[kaljatuoppi]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Juice

Of course not, since they don´t have a God. They believe in some abomination and are going straight to hell. There is only one God and one true religion!

YiC
Paavali

That's why it sounds extraordinally good. No God - no killing atleast seems to be that way.

But again, these moomins? I assume the series is published in English.. I see that there's lots of things True Christian Baptists considers bad and satanist. But that is already very clear to me that Baptists are not that tolerant of other cultures or races.. I, in the other hand have seen it differentely. Moomins have not ever hurted, robbed, killed, raped or mistreated anyone in any way. Of my closed mindness I can't understand how you see them as bad rolemodel. Okay they dont carry any crosses or any other religious marks, thats for sure. They are pagans and goodwilling pagans they are. If some people can't see that any pagan can be a good person without somekind of "only true religion", thats sad.
There's some witches in the series, but them are also good willing. It's not bad to have imagination, unless it's threat to something bigger, like to a religion. For any person it's good to get a different watching angle towards life. If not, that person still lives figuratively in the dark ages. I depend on science, because it really can answer most of my guestions about life. I don't expect you to accept that, so dont even start to dismiss science.
I was approached by a higher administrator of this forum (and of the baptist church). He seemed to be more understanding than others on this forum. You should learn something from him, especially forgiveness and tolerance.

[JackTheReborn]

Originally Posted by AussieFinn

Surely it is God's position to judge people (as individuals and not as races or countries) and decide their fate, not yours.

Are you telling God, our LORD how to judge??!! Repent that thought for it is not you who should give our LORD advice.

Originally Posted by AussieFinn

I would also like to point out that Finns are not Scandinavian. The countries that make up Scandinavia blaah blaah...

As far as being ''eskimos'' (another racist term used for inuits) they are far and few between these days. You certainly won't find them in blaah blaah...

Finns, Swedes, Eskimos... Who cares. Close enough, that's not important. What is important is Jesus Christ. And what do you know anyway, you live in Australia.

Originally Posted by AussieFinn

As far as the Moomins go. Each person is entitled to their opinion I suppose blah blaah...

It is not a question of opinions but the truth. Moomins are evil and it has been proven. Haven't you read this thread?

Jesus will help you but only if you open your heart and let him in.


Love and Peace, Jack

[kaljatuoppi]

Originally Posted by JackTheReborn

Mr. Kaljat, thinking that you love Jesus and having a high opinion of Him is a good start but you still need Righteous Guidance for obvious reasons. Please read the on-line ceremonies that are available in the Landover Babtist Church's website, study the Bible and above all pray the LORD. Remember that your mind is still contaminated with Lutheric worshipping which is, sad to say, one of the Apostacy sects.

Let the clensing begin by repenting the following of your false Lutheric preachers and try to purify your mind of the evil Moomin influences. Stop smoking and reduce the amount of non-holified wine your consume.


I will pray for you,

Loce and Peace, Jack

Thanks for your prayers. Atleast you are not damning me to lowest of hell and thats a good thing, I guess. And what comes to the lutheric dogmas, yes you are true that they are false and I have repented them 10 years ago. (That makes me half clensed already ?) Though I really think that the God in Lutheric and Baptist (don't send me to hell for this) religions are the same. Only the interpretations of the Bible are different. But that's just the religion teaching in finnish schools.
But for now I'm not looking any Savior in to my life, thank you. I have too much on my mind because of studying in University. Maybe later!

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by kaljatuoppi

There's some witches in the series, but them are also good willing. It's not bad to have imagination, unless it's threat to something bigger, like to a religion.

Oh for crying out loud, please pay attention!

Originally Posted by GOD

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

See? That's GOD talking. Not us. So you just confirmed that Moomins are indeed dangerous to our religion.

Get it now?

[thegroke]

The Moomintrolls doesn't even have reproductive organs (not mentioned anyway), stating that the Moomintroll wasn't borned the old fashioned way.
Didn't something similar happen with some other guy in your book, or am I wrong?

