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Default Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 03-18-2011, 11:03 PM

Dear Friends,

Unfortunately, many historical figures with whom we True Christians™ differ pass on before we can engage them in constructive dialogue. One such person is Martin Luther King, Junior. Thankfully, based on direct quotes from Dr. King's body of work, we have been able to reconstruct how such an exchange would go.

Therefore, I present to you:

EQUAL TIME:



BAB: "Dr. King, thank you for joining me for this conversation."

MLK: "Lawz, ol' Martin ain't no doctor -- I'ze jus' a kindly ol' Tom who do go on!" Strength to Love, introduction, p. ii.

BAB: "But you do realize that everyone calls you Doctor King? Is that just a fraud on your part?"

MLK: "I supposition dat about the one time I stepped in a dawg's turd -- welladay, ebber since den all dem pickaninnies be callin' me Dawg-Turd Martin and dont it stick!" Strength to Love, introduction, p. ii-iii.

BAB: "Martin, I think the state of black leadership in the nation today is deplorable. The demand for equal opportunity has given way to a culture of complaint and victimization. "President Obama was basically given the job as a pity vote. Any defense of the movement you kickstarted?"

MLK: "Las' thing Negros find nessitacious iz a buncha high yallers think they better'n white folk. Al-a-us gotta hole on for white folk let'n us boat when dey good an' ready." The Trumpet of Conscience, p. 67.

BAB: "Really? Are...black people interested in boating?"

MLK: "Shucks, I dun meant VOTE... Lawdy, ol' Martin can't rightly think straight widda pie whiftin' in the breeze from yonder winda!" The Trumpet of Conscience, p. 68.

BAB: "Tell me, since we seem to be surprisingly on the same page, is there any respect in which you're proud of what the civil rights movement has accomplished since your death?"

MLK: "[N]o." Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech.

BAB: "Do you see any reason at all that the country shouldn't just let the States go back to Jim Crow laws as they see fit?"

MLK: "[N]o." Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech.

BAB: "Thank you Martin, this has been a real eye-opening conversation. Any last words?"

MLK: "When Tater says he'z a gwine to take dat watermelon, I done tol' him mebbe Jesus be peepin' from Hev'm, an' he better don't." Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?, p. 5.

BAB: "Amen!"

Yours in Him,
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 04-05-2011, 02:42 AM

43 years ago some one shot him... RIP you rascally Uncle Tom!
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 04-05-2011, 01:44 PM

I celebrate his birthday every year by firing up my Weber grill and roasting a watermelon.


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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-16-2012, 07:55 PM

The world is so full of a number of things,
I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings.
--Robert Louis Stevenson, 1885

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
--Martin Luther King, August 28, 1963

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?
--Rodney King, May 1, 1992

Happy Martin Luther King Day. Still a long way to go.
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-16-2012, 08:18 PM

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The world is so full of a number of things,
I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings.
--Robert Louis Stevenson, 1885

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
--Martin Luther King, August 28, 1963

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?
--Rodney King, May 1, 1992

Happy Martin Luther King Day. Still a long way to go.
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
--Martin Luther King, August 28, 1963


Happy Martin Luther King Day. Still a long way to go.
Too bad they are getting by on the influence of their last name.


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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-16-2012, 08:25 PM

I think King must be crying in the hereafter that his movement was hijacked by a socialist racist like Obama.



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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-17-2012, 12:52 AM

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I think King must be crying in the hereafter that his movement was hijacked by a socialist racist like Obama.
I believe Martin Luther King would approve of what Barack Obama is trying to do, although he might wish he would stand up more against Republican obstructionism.

I thought there would be no crying in Heaven. All us good people are supposed to be there thinking only of our own joy. Any crying that goes on in Hell is for a different reason.
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What has any of this got to do with Jesus?
Did I say I was talking about Jesus? Liberal Christians would say it has everything to do with Jesus, as Martin Luther King was doing the work of Jesus. I don't care myself. I know something about the life of MLK, whom I deeply admire, except for his religion, which I disagree with. Accounts of the life of Jesus are from long ago and deeply conflicted, and I disagree with his religion too.

