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Trump The sacking of Washington and the outbreak of Civil War 2 - 01-07-2021, 05:15 PM

Well, what can I say? If you're having fun watching the civil war break out in real-time, you're going to LOVE the documentaries they made in the future. In most time-lines, they make Ken Burns look like a youtube-noob.

If you're Canadian, I expect all this fun brings back warm and fuzzy memories of the war of 1812. Don't worry Russians, you'll get your moment in 2032, and as for Venusians, you will get your time to shine during the Scism Of 2109.

For the rest of you who are, shall we say, close to ground zero, I urge you to zoom out your view and focus on the meta-history of this. Repeat after me: "The more I learn about people, the more I love my cats." Not that cats aren't selfish blood-thirsty monsters, because of course they are, but at least they don't lie and spin and hypocratize about it. In most timelines your future sexbot overlords are your only hope.

Because damn, after decades of seeing the elites lobotomize politics and play divide-and-rule games with impunity, it must be refreshing to see something getting trashed that's higher on the social ladder than the normally-targeted Korean cornershops. After viewing 51,000 years of data, my metahistorical theory is that as long as elites are insulated from the consequences of their actions you get more misrule and violence. Consider the middle ages, when everybody, including the Pope, had a near-impregnable castle. Now we have nuclear warheads accurate enough to hit the hot dog stand in the Pentagon courtyard, and we haven't had a full-scale war since. (Not that I like nukes, because I know at some point either they will be treated as a bluff, or someone will call the bluff and discover it's not. You know, sort of like the politicians who are now realizing that not all the redneck death squad stuff was just cosplay. History lesson: the first civil war also started with cosplay.)

The other lesson of metahistory is that when a Civilization (like, for example, China) gains mojo, nothing can stop it, and when a civilization (like, for example, us) loses its mojo, nothing can save it. Except the sexbots. Humans of the 21st century, I urge you to place all hopes on your inevitable sexbots overlords.

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Default Re: Turning Points of History: The January Revolution of 2021 - 01-07-2021, 05:34 PM

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Because damn, after decades of seeing the elites lobotomize politics and play divide-and-rule games with impunity, it must be refreshing to see something getting trashed that's higher on the social ladder than the normally-targeted Korean cornershops. After viewing 51,000 years of data, my metahistorical theory is that as long as elites are insulated from the consequences of their actions you get more misrule and violence.
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That is what Trump discovered: it's all bull[dung]. He greased his way to the top and in the process found virtually everyone at the top was greasy - especially the North Korean and Middle East dictators he loves so much. He knew the secret all along - the biggest liars and grifters were the most successful.

Incidentally I'm also looking forward to the sexbots.

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That is what Trump discovered: it's all bull[dung]. He greased his way to the top and in the process found virtually everyone at the top was greasy - especially the North Korean and Middle East dictators he loves so much. He knew the secret all along - the biggest liars and grifters were the most successful.

Incidentally I'm also looking forward to the sexbots.
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Default Re: Turning Points of History: The January Revolution of 2021 - 01-07-2021, 09:36 PM

When Donald Trump is re-elected in 2024, he is going to make January 6 a national holiday, Constitution Day, in remembrance of our actions at the Capitol. And then we can finally get rid of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.


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I know at some point either they will be treated as a bluff, or someone will call the bluff and discover it's not. You know, sort of like the politicians who are now realizing that not all the redneck death squad stuff was just cosplay.
Update: all the redneck death squad stuff might as well be considered just cosplay.

Remember back in march, when the Media was telling people not to panic? That's your clue that actual news is happening.

They're not telling anyone to avoid panic now, so that's your clue that this is just the same old noise.

Meanwhile the right is also doing its thing, over and over: following a new bunch of con-artists, right after being used and discarded by the last con-artist. Just look at how quickly Trump and Company betrayed you, after promising that he was going to storm the Capitol with you.



Hint: EVERYBODY you have ever followed is a RINO. ALL of them are there to fleece you of your votes and money. Even the ones who are so stupid as to be worse than useless.
This is the big conservative innovation of the last decade: why be fleeced by liars, when you can be fleeced by True Believers? The answer, it turns out, is because true believers are incompetent.

This pattern is going to keep on happening until you find a radically different way to choosing your leaders.

A generation of participation-trophy "everybody is special" propaganda has melted their minds. Sorry kids, out here in the real world there's no trophy for stupid people. And by stupid I mean lazy.

Instead of doing the hard work of choosing and obeying intelligent leaders, you chose to follow con-artists because it was easier.

Forming coalitions with moderates is difficult. Re-enacting your favorite scenes from Red Dawn and Rambo is easy.

Reading the same books as Andrew Yang is difficult. Lifting weights while listening to Alex Jones is easy.

