, but of course they can't be, because Rev. Jim is of the church. This just doesn't work for logical thinking, because essentially Jim is untouchable. Even if he's wrong, no-one can say it, because he's a reverend.


And in this case, Jim is wrong. He's very, very wrong.
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Yeah this is where we hit a bit of a snag.
Indeed we do. The snag is on your end, dear. When the fallible human mind demands to have the same authority over creation as the infallible Divine Will of God, that rebellion retards any further progress of knowledge. The snag is of your own doing. You throw up the straw man argument of "falsification" (see, I can speak Darwin-ese too), rather than maintain the course of the claim, namely the Hand of God guiding all Creation. Rather than try to falsify that claim, you go for the distraction.

You can't fool me. I know this is naught but secular smoke and mirrors because Darwinists like you know you'll once again fail to prove the "force" that holds things to the earth is really Diving Pushing. In reality, Jesus is pushing everything down at a constant rate so we don't float off into space.

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Yeah this is where we hit a bit of a snag. Rev. Jim puts forth some experiments to try, I explain why they are inaccurate, but of course they can't be, because Rev. Jim is of the church. This just doesn't work for logical thinking, because essentially Jim is untouchable. Even if he's wrong, no-one can say it, because he's a reverend.


And in this case, Jim is wrong. He's very, very wrong.
Oh, how many mistakes in only one paragraph.


Rev Jim cannot be mistaken if he is allowed by God to preach in His name.


How do you tell if somebody is right or wrong? There are not untouchables here. IF THEY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE, THEY CONTRADICT GOD. THEN, THEY ARE WRONG.


How do we know evolution is wrong? Because is against what is written the Bible. So called "facts" or "evidence" won't change that. The Bible is right, you are wrong, unless you claim you are better than God.


Or unless you claim that there is no God. But why will you come to a Christian site, to tell us that our God does not exist?


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I don't claim to have more knowledge than God. I claim to have more knowledge than Rev. Jim Osborne.

There is a post in this thread that points out that there is another thread that is dedicated to this subject. That post is dated 07-10-2010, 01:53 AM. Did you read it?

By the way, according to Einstein's general theory of relativity gravity is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime - not a "byproduct of matter displacing space" as you assert. Better that you come back after you have completed an education rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself.


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Gravity is different. Gravity is the byproduct of matter displacing space, causing attraction.
That sounds like a very garbled version of MAGNETISM. Perhaps I misunderstood you? Please explain how atoms displace space.
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Default Re: The Crusade Against Stupidity: Why the Earth is not Flat - 02-28-2017, 01:54 PM

A crusade against stupidity, according to an atheist, is a crusade against Christianity and the weapon is his own hat.




Anyway, the earth is 100% flat, even false religions agree on that. Unfortunately, their aderents are too scared to admit it.
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Yes, the further an object is away, the fewer light waves the object reflects will hit your eyes, making it blurry.
I'm still trying to grasp your idea here and have read through your post again. It still doesn't make sense to me. You keep going on about LIGHT. From what you've written, above, I take it you're saying the sun is close because it's not blurry. The moon is not blurry either by the way. But optics does not just concern itself with light. DARKNESS also needs to be included and you have not done that, so really you're only presenting half the equation.


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The colder the weather is, and the more liquid there is, the more light will bend around the curvature of the earth. This will allow you to see objects that should be hidden by the curve of the earth. Notice, however, that this doesn't happen all the time. It only happens under specific circumstances.
So what you're saying here is that you can see greater distances from Greenland because it's colder and there's more liquid there as opposed to the Amazon where it's hot and so there's not much liquid around and you can't see very far. I'm just not feeling it. You need to include more about darkness, in particular thick darkness, and explain the other points I've mentioned in more detail.
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I'm still trying to grasp your idea here and have read through your post again. It still doesn't make sense to me.
I am confused too, Sister.

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So what you're saying here is that you can see greater distances from Greenland because it's colder and there's more liquid there as opposed to the Amazon where it's hot and so there's not much liquid around and you can't see very far.
Does liquid in the air not count? Because the Amazon is quite steamy, a bit like the kitchen when you're making chutney. Also, it is easy to forget the actual river, which is mostly liquid.

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You need to include more about darkness, in particular thick darkness, and explain the other points I've mentioned in more detail.
I agree that this would be very helpful. This is a most interesting discussion, though!


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