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Lighten up. There's a larger world out there beyond the 900 pages and 66 books.
Yes, there's a vast lake of fire, in which you will spend eternity.

What does this have to do with Martin Luther King, Jr.?


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You can't prove that. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

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What does this have to do with Martin Luther King, Jr.?
If I had provided the context I would have incurred another infraction for being a vain repeater. As it is the above statement was worth 100 points (never expiring) as an infraction for sassing a true christian. Is there a corresponding infraction for sassing a true atheist?

There is a connection in that I believe Martin Luther King would approve my tenacity in fighting back (passively).
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As it is the above statement was worth 100 points (never expiring) as an infraction for sassing a true christian. Is there a corresponding infraction for sassing a true atheist?
No. You've been told you are not welcome here, yet you insist on polluting this forum with your inane yammering and incessant whining.

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I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would think you're a whiny little bitch, and tell you to stop calling him by his father's name.


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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-17-2012, 09:24 AM

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I believe Martin Luther King would approve of what Barack Obama is trying to do, although he might wish he would stand up more against Republican obstructionism.

I thought there would be no crying in Heaven. All us good people are supposed to be there thinking only of our own joy. Any crying that goes on in Hell is for a different reason.
Despite the despicable Democrats trying to rewrite history, Martin Luther King was a lifelong Republican. It was the Democrat Jim Crow laws he was fighting – and the KKK, yes – they were Democrats. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican) passed the 1957 civil rights laws and sent federal troops to desegregate the Arkansas public schools.

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.

"Brainless" is an appropriate nom de plume for your uninformed drivel. Republicans are saving this country from the socialism of Obama.


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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-18-2012, 07:45 AM

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Despite the despicable Democrats trying to rewrite history, Martin Luther King was a lifelong Republican. It was the Democrat Jim Crow laws he was fighting – and the KKK, yes – they were Democrats. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican) passed the 1957 civil rights laws and sent federal troops to desegregate the Arkansas public schools.
All true. After the Civil War, the black people became Republicans like their hero Abraham Lincoln. The white people stuck with the racist Democratic party and successfully kept the blacks from voting. When the crippled Democrat FDR became president he did a lot for the South and most blacks became Democrats along with most whites, but they still didn't vote.

The Democrats were deeply divided between the liberals, mostly in the North and the conservatives mostly in the South. Martin Luther King, Jr. was just the kind of man to buck the trend, for after all, the Democratic party of FDR was also the party of Strom Thurmond. There were both liberals and conservatives in the Republican party as well. I give president Eisenhower full credit not only for enforcing integration but for having appointed the Republican Earl Warren to the Supreme Court.

BTW, it seems there is a lot of support for Jim Crow and the Ku Klux Klan here and not much support for MLK. In fact, for a site that denies racism, it seems almost a parody on unackowledged racist ideology.

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In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.
I haven't checked these figures myself, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you are correct.

However, it was Democratic President Lyndon Johnson who pushed the Civil Rights bill of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 through congress, with proportionately more votes from Republicans than Democrats. When Johnson signed the Voting Rights act, he said "We have lost the South for a generation." He was a consummate politician and a proud man, but he was proud to have done the right thing. So far, with Richard Nixon pursuing the Southern Strategy, it has been two generations since the white racist Democrats in the South became white racist Republicans.

I don't know whether MLK would still be a Republican if he were alive today. The Republicans have moved so far right that they could benefit from his influence. However, I think he would be a Democrat. Democrat or Republican, I'm sure he would have endorsed Obama, as did his fellow Republican Colin Powell.


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"Brainless" is an appropriate nom de plume for your uninformed drivel. Republicans are saving this country from the socialism of Obama.
That is certainly the consensus of the Landover Baptist Church Forum. Why else would they have given me that name? Most of what I say is well informed, as any objective observer can tell. Perhaps the characters on this board or so accustomed to being told what to think that most will go with the illusion the board managers seek to create rather than read what I have to say. What's wrong with socialism anyway? I'm for socialized schools, highways, and fire departments as well as Health care available to all.