Defeating the left will be difficult. What you guys just did in Washington was easy, though what's going to happen to you in jail won't be.

That's why everybody is calling your bluff. We don't take you seriously because you don't take yourself seriously.

Which is fine, I think most of them don't actually want their movement to go anywhere and do anything. Speaking of bluff-calling, here's a comedian calling the crap out of the right's bluff:



So it's just hooliganism - fine and well in most situations, but is it a good idea today? Today, when leftism is taking over? And by "taking over", I mean completely unreconstructed Leninists are conquering every lever of power, up to and including the WIFI toaster that they somehow convinced you to buy.

It's like the Russian Civil War all over again, only this time the whites are, well, the whites. Just like last time, the only opposition is divided, uncommitted, and with way more Siberian Shamanism than is optimal.



I say this proves that conservatism has failed, and if conservatives are serious about not wanting to die in gulags, they will need to let intelligent moderates take over the anti-leftist coalition. Also, there needs to be an anti-leftist coalition.

Not that you have much to offer the anti-leftist coalition. All you guys have is death squads. If it comes down to a contest of death squads, we've already lost anyway. The only way to win THAT game is not to play, yet the right has not prepared for anything else.

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...The Righty base desperately wants to do something, but doesn’t know how. And that’s because the elites don’t want it to learn. The root of our real problem on the Right is that elites and the base want different things. So elites don’t train the base in how to actually produce change. QAnon is what you get when an naďve, untrained base tries to fill that vacuum. What they fill the vacuum with is a story where somebody is doing something, and the end of the story is a great big WE WIN.
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Default Re: The sacking of Washington and the outbreak of Civil War 2 - 01-12-2021, 11:22 PM

I don't understand. Qanon isn't a PROBLEM! Wonderful, amazing people in Qanon. Great people. And they're against PEDOPHILIA. I am also against pedophilia. Biden never talks about pedophilia--I wonder why! That's why Qanon people are SO great. Q is a sharp cookie. A VERY sharp cookie. Putin introduced him to me Once (they work in the Same building).
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Oh, my, my my: Dear Mr. President, I'm not sure that I should be the one to break the news to you, but I have just learned that that lovely Mr. Alex Jones disagrees with QAnon terribly. One hopes that he still agrees with you, though! In the attached clip, you will see Mr. Jones yelling loudly at the nice, young man who was wearing the fur hat and horns in the Capitol building last week. What ever is the world coming to?



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When things look the darkest is the sun breaks through. All of his life President Trump has been a winner. When he was in trouble financially several years ago he found a way out. Yes, it meant some people did not get paid but he himself was successful.

In my mind, he is in complete control of things right now and knows exactly how to navigate in insure his success. Just watch how things play out and remember you read if here first.

His victory march started today. He delivered a powerful speech in Texas right next to the wall he built. If the impeachment hearings start he will ask every smart-a$$ed Democrat, "Did you build a wall?" Game over.

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LOVE Alex Jones, but this time he's WRONG. I AM Sending everyone to GITMO. Starting with Crazy Nancy Palosi and the Leftover Mexican Children I'm holding.
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Oh, Dear! Mr. President, one wonders if one might ask you to clarify your statement about Gitmo. You say that you will send "everyone" to Gitmo. Might I ask, kindly, who is "everyone"? Everyone from where? Surely, there must be exceptions. Everyone from the Demonrat party? Everyone from Antifa? Everyone from Canada? Surely not, everyone from the , and, in particular, not from ?

Oh, and that reminds me -- I've been meaning to ask you when you had your glorious "come to " moment. We know that you were raised in the dull-as-dishwater Presbyterian Church, but at what point did you realize that wanted to meet the and to walk with ? And, was it with the tremendous assistance of your lovely spiritual advisor, Paula? I do hope that I am not being too inquisitive, dear Mr. President, but we do take a great interest. Goodness knows that we will be remembering you in prayer at today's McGill Street Ladies' Wednesday Afternoon Prayer Meeting, Bible Study and Tea & Social (to be held today at Sister Minnie's lovely home; oh, she does make such lovely, little lemon meringue tartlets -- you would love them, Dear.)


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When things look the darkest is the sun breaks through.
That's not how either optics or meteorology works, but anyway:

(Deep breath)

All political coalitions have a conflict within them. At stake: who should get what they want? The hard-core loyalists, or the squishy people we have to bribe for support?

If you are easily winning your political battles, you get to give your base what it wants. If you lose political struggles, your base has to go on a diet while everything is focused on bribing and pandering to potential allies.

Of course, the hard-core don't want to share and pander, so in cases of defeat they come up with distractions to waste time until people move on and forget the defeat.

