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11-27-2007, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RautaKansleri
Yes, it does make sense when you put it that way. But you use it differently. The fact that someone is not a christian doesn't mean their hellbound, UNLESS they're against Jesus.
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No. All have sinned. The punishment for sin is Hell. The only way to truly repent of your sins is to accept Christ. This is hardly controversial stuff we're discussing here.
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That's my point. When you say it, it means that if you're not a christian, you're a satanist. But I think I should be somehow against Jesus to be his enemy.
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I think you should be with Jesus, and not be His enemy. Life's a lot easier that way.
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And since there are also religions that tolerate other gods and aren't against them, then saying "If you're not against me, you're with me" means that they, too, are on the side of God.
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No, they're against God, meaning that, they, um, are against God. What's so difficult to understand about that?
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
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11-27-2007, 03:18 PM
No, what's so difficult to understand when someone says that they aren't against God? So, like, if I say I'm not against God, it means that I, in fact AM against God?! Strange logic you have. And I never said I'm Jesus' enemy, you must've misread that. But you have a point that all have sinned. But then again, if, when one isn't against Jesus, he is on his side, then how can you go to hell?! That's my point. The Bible is controversial. This is because it was written by humans. Men's logic is flawed. That is why the Bible is controversial.
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11-27-2007, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RautaKansleri
No, what's so difficult to understand when someone says that they aren't against God? So, like, if I say I'm not against God, it means that I, in fact AM against God?!
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No, if you are not a Born Again True Christian™, you are against God, no matter what you claim.
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Strange logic you have. And I never said I'm Jesus' enemy, you must've misread that. But you have a point that all have sinned. But then again, if, when one isn't against Jesus, he is on his side, then how can you go to hell?!
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Because to sin is to be against Jesus. What's the matter, did a Swede burn down your school or something?
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That's my point. The Bible is controversial. This is because it was written by humans. Men's logic is flawed. That is why the Bible is controversial.
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No, the Bible is controversial because Satan turns people against God's message. That is all.
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
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11-27-2007, 03:33 PM
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No, if you are not a Born Again True Christian™, you are against God, no matter what you claim. Because to sin is to be against Jesus. What's the matter, did a Swede burn down your school or something?
No, the Bible is controversial because Satan turns people against God's message. That is all.
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Hm. So, how can I trust YOU aren't one of satan's lies? And, if everyone has sinned and you go to hell for that, doesn't that mean that we ALL(including you, because we all suffer from the sin of Adam and Eve) go to hell, no matter what? I wouldn't be talking about school at all if I were a member of an American cult. And by the way:Swedes are homersexuals.
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11-27-2007, 03:36 PM
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Hm. So, how can I trust YOU aren't one of satan's lies?
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Don't trust me, trust God's word. Praise!
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And, if everyone has sinned and you go to hell for that, doesn't that mean that we ALL(including you, because we all suffer from the sin of Adam and Eve) go to hell, no matter what?
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No, because to be Born Again in the Blood of Christ is to be washed clean of all sins.
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I wouldn't be talking about school at all if I were a member of an American cult.
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Who said anything about cults?
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And by the way:Swedes are homersexuals.
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Well, I'm glad that we've finally found some common ground, at least.
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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11-27-2007, 03:43 PM
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Don't trust me, trust God's word. Praise!
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Thank you. I will yet need to find the word of God. Time will show. And as I said before, if I won't during my life believe in God's word(assuming it's the Bible), God does not want me to. But I guess this debate is useless since it's about faith and those things can't be solved. Oh, please excuse me, I meant church. But, who knows, maybe I will one day be singing with you in His holy name in Heaven, I will wait for that day.
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11-28-2007, 04:39 AM
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But I shall wait, because If God wants me to trust the Bible, He will tell me to.
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Today is your lucky day, friend!
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
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God dwells everywhere. This is no contradiction.
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God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
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You are taking Judges 1:19 out of context. Judah lacked faith, and that's why God allowed him to be beaten.
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God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
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Who are you to judge God's actions? God's ways are not man's ways.
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God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
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Are you even reading these verses, or are you just copy-pasting from some atheist website?
God created everything, including evil, and none of the verses you posted say otherwise.
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And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him.
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How is that a contradiction? You are either with Him or against Him. I know where I stand.
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I will yet need to find the word of God
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Re: Question -
11-28-2007, 06:15 AM
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God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
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God can dwell everywhere He chooses. In light and darkness both.
He has dwelled among the children of Israel (Numbers 35:34)
He has dwelled in tents and tabernacles. (2 Samuel 7:5-6)
God is a living being, He moves around. He can dwell wherever He wishes.
There is no contradiction, only a heretic trap, and you, like the heretic you are:
Walked straight into it.
It appears to be a contradiction to the unsaved who know not the Bible, and that's why you fell for it.
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God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
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It was Judah who couldn't drive them out.
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God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
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Unjust and partial according to who'm? YOU.
And since when could any man judge God? Never could, never will.
There is no contradiction, God decides what's right and wrong, what's fair and not.
But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Romans 3:5-6
And so you've been trapped again, heretic:
By commiting the sin of attempting to judge God Himself.
Evil men understand not judgment:
But they that seek the LORD understand all things.
Proverbs 28:5
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.
Isaiah 33:22
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God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
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1 Corinthians 14:33 says God is not the author of CONFUSION, not evil.
And that means that God does not fool and confuse His followers, for the verse speaks about prophecy, which you would have seen if you bothered to read the previous verses.
Deuteronomy 32:4 says that God is the rock, His works are perfect, all His ways are judgement, that He is a God of truth and without iniquity, that He is just and right.
