[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

I would simply like to state that I was once agnostic, and your comment which is ignorant and unfounded (Hard to believe it came from a fellow christian) that I must now revert back to agnosticism, because I cannot believe that you have to aggressively push your personal opinions on others to be Christian. If that is what God would want from me, then I am sorry, but I will not disrespect another's personal beliefs and go against my morality just because you all wish me to.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[AlphaAndOmega]

Originally Posted by sweetsweetlordy

No Wayne, I'm afraid I didn't realise I had to do that, but I really just came on here for answers and debate not for this abuse. You jump to conclusions to satisfy your own sodomite thoughts. Don't debase the Lord.

Trust me sweetsweetlordy, I have confirmed that these are right-winged extremists. If they are not, than I fail to see how so many share their opinions. This is why I preferred being agnostic (Before anyone calls me a heathen, research what agnosticism is).

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

Trust me sweetsweetlordy, I have confirmed that these are right-winged extremists. If they are not, than I fail to see how so many share their opinions. This is why I preferred being agnostic (Before anyone calls me a heathen, research what agnosticism is).

I still don't see your introduction post.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

I would simply like to state that I was once agnostic, and your comment which is ignorant and unfounded (Hard to believe it came from a fellow christian) that I must now revert back to agnosticism, because I cannot believe that you have to aggressively push your personal opinions on others to be Christian. If that is what God would want from me, then I am sorry, but I will not disrespect another's personal beliefs and go against my morality just because you all wish me to.

If your faith was so wishy-washy that the lack of personal flattery sends you through a loop, then it was no faith at all, dear. True Christians™ expect persecution, we don't expect flattery. There will be time enough for all the positive attention we could desire when the LORD JESUS HIMSELF welcomes us into Heaven.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

I have confirmed that these are right-winged extremists...

Don't confuse the actual faith of Christ and devotion to His Holy Word with "extremists." Learn what the faith really is before you pronounce judgment on those who follow it as was intended.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

Hard to believe it came from a fellow christian...

For them to be a fellow Christian, you'd have to be a Christian, and you're not.

...that I must now revert back to agnosticism, because I cannot believe that you have to aggressively push your personal opinions on others to be Christian...

Um, hello? Read the Bible.

2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."

And it's not their opinion, it's God's (according to the Bible).

...If that is what God would want from me, then I am sorry, but I will not disrespect another's personal beliefs and go against my morality just because you all wish me to.

Again, THE BIBLE SAYS TO if you want to go to Heaven. These people are just telling you that. If you accept it and become Christian, they'll be happy for the new friend, but if not, they realize that Jesus said that most people are going to Hell anyways:

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

And they'll get over any disappointments once they get to Heaven:

Psalm 2:4 "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision."

[TraumaSandwhich]

Wow there is quite a bit of atheist hate on this site. First I would like to say I am an atheist and I am currently reading the KJV bible and I am proud to say I am reading at above a 12th grade level. To answer your main question I am not an atheist because I "simply cannot understand God" but because I don't believe that there is any good evidence for him, and in regards to some of the other things I've seen on this site( not particularly in this post) is that people are often accused of being devil worshipers and communists. May I be one to say that not all atheists are communists, many are not myself included(I mean I am not a communist in case that was unclear), nor are any atheists devil worshipers because they do not believe in the devil.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

Wow there is quite a bit of atheist hate on this site. First I would like to say I am an atheist and I am currently reading the KJV bible and I am proud to say I am reading at above a 12th grade level.

Based on what I know about American students fresh out of high school, that means that you have 60% chance that you can actually read. Good for you, sweetie.

To answer your main question I am not an atheist because I "simply cannot understand God" but because I don't believe that there is any good evidence for him,

Then you lied when you said you were reading the Bible

[TraumaSandwhich]

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 (1611 King James Bible)

All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,

Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Mark L. Snyde, PhD

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.

Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

Right. There's nothing circular about it. See?



(Copied from this thread).

[TraumaSandwhich]

Originally Posted by Mark L. Snyde, PhD

Friend,

Let me explain. The Bible is the Word of God.



Since God says The Bible is His Word, it must therefore be true. God's word is axiomatic, it does not require proof or evidence.

See how easy it is? Are you ready to cast aside your hatred for God and accept the hematological gift of Christ and become saved?

First off I don't hate God I don't believe in him there is a difference and second you cannot prove that God exists on the fact that the bible says so. To consider the bible as proof you first have to believe it is true, which I do not. And this is circular reasoning because you are saying "God exists because the bible says so and God says the bible is true."

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

Thank you I'm glad that you think I can read, although I hope you realize my statement was one made jokingly(while I do have a 12+ reading level I don't go saying I'm proud of it) and to your second point the bible does not have proof that God exists beyond him saying he does, and as the bible is the word of God it would be circular to use his own word to prove himself.

We have no more proof than that that you exist. If you say you exist, we believe you because you must exist to say you exist. God said He exists, ergo, He exists.

What are you, some kind of idiot?

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by AlphaAndOmega

Trust me sweetsweetlordy, I have confirmed that these are right-winged extremists. If they are not, than I fail to see how so many share their opinions. This is why I preferred being agnostic (Before anyone calls me a heathen, research what agnosticism is).

You are a heathen.

[TraumaSandwhich]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

We have no more proof than that that you exist. If you say you exist, we believe you because you must exist to say you exist. God said He exists, ergo, He exists.

What are you, some kind of idiot?

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

Well that's not true I am telling you what I am saying God uses a few moderators between him and the bible not to mention all of your scripture quotes except the first simply talk about not editing the bible, while the first one says that is profitable for reproof and correction, which is the opposite of the others.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

profitable for reproof and correction,

...of sinners.

It must not be changed because it is the very voice of Jesus. Jesus tells us His will via the Bible.

Can't you see that?

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Thank you for correcting me on that quote I thought it meant the bible. And just because the bible is Jesus' way of telling us his will it cannot be proof that he is who he says he is. If I say that I am a ten foot tall lava eating man(which I am not for the record) and I say well here is my proof that I am and I hand you a book and in that book it says that whatever I say is true, then does that make me a ten foot tall lava eating man?

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by TraumaSandwhich

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

So then, your point is that since God didn't register for the draft, had no drivers license or passport and was unknown to the God forsaken Federal Government, that He could not have existed. That is what we call circular reasoning. You are making assumptions and then basing your other assumptions on the first assumptions and citing those assumptions as proof of your later assumptions.

You are another atheist, here to splain it all to us. Many have come before you. All have honored their own intellect and talked down to us Christians, as if we are fools. And yet we have this nifty website and you don't have one at all. You are drawn here by the intense magnatism of God's Truth and yet you are too blind to see it right here before you. We have seen all this many times.

You are a smart atheist, an intellectual in your own mind. Hell is full of smart atheists and there is always plenty of room for more.

God Bless!