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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-09-2012, 12:03 PM

How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign, and how long did he reign?

2 Kings 24:8: Jehoiachin [was] eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name [was] Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2 Chron. 36:9: Jehoiachin [was] eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD.


The obvious answer is that he ascended to the throne twice (and messed it up both times).


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-09-2012, 01:42 PM

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How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign, and how long did he reign?

2 Kings 24:8: Jehoiachin [was] eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name [was] Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2 Chron. 36:9: Jehoiachin [was] eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD.


The obvious answer is that he ascended to the throne twice (and messed it up both times).
Well Bill Clinton did it, it's hardly unusual. Hopefully Mitt will save us from Obama following in his footsteps.

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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-10-2012, 02:34 AM

Oh these so-called "contradictions" just make my head spin!! Such silliness!

Can't we just do as God commands and know in our hearts that the Bible is the divine inspired inerrant Word?

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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-10-2012, 08:40 PM

Did Jesus baptize anyone?

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples.

So what's up? Does the Bible say in one place that Jesus baptized, but in another that he didn't?


No, because obviously in the first verse, it doesn't say Jesus baptized people. It just says he baptized. That could mean anything.
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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-11-2012, 04:27 PM

From whom did David buy the threshing floor, and how much did he pay?

2 Samuel 24:18-25: And Gad came that day to David, and said unto him, Go up, rear an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite. And David, according to the saying of Gad, went up as the LORD commanded. And Araunah looked, and saw the king and his servants coming on toward him: and Araunah went out, and bowed himself before the king on his face upon the ground. And Araunah said, Wherefore is my lord the king come to his servant? And David said, To buy the threshingfloor of thee, to build an altar unto the LORD, that the plague may be stayed from the people. And Araunah said unto David, Let my lord the king take and offer up what [seemeth] good unto him: behold, [here be] oxen for burnt sacrifice, and threshing instruments and [other] instruments of the oxen for wood. All these [things] did Araunah, [as] a king, give unto the king. And Araunah said unto the king, The LORD thy God accept thee. And the king said unto Araunah, Nay; but I will surely buy [it] of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing. So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver. And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. So the LORD was intreated for the land, and the plague was stayed from Israel.

1 Chron. 21:18-27: Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD. And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat. And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with [his] face to the ground. Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of [this] threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people. And Ornan said unto David, Take [it] to thee, and let my lord the king do [that which is] good in his eyes: lo, I give [thee] the oxen [also] for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all. And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take [that] which [is] thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost. So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight. And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering. And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.


The Jebusite went by two names, just as people variously address me as Isaac and Pastor Peters. The two amounts were for different parts of the transaction, namely, the threshing floor and the oxen versus the real estate that the threshing floor occupied.


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-11-2012, 05:20 PM

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A lot of stupid atheists don't even understand what the Bible means when it gives three different accounts of JESUS' last words before dying on the cross.

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Matthew 27:46

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. - Luke 23:46

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
- John 19:30

So which were the actual, last words of JESUS?

They all were, duh!

If JESUS is GOD and GOD can be everywhere at once, why can't He say three things at once?
Why not? God can speak once and yet be heard twice:
Psalm 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
So why shouldn't Jesus be heard thrice? That power belongeth unto God.


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-11-2012, 05:22 PM

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Did Jesus baptize anyone?

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples.

So what's up? Does the Bible say in one place that Jesus baptized, but in another that he didn't?


No, because obviously in the first verse, it doesn't say Jesus baptized people. It just says he baptized. That could mean anything.
I would say that John 4:2 simply clarifies John 3:22.


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I would say that John 4:2 simply clarifies John 3:22.
I am curious if anyone has heard the Two Jesus hypothesis about the baptism? That Christ used His divine powers to temporally split Himself into the perfect Jesus who doesn't need baptism and the human, fallible Jesus who need to be baptist and accept Christ as His Savior.

It certianly would clear a lot of John up.