Where does it say that He doesn't create evil?
YOU interpret that into the verse because YOU don't think a perfect and just God would create evil.
Once again you are judging God after your own opinions of what's perfect and just.
It's not for you to decide, but for God.
James 1:13-14 says, literally:
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
For God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Where does it say God doesn't create evil? IT DOESN'T.
It says that when you're tempted (to sin), don't blame God, blame yourself for you only have your own sinful lust to blame.
God created the evil you may go whoring after instead of following Him.
But He isn't responsible for the fact that you're tempted to go whoring after it instead of following Him.
That's because Eve and Adam ate the forbidden fruit, even though God had commanded them NOT TO.
So.. No contradiction here either.
So far - Zero contradictions.
Now, listen up fool.
We know that there are no contradictions in the heretic traps whatsoever, after all, we posted them.
And we posted them, so God may be glorified and you God-mockers put to shame, by exposing your foolishness and your lack of knowledge in the Word of God. That everyone could see you know nothing of the Bible, nor of God, that you don't reject Him out of so-called "reason" but reject Him out of your own foolish pride.
In short: You've been offically trapped, you stupid heretic.
Repent of your wickedness and pride, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior!
TURN OR BURN!
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11-28-2007, 08:21 PM
Sorry, I didn't find them from any atheist website. I found them on YOUR website.
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11-28-2007, 09:44 PM
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Sorry, I didn't find them from any atheist website. I found them on YOUR website.
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The point of that thread you took those verses from is to unmask false Christians. A false Christian will read those verses and see contradiction, a TRUE Christian doesn't. You sill have yet shown us a contradiction in The Bible.
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11-29-2007, 09:43 AM
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The point of that thread you took those verses from is to unmask false Christians. A false Christian will read those verses and see contradiction, a TRUE Christian doesn't. You sill have yet shown us a contradiction in The Bible.
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Ah, but when you say it like that, I do not believe it. To me they are only contradictions, you, in your faith have found better use for them. Perhaps, I, too, will someday think that way as well. But as said, for that to happen, I will yet need to find my faith. I know not how long it will take, or if it's even going to happen, but I think I'll have to find it myself. Judging from my experience here, a human can't convince me to trust the bible. Unfortunately. This site has given me a lot to think about, however, and I thank you for that.
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11-29-2007, 01:35 PM
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Ah, but when you say it like that, I do not believe it. To me they are only contradictions, you, in your faith have found better use for them. Perhaps, I, too, will someday think that way as well. But as said, for that to happen, I will yet need to find my faith. I know not how long it will take, or if it's even going to happen, but I think I'll have to find it myself. Judging from my experience here, a human can't convince me to trust the bible. Unfortunately. This site has given me a lot to think about, however, and I thank you for that.
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You know, I'm going to be blunt with you here, because I really think that you are headed in the wrong direction. I usually like to hold back on the unsaved, as I am naturally a reserved and gentle man, but in your case, I just have to say something...
You sound pretty darned arrogant, heathen. You seem to be wallowing in your own inflated opinions like some whiney emo fag. You are making Jesus sick.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Stop your mental masturbation and ACCEPT CHRIST NOW, you shallow little puke! Jesus temporarily DIED for you, did you know that?! And now all you can do is moan and whine "Oh....gee....I dunno....who am I?....Should I accept Christ or not?...." like some disgusting limp-wristed egghead. Is THAT the thanks He gets?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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11-29-2007, 02:05 PM
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You know, I'm going to be blunt with you here, because I really think that you are headed in the wrong direction. I usually like to hold back on the unsaved, as I am naturally a reserved and gentle man, but in your case, I just have to say something...
You sound pretty darned arrogant, heathen. You seem to be wallowing in your own inflated opinions like some whiney emo fag. You are making Jesus sick.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Stop your mental masturbation and ACCEPT CHRIST NOW, you shallow little puke! Jesus temporarily DIED for you, did you know that?! And now all you can do is moan and whine "Oh....gee....I dunno....who am I?....Should I accept Christ or not?...." like some disgusting limp-wristed egghead. Is THAT the thanks He gets?
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Yeah, unfortunately that is the thanks he gets. And may I burn in hell for that, I will accept my punishment if I recieve one. I can't help myself, all I can do is believe that I'll find the strength to believe.
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11-29-2007, 04:41 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately that is the thanks he gets. And may I burn in hell for that, I will accept my punishment if I recieve one. I can't help myself, all I can do is believe that I'll find the strength to believe.
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Friend, if you REALLY don't want to go to hell, here's what I suggest.
FAKE it until it becomes true.
Live the lie.
Someday, if you act well enough, it will all be true to you.
Even if you don't believe it, live your life as though it were true. Eventually, your heart will soften, and you will understand, and BELIEVE.
Until then.
While you will still be going to hell, just act as though you believe.
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11-29-2007, 06:31 PM
I love Pastor Ezekial. He's much cooler than Brother Temperance.
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I love Pastor Ezekial. He's much cooler than Brother Temperance.
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Look, I've warned you about this before. I am not a sodomite. I am not interested in playing "hide the pickle" with you and your fag boyfriends. I have a beautiful blonde-haired, blue eyed True Christian fiance who is on her way to distribute Chick tracts in Cancum, Mexico to the greasy foreigners down there (and work on her tan). I have no need for a queer to secretly sexually service me while she's gone.
Stop throwing yourself at me. I am praying for Jesus to give you the common decency to decide to quit the disgusting hobby of sodomy. Don't condemn yourself to hell, you vile pervert.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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