[Dr Laurence Niles]

I don't understand. If you are against Onanism and seed spillage why are you not also against queers?

YIC

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Laurence Niles

I don't understand. If you are against Onanism and seed spillage why are you not also against queers?

YIC

Such a good question, Brother Niles. I mean, if one recognizes the deep hurt it causes the Sweet Baby Jesus to see a man's seed spill on the ground (or tissue or down the shower drain), then how can it not cause the LORD great distress to see seed spilled in the Drain o' Hell that is the homosexual's anus?

[Odef 01]

Originally Posted by Captain James T. Kirk

Dude, every football player is gay! Entire teams of men in tight pants banging each other around? If that's not gay then I'm not getting funky with (young Kirstie Alley) Savik! And let me tell you, I am getting funky with (young Kirstie Alley) Savik! She don't need no pon farr! LOL!

Live long and parTAY my friends!

And did you ever notice that they are forever touching each other (spanking) on the field....the camera men must be homos too, always zooming in on it.

GOD is GOOD!!

[Raiserguy]

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!? why is there so much offense and hatred flying back and forth between you people. why are people attacking each other here because im sure this would not be ok with jesus. Even if these men are gay which the evidence given isnt very convincing so what if they are gay that doesnt make them any less a sinner then the next person, it has been stated that there are no more wise men in this world and there is no one perfect on this earth we are all sinners and we all struggle with different sins. How is taking personal offense or hating someone going to help anything. Jesus said blessed are those who strive for peace for they will be called the children of God. Ignore the speech of those who consider themselves athiest they are just here to antagonize people but in the same token stop spreading hatred of homosexuality because jesus said the kingdom of heaven is open to all who have faith in him and God and there is nothing further from God than hatred because God himself is love. Love is forgiveness, compassion, mercy, kindness, acceptance, and patient. there is no need for all of this arguing seriously it is pointless

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Raiser77

God himself is love. Love is forgiveness, compassion, mercy, kindness, acceptance, and patient. there is no need for all of this arguing seriously it is pointless

You want to claim that "Jesus does not hate anyone."

That's not true. God hates the sin AND the sinner, and Jesus is God (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.).

Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Please read the WHOLE Bible before it's too late.

Before you complain about the the fact that the verses I cited were from the Old Testament, as if that somehow makes them worthless, consider this:

In the Old Testament, it says that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5).

In the New Testament, what does Jesus say that he is going to do to these workers of iniquity? Is he going to love them? Is he going to be their pal, and tell them that it's ok to be themselves? Let's see...

Matt 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I pray that you have found this enlightening.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Raiserguy]

Jesus does not hate anyone jesus hates what we do and even that maybe so that doesnt mean he loves us any less. He even stated that you should love your enemy as your love yourself for what else do you do differently than the next person.

That statment about the iniquity thing yes jesus said In the end of days many will come to me and say see Lord did i not do many things and works in your name and I say will get thee from me you workers of iniquity. (basically meaning those who think they are doing things in the name of jesus and God are mistaken.) God and jesus are one and yet they are seperate as jesus is our lord and king but God is our GOD the one and only who is also many as the old latin version of the bible stated.

I have followed God in my pursuit of knowledge and i know you must be careful of the devils work but God has lead me to the answer that the old testament is obselete in terms of what God wants us to do. If we were to follow the rules of the old testament we would all be going to hell in a hand basket because all of us are imperfect the rules in the past were very strict and before God destroyed us he gave us one last chance and that was jesus. when jesus was crucified the book to the old testament was closed. Jesus said i have not come here to abolish the old testament but to fulfill it. then later on he states that nothing will change from his statements until all has been fulfilled. This means that God does change things as needed and he changed the testament by fulfilling the old testament because God is no liar so when he says something will happen it must happen first then he changes things
The old testament spoke of vengeance and things of that nature where as the new speaks of forgiveness and love which is the complete opposite.

Im not here to convince you of anything about the bible all im sayin is there is no need for this fighting and arguing dude seriously.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

blah blah blah God and jesus are one and yet they are seperate as jesus is our lord and king but God is our GOD the one and only who is also many blah blah blah

Baloney.



(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Raiserguy]

these are the kinds of things that push people away from God in the first place. people preach and talk about God like he is some kind of tyrant. Yes his power is something to be feared but above that you should first love and respect God. even jesus said the most important commandement is to love God with all your heart. when did you ever see jesus preach hatred of any kind? if they are one in the same then surely God must feel the same way. because we all have our own sins you are forbidden by Jesus to judge anyone for the things they do even homosexuality which i believe the sin lies not in being a homosexual but rather engaging in homosexual acts which is no different from fornecation between to heterosexuals they are both sins. It is a misguided view and idea to think that God is a preacher of hatred in anyway that would make everything jesus preached false and i dont believe that for one second. I believe in a God of love and justice not of vengeance they are not the same

[Raiserguy]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Baloney.



(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

do you even understand what that means? or are you just reading it and not dissecting it.
They are one yes but they are separate yes. I know it sounds crazy but it is the truth God works directly through jesus thats why they are one but they are still two different beings. its almost like if you were to have a soul and you split in half to create two beings they are the're own seperate beings yet they are the same. i dont know if that makes sense

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

Jesus does not hate anyone.