Where did you get the part that Hemulen is a "lewd sodomite" that "goes constantly on sex vacations"?

Again let's journey back to the part in your book where the guy with the wavy, blond hair surrounds himself with no less than twelve "apprentices".

But, for writing this mighty far-fetched, but well-paced funny text I like you anyway =)

[kaljatuoppi]

Originally Posted by Wide-Open

Oh for crying out loud, please pay attention!



See? That's GOD talking. Not us. So you just confirmed that Moomins are indeed dangerous to our religion.

Get it now?

For I have not any love towards any religion (only understanding for the ignorant), I must say that's not a bad thing. My only attempt here was to tell how goodwilling moomins are. And they are. Because of all the crusades and other wars that has been made in the name of god, many people has died (in vain).

Therefore I must deny all religions for their violence and I wouldn't be too sad if there was no religions at all.

Why somebody dragged the finnish president into this? Ok, she doesn't belong to any chuch, but that's because she sees the things how church insults the basic civil rights. And guess what, the moomins doesn't! They can't be claimed to be evil creatures.

[LifeAndTruth]

Thank you. Im not one of those who want to banish every single thing that doesnt have the Message of Christ in it but a lot of childrens books are simply dangerous and misleading. I have never heard of these books before but they seem awful and full of lies. How someone can do this to a child I will never understand. Please of you see these books at your mall let the people there know what they are selling to children. Thanks!

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by thegroke

The Moomintrolls doesn't even have reproductive organs (not mentioned anyway), stating that the Moomintroll wasn't borned the old fashioned way.
Didn't something similar happen with some other guy in your book, or am I wrong?

This is really getting worse and worse. I am NOT going to discuss The Baby Jesus' Thallywhacker with you.

Again let's journey back to the part in your book where the guy with the wavy, blond hair surrounds himself with no less than twelve "apprentices".

Sure, go ahead, now call God a homersexural, why don't you.

Have a bit of respect, young man.

[LifeAndTruth]

I want to also say that there are many other things "out there" that are as bad as moomins and even worse. Even in school books! My daughter was reading a book about apes that she got from her teacher. Why do they want our children to learn about apes? Humans are not apes, there is no scientific proof of that. I will never understand it. Thanks!

[kaljatuoppi]

And for jack the reborn:

You are just a basic troller who tries to make baptists look more ignorant as they looked before.

"Finns, swedes, eskimos ...who cares"

I think it works.

Because I'm an atheist and I dont believe the afterlife, it gives me a good chance to live my life as good person. Also that's why I have conscience. I don't believe that every mistake goes away by praying, confessing or by other religious ritual. Every man takes responsibility of hes own actions. I understand if somebody can't and lifts the weight off their shoulders by believeing to something that doesn't exist.

Thats worst thing that human can do... or think "Kill, rape, rob! Live your life how ever you want! Because if you believe to the Savior and ask for his forgiveness you will be saved to salvation when you die". So Jesus takes away your sins and you are pure. That makes me puke!

Think about the death rows. There's murderers, rapist and other worst people nowdays. They get the their sins forgived by a priest before execution. And what if they were ever baptised? C'mon.. The heaven is full of bad people. If there was, I didn't even want to go there.

[thegroke]

Dear Wide-Open,

I have no interest in calling your God a homosexual, I really don't. But it is ridiculous to publish this kind of material without even reading the books. It is shocking that it even is in the Baptist Church's interest to condemn children's books written by one of Finland's most prestigious writers. And sure, we may write what we want for it is our right. But this does contain an important ingredient; truth. Have you studied the books yourself or do you just behave?