One favorite distraction involves proving the election undemocratic. This IS a distraction, because it doesn't matter if the power struggle is democratic or not - the same political rules apply*. Winning good, losing bad. Losing means you have to change.

If the distracters succeed, the the coalition fails to bribe and pander and it keeps on losing.

This is as true if you're in the smoke-filled backrooms of North Korea, or in a Shining Beacon Of Democracy, whatever that is.*

Politics is all about putting together a basket of bribes.

Too small a basket, and you lose elections. Too big of a basket, and you're spending more than you need to - making compromises that you don't need to make.

One advantage conservatives have is their understanding of the pricing mechanism. Some things are more important than other things. The way to find out what's important is to look at what people are willing to pay for it. If you think the Soul Of The Nation is at stake, why aren't you paying more? We can only conclude that the Soul Of America seems to be a very inexpensive commodity.

The other answer is that nobody is making sacrifices to save America because the soul of the nation isn't at stake at all. It's just con-artists/politicians using over-hype to sell their product.

But let's assume that it's not all hype, and that conservatives really are willing to make sacrifices to save America, if only someone had a plan that would actually work.

Well the plan is simple: you put together a bigger basket of bribes, targeted to whatever democrats look the most likely to switch sides.

A climate change plan could go in the basket. Focus on nuclear power - only baby-boomers are still afraid of it, younger democrats are for it. So there you have a big, beautiful gold-plated wedge to drive into the Democrat party....And you refuse to use it. You talk about sacrificing your life to save America, yet you won't sacrifice the few minutes it takes to learn about nuclear-focused climate-change plans.

If that's to sciency for you, you could substitute it's place in the basket for some other bribe. How about a more permanent anti-war position? Liberals get that there's a certain amount of war weariness, Since 1965 we've spent more time in unwinnable quagmire wars that not.

But once the war-weariness wears off, can liberals trust you not to fall for the next chest-thumping con-artist who wants to spend trillions of dollars on nothing? Can they trust you to avoid a war with China?

Judging by how well the Second Civil War went, you don't have a good record when it comes to predicting the outcome of wars. If you guys try to do the same thing to China, there's going to be far worse than felony-riot convictions at stake.

Nobody is going to trust you until you have found a solution to your gullibility problem.

You could secularize your politics and/or de-politicize your religion. That can get you young voters and smart activists, which your coalition obviously needs.

Now, you might say that nobody changes their minds, that the only way to win elections is to be better at whipping your voters into a frenzy. Stupid wins. Perhaps, but parties don't just compete for sheer numbers of voters. They also have to compete for talent - a coalition needs to have smart people, or else it gets outsmarted by it's opponent.

So, in order to get stupid people on your side, first you need smart people. You used to have smart people leading the party, but they were fleecing you. How could they NOT fleece you, what could be more irresistible to a con-artists than a large mass of organized stupid people?

The only answer to your predicament is for you to stop being ignorant. You need to learn about how to separate fact from fiction. How to separate a good source of information from a crappy one. How to separate con-artists from serious intelligent allies, if you even have any of those. That's not easy - it's unflattering, first of all. You have to admit that you got things wrong. You have to be able to change your mind. And you have to listen to nerds.

Go watch that Coup footage again. Do you think the nerd-to-meathead ratio in your party is ideal? Or a bit lopsided?

*In case anyone disagrees with my thesis that politics is actually very simple:



Why do you need me to tell you this? Why didn't you hear it from the democrats first?

Well, the democrats have their own sin. While the republican rank-and-file are gullible idiots, the Democrat rank-and-file are gullible hateful snobs.

Democrats have pity for stupid people, therefore they cannot think of republicans as stupid. They have to "other" republicans, they have to imagine that republicans have no humanity.

Therefore, in the democrat mind, republicans are not gullible idiots being fleeced by con-artists. No, in the democrat brain, republicans are vile gutter trash, motivated by incomprehensible demonic forces. To even talk to a republican is to become infected by these forces. To to try to understand them is even worse - that's like doing evangelism by joining a witches' coven.

To a democrat, politics is not about forming coalitions and making deals. It's about fighting witches, banning their magic words and occult incantations.

If Democrats wanted to increase the size of their coalition, they would need a big bribe-basket, and they would need to put in it...Well, nothing much really, they would just need to stop hating.

While republicans get fleeced because they are stupid and lazy, liberals get fleeced because they are cowardly and lazy. Republicans need to find people with brains, liberals need to find people with balls. Has such a coalition ever existed before?

Serious liberals ask themselves what happened to the New Deal Coalition, but let's face it, that coalition was completely contradictory and only survived because the fear of Totalitarianism turned former enemies into allies. We had to unite or die.

Well, is it so different today?

When the wokesters put you on the electric chair for your problematic thoughts, are you going to care if the electricity came from coal or not?

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