Here are a few quotes from Jesus that reveal your ignorance.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.
"STIFFNECKED AND UNCIRCUMCISED" Acts7:53 "...stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart"
"LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, SLOW BELLIES" Titus 1:12 (see also 2Peter 2:12, Jude 10)
"ADULTERERS AND ADULTERESSES" Hebrews 13:4 "...whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" James 4:4 "Ye adulterers and adulteresses..." (see also Rom 7:3, Mat. 12:39, 16:4, Mark 8:38)
"WHITED WALL" Acts 23:3 Paul to the high priest .

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

do you even understand what that means? or are you just reading it and not dissecting it.
They are one yes but they are separate yes. I know it sounds crazy but it is the truth God works directly through jesus thats why they are one but they are still two different beings. its almost like if you were to have a soul and you split in half to create two beings they are the're own seperate beings yet they are the same. i dont know if that makes sense

Splitting a soul in half?



You've been reading too much Harry Potter. There are no horcruxes in Heaven.

Yours in Christ (NOT DUMBLEDORE),

Zech

[Raiserguy]

actually you know what ignore everything ive said and carry on as you guys wish to. Once in the world Jesus would walk into towns and start to preach the word and people would turn on him and attack him with stones and words and you know what jesus would do. He would pack his things and leave once he saw that they would not listen so i will do as my lord did in the past and follow his example and let you guys be who wish to be and who you think you should be for it is not my place to say or do anything about what you do. forgive me for trying to incite peace perhaps i went about it the wrong way or perhaps it was foolish of me to speak in the first place.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

actually you know what ignore everything ive said and carry on as you guys wish to. Once in the world Jesus would walk into towns and start to preach the word and people would turn on him and attack him with stones and words and you know what jesus would do. He would pack his things and leave once he saw that they would not listen so i will do as my lord did in the past and follow his example and let you guys be who wish to be and who you think you should be for it is not my place to say or do anything about what you do. forgive me for trying to incite peace perhaps i went about it the wrong way or perhaps it was foolish of me to speak in the first place.

You're comparing yourself to JESUS?

SERIOUSLY!?!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

actually you know what ignore everything ive said and carry on as you guys wish to. Once in the world Jesus would walk into towns and start to preach the word and people would turn on him and attack him with stones and words and you know what jesus would do. He would pack his things and leave once he saw that they would not listen so i will do as my lord did in the past and follow his example and let you guys be who wish to be and who you think you should be for it is not my place to say or do anything about what you do. forgive me for trying to incite peace perhaps i went about it the wrong way or perhaps it was foolish of me to speak in the first place.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Raiserguy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Here are a few quotes from Jesus that reveal your ignorance.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.
"STIFFNECKED AND UNCIRCUMCISED" Acts7:53 "...stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart"
"LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, SLOW BELLIES" Titus 1:12 (see also 2Peter 2:12, Jude 10)
"ADULTERERS AND ADULTERESSES" Hebrews 13:4 "...whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" James 4:4 "Ye adulterers and adulteresses..." (see also Rom 7:3, Mat. 12:39, 16:4, Mark 8:38)
"WHITED WALL" Acts 23:3 Paul to the high priest .

funny you quote all the verses i am very familiar with for the book of matthew is my favorite book in the entire bible and i have read over countless times and woe is you for you do not truly understand the word of your lord and savior as jesus stated "blessed is he who can read these words and truly understand what they mean." and i dont even like the harry potter books

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

...God has lead me to the answer that the old testament is obselete...

Jesus disagrees. Who says this? YOU DO:

...Jesus said i have not come here to abolish the old testament but to fulfill it...

Protip: contradicting yourself in the same post does not build faith in your judgement.

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

funny you quote all the verses i am very familiar with for the book of matthew is my favorite book in the entire bible

Excellent, I will be quizzing you on it shortly.

Originally Posted by Raiserguy

and i have read over countless times and woe is you for you do not truly understand the word of your lord and savior as jesus stated "blessed is he who can read these words and truly understand what they mean."

If you have such a deep understanding of Matthew, please tell me what Jesus' problem with the Pharisees is. What is it that He is constantly criticizing them for?

[Carl the wop]

Just the idea that there are positions called the "tight end" and "wide receiver" are proof positive of the Homersexual influence in the NFL.

[mike112572]

Originally Posted by Atheistt

Dude, the "holy" bible is a lie... It is about things nobody never saw or heard. With other words the bible is a big story book, like Harry Potter or Lords of the Rings.
Hell or Heaven is a dream. A Dream that will NEVER be true...

you obviously have never read the bible or any history books..try Matthew 2. King Herod? Dont know if you ever heard of him? He drew up the plans for Herodium, Caesarea , and Masada masada i might ad is really cool!! would love to have seen it in its glory day. I guess the Bible mUst be make believe because Herod is mentioned in the bible (rolls eyes)...

[Mary Etheldreda]

Thanks to the prayers of the faithful, like our own dear Faith Machine, we can keep Sin Francisco 49er Michael Crabtree off this list!

With JESUS, ALL THINGS are possible!