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How ironic that your avatar and nom de plume are taken from a famous Democrat!
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-19-2012, 08:39 AM

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However, it was Democratic President Lyndon Johnson who pushed the Civil Rights bill of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 through congress, with proportionately more votes from Republicans than Democrats. When Johnson signed the Voting Rights act, he said "We have lost the South for a generation." He was a consummate politician and a proud man, but he was proud to have done the right thing. So far, with Richard Nixon pursuing the Southern Strategy, it has been two generations since the white racist Democrats in the South became white racist Republicans.

I don't know whether MLK would still be a Republican if he were alive today. The Republicans have moved so far right that they could benefit from his influence. However, I think he would be a Democrat. Democrat or Republican, I'm sure he would have endorsed Obama, as did his fellow Republican Colin Powell.
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Once again, it's a DEMONcrat lie. Most racist southern Democrats did not become Republicans, they became what were known as "Dixiecrats". Many of the more infamous - Richard Russell, Mendell Rivers, Clinton's mentor William Fulbright, Robert Byrd, Fritz Hollings and Al Gore Sr. remained Democrats till their dying day.

It was not until the shifting demographics of Republicans fleeing the North to the South to escape the Big Government high tax (and spend) socialist policies of the Democrats that Republicans made gains in the South. While we're on the subject we can't ignore the Big Unions and their support of the Democrats. Racist unions were bent on keeping their membership white and blocked integration, membership and denied jobs to blacks for decades.

LBJ was a racist Democrat who was Senate Majority leader when Republican Eisenhower sponsored the Civil Rights Bill and the Voting Rights Bill. LBJ fought tooth and nail against them. LBJ's only contribution was to buy back the black vote for the Democratic Party by passing his socialist "Great Society" programs that segregated blacks into high rise slums all over the country.

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What's wrong with socialism anyway? I'm for socialized schools, highways, and fire departments as well as Health care available to all.
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Like all LIEberals, you never bother to read – either to check your facts or the Bible (KJV1611). Your beloved socialism is going bankrupt all over the world, and contributed to the deaths of 170 million people in the 20th Century. Go ahead, continue to listen to the vacuous speeches of Obama.


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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-20-2012, 02:35 AM

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I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would think you're a whiny little bitch, and tell you to stop calling him by his father's name.
I'm no Martin Luther King, Jr., but I'm sure he would regard me as part of the solution and you as part of the problem.
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-22-2012, 05:58 AM

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Once again, it's a DEMONcrat lie. Most racist southern Democrats did not become Republicans, they became what were known as "Dixiecrats". Many of the more infamous - Richard Russell, Mendell Rivers, Clinton's mentor William Fulbright, Robert Byrd, Fritz Hollings and Al Gore Sr. remained Democrats till their dying day.
The transition from Democrat to Republican was gradual. Southern liberal Democrats remained Democratic and, with the help of newly enfranchised black voters, elected such leaders as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Neither was racist but I have a strong premonition that you will reflexively label them as such. Liberal Southerners never had a reason to leave the Democratic party.

Some of the Southern racist Democrats in congress, such as Richard Russell, and James Eastland remained Democrats. The voters routinely returned them to office as long as they kept saying what they wanted to hear. Strom Thurmond became a Republican in 1964. Jesse Helms and Trent Lott also became Republicans. In the election of 1968 all of the Southern states except Texas went to Richard Nixon or George Wallace. In Nixon's landslide victory of 1972, Nixon got 72% of the vote in the South compared to 61% nationwide. Ronald Reagan cemented Southern conservative support partly because of race but also because of other issues that appealed to the religious right--which this forum either represents or misrepresents.

William Fulbright was a racist who also held enlightened views about international policy, and it was in this sense that he was a mentor of Clinton. Robert Byrd had a mixed record on racism. He joined the Klan in the 1940s then left it and denounced his racism. Still he fillibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights act and supported the Vietnam War, but he later reversed himself. It was his denunciation of his own earlier racist views in 1982 that stayed with him to the end of his career.