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Originally Posted by thegroke

Dear Wide-Open,

I have no interest in calling your God a homosexual, I really don't. But it is ridiculous to publish this kind of material without even reading the books. It is shocking that it even is in the Baptist Church's interest to condemn children's books written by one of Finland's most prestigious writers. And sure, we may write what we want for it is our right. But this does contain an important ingredient; truth. Have you studied the books yourself or do you just behave?

You believe Moomins are REAL?

Come on! No self-respecting adult believes in fairy tale hermaphrodite blobs for real?

What's next? You believe in trolls? Pixies?
Ach, well, so long as you've got your elf I suppose...

[I-Hate-Juice]

Originally Posted by thegroke

Dear Wide-Open,

I have no interest in calling your God a homosexual, I really don't. But it is ridiculous to publish this kind of material without even reading the books. It is shocking that it even is in the Baptist Church's interest to condemn children's books written by one of Finland's most prestigious writers. And sure, we may write what we want for it is our right. But this does contain an important ingredient; truth. Have you studied the books yourself or do you just behave?

Funny and also sad, how you atheists seem to present valid arguments towards a true religion, but still you lack the common sense to see the paradox in what you utter out. And how dare you even imply such things about God!

Have you read the Bible?
Have you claimed false things about our true religion?
Do we have the same rights as you have?
And what is truth? Is truth only reserved to those who neglect to believe in the ultimate truth?

You evil sinner you will face Gods wrath when your time comes

YiC
Paavali

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by thegroke

Have you studied the books yourself or do you just behave?

I hadn't until Brother Alphonse alerted us about this abomination.

As a Pastor, I have to read and watch EVERYTHING. How can we condemn, and protect our flock, if we don't read or watch all that filth?

It is a dirty and sickening part of the job, but it has to be done.

[thegroke]

Originally Posted by Lost Sheep McUinnean

You believe Moomins are REAL?

Come on! No self-respecting adult believes in fairy tale hermaphrodite blobs for real?

What's next? You believe in trolls? Pixies?
Ach, well, so long as you've got your elf I suppose...

You believe your religion is for REAL?

Come on! No self-respecting adult believes in fairy tale hermaphrodite blobs for real?

Ach, well, so long as you've got your Jesus I suppose...

Talking about self-respecting adults whos pondering life's big questions; apparently, all I have to do to get you upset is mentioning that some hippo-like fairytale creatures with hats maybe aren't just as evil as you think they are.

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by thegroke

Talking about self-respecting adults whos pondering life's big questions; apparently, all I have to do to get you upset is mentioning that some hippo-like fairytale creatures with hats maybe aren't just as evil as you think they are.

Ehm. We just posted some information for our congregation. Next thing you know, about 100,000 Finns are up in arms about that and come here to call us names.

I wonder who's being the adult here.

[thegroke]

I can't stand for what 100,000 finns are calling you, and I haven't for all I know been calling you anything. But you are really eager to condemn things or am I wrong?

And I DIDN'T questioning Christianity, I used exactly the words he used.

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by thegroke

But you are really eager to condemn things or am I wrong?

You are dead wrong. See, we do have feelings. Before I got Saved, I even had homosexural friends. But the Bible is very clear about them, and I have turned them away. I still cry from time to time because a) they will end up in hell and b) they make Jesus cry. If only they would stop their death-style!

We at Landover follow the Bible word for word. We are not like all those other liebral churches like the Westboro Baptist Church who even allow WOMEN to preach to the congregation. This is an abomination:

1st Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

God said it, and that's good enough for me. "Eager" has nothing to do with it.

[thegroke]

Originally Posted by Wide-Open

This is an abomination:

1st Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

God said it, and that's good enough for me. "Eager" has nothing to do with it.

I am with you on that one.

[Talipallo]

I was just watching some moomin episodes and the moomin pappa and moomin mamma are married, pappa calls mamma his wife. I can only wonder how much more of the points made in the first post are made up...

In school we are teached god forgives us for our sins as jeesus suffered for them on the cross. Why would a person condem gays if god himself forgives us for the sins we do?