I met Albert Gore Sr. at a political event at the University of Illinois in 1964. He told me he was for the Civil Rights Act "with modifications." He voted against the Civil Rights Act because he feared that Southern schools would lose federal funding when confronted with the demand to integrate. He later expressed regret for his vote. He did vote for the Voting Rights Act in 1965. In 1956, he, along with Tennesee's other senator Estes Kefauver and Lyndon Johnson of Texas refused to sign the Southern Manifesto, which opposed integration.

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It was not until the shifting demographics of Republicans fleeing the North to the South to escape the Big Government high tax (and spend) socialist policies of the Democrats that Republicans made gains in the South. While we're on the subject we can't ignore the Big Unions and their support of the Democrats. Racist unions were bent on keeping their membership white and blocked integration, membership and denied jobs to blacks for decades.
I don't know how much of Southern political and racial attitues, if any, are driven by the migration from the North. I know that the white Republican South was well established with the election of Ronald Reagan. Labor unions brought us fair wages, weekends, and time and a half for overtime, which we all benefit from whether we are in unions or not. The suppression of unions leads to a race to the bottom with U.S. workers competing with slave wages in China and India, etc. Unions have been on both sides of the racial divide.

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LBJ was a racist Democrat who was Senate Majority leader when Republican Eisenhower sponsored the Civil Rights Bill and the Voting Rights Bill. LBJ fought tooth and nail against them. LBJ's only contribution was to buy back the black vote for the Democratic Party by passing his socialist "Great Society" programs that segregated blacks into high rise slums all over the country.
In 1957 Lyndon Johnson steered a tense middle course between the Southern segregationists and Northern civil rights advocates. Not his proudest moment compared to his accomplishments in 1964 and 1965. The Great Society foundered because there was not enough money to fund it and the Vietnam War at the same time.

Conservatives, who are these days overwhelmingly aligned with the Republican party, want to make out that all Democrats are racist and all Republicans are free of racism. The opposite is closer to the truth. One way conservatives link Democrats to racism is by failing to take account of how people change over time, partly due to the influence of MLK himself.

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Like all LIEberals, you never bother to read – either to check your facts or the Bible (KJV1611). Your beloved socialism is going bankrupt all over the world, and contributed to the deaths of 170 million people in the 20th Century. Go ahead, continue to listen to the vacuous speeches of Obama.
I don't believe the Bible has much to say about Socialism. It was deregulation that led to economic collapse in America, which in turn affected the rest of the world. It will take increased regulation, which Wall Street fights tooth and nail, to bring it under control.I assume the 170 million death toll you cite refers to the forceful installation of the communist brand of socialism in the Soviet Union and China, not to the democratic socialism of European countries. In America 45,000 people die each year because of lack of health insurance.

Socialism is not just a dirty word; it is an option we need to consider. There are some things that private enterprise does better than government and some things government does better than private enterprise. Whether or not the moderate policies of Obama, who disappoints many true progressives, can be called socialism is doubtful.
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Default Re: Equal Time: BAB v. Martin Luther King, Jr. - 01-23-2012, 02:52 AM

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Pay no attention to this man! He is a member of a lesser race who dares to accuse his betters here at the church of racism. He is not an American. He is a citizen of an evil foreign power on our doorstep beyond the reach of God's love. God hates him because he is a mental cripple. He is a racist, a hatemonger, and a fool. Trust us! Would we lie to you?
This is not an actual quote, but it is the message the board managers are trying to convey with their various invasions of my control panel. When your forum is lying to you about the messenger, intelligent readers, and I believe there are some on this forum, can only form their conclusions from the message itself.

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BAB: "Dr. King, thank you for joining me for this conversation."

MLK: "Lawz, ol' Martin ain't no doctor -- I'ze jus' a kindly ol' Tom who do go on!" Strength to Love, introduction, p. ii.
When I looked for a place to post my Martin Luther King Day message, this was the only board in which the Reverend was mentioned by name. I took the discussion in a different direction. Responses to my post assumed that MLK was a great man and focused on ways in which I, or my liberal friends, were assumed to fall short. But the original message, as represented above, was that Martin Luther King was a fool. Let me remind you, Born Again Bob, that they say there is no place for racism at Landover. But you can take comfort in the fact that there is plenty of room for stupidity.

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