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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-11-2012, 07:23 PM

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I am curious if anyone has heard the Two Jesus hypothesis about the baptism? That Christ used His divine powers to temporally split Himself into the perfect Jesus who doesn't need baptism and the human, fallible Jesus who need to be baptist and accept Christ as His Savior.

It certianly would clear a lot of John up.
That sounds rather blasphemous. Jesus is a part of the triune Godhead, and if Jesus could "split himself into two", the Trinity would become a Quadrinity, which is plain silly.


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That sounds rather blasphemous. Jesus is a part of the triune Godhead, and if Jesus could "split himself into two", the Trinity would become a Quadrinity, which is plain silly.
Indeed that would be insane. I believe it was Augustine of Hippo who argued that six was a perfect number as it is a multiple of 3 as in the Trinity.

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When reflecting upon the nature of three in God I see it as three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached to do otherwise is to deny the perfect number six in which such number of days did God create the heavens and the earth.


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-12-2012, 03:41 AM

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Did Jesus baptize anyone?

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples.

So what's up? Does the Bible say in one place that Jesus baptized, but in another that he didn't?


No, because obviously in the first verse, it doesn't say Jesus baptized people. It just says he baptized. That could mean anything.
I thought this was fairly obvious, Brother.

When it is said that Solomon built the First Temple, nobody thinks that great king was out there lugging stones about. He ORDERED it to be done.

In the same way, Jesus directed His disciples to baptize. Thus, Jesus was responsible for the baptisms.


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I thought this was fairly obvious, Brother.

When it is said that Solomon built the First Temple, nobody thinks that great king was out there lugging stones about. He ORDERED it to be done.

In the same way, Jesus directed His disciples to baptize. Thus, Jesus was responsible for the baptisms.
Obviously. But that leads to something that has always puzzled me:

1) The disciples did the baptizing for Jesus. But were the disciples themselves baptized?

2) It seems logical that they were. So who had baptized them?

3) Logically they had been baptized by Jesus (as per John 3:22). It wouldn't make much sense for Jesus' disciples to have been baptized by, say, John the Baptist. But had Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit?

4) Of course He had. After all Jesus had come to "baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire" (Matthew 3:11). So the disciples had all received the Holy Spirit in baptism.

But in that case: What makes the Pentecost so special? (I don't know if it could be a contradiction as such, I'm not a Hell-bound Pennycostal )


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Should we love or hate our brothers?

Luke 14:26: If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

1 John 4:20-21: If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.


The passage from 1 John explicitly refers to someone who hates and does not love his brother. It's possible to love and hate someone at the same time; even heathen poets like Catullus and writers of trashy sodomite fiction like John Knowles admit as such. There is thus no contradiction.


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 05-14-2012, 05:05 PM

This one is popular with the Jesus-deniers: What was the name of Jesus' grandfather on the paternal side?

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Of course, there's no contradiction here. Jacob end Heli were brothers. Heli died without children, so Jacob entered a levirate marriage (Deuteronomy 25:5-6) with the widow. Thus Heli became the legal father, while Jacob was the biological father.

So why don't Heli and Jacob have the same father? Because they were only half-brothers. When Matthan (Joseph's grandfather according to Matthew) died, his widow married Matthat (Joseph's grandfather according to Luke), so the two genealogies simply follow Matthan's and Matthat's lineage respectively.


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Courtesy of Serenity Millennium: ARE WE JESUS' SERVANTS OR NOT?

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. - John 15:15

If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. - John 12:26

Does JESUS consider only His 12 disciples His friends? Are the rest of us merely servants?

The explanation is very simple: The word "friend" and "servant" are interchangeable as far as JESUS is concerned.



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This one is popular with the Jesus-deniers: What was the name of Jesus' grandfather on the paternal side?
Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Of course, there's no contradiction here. Jacob end Heli were brothers. Heli died without children, so Jacob entered a levirate marriage (Deuteronomy 25:5-6) with the widow. Thus Heli became the legal father, while Jacob was the biological father.

So why don't Heli and Jacob have the same father? Because they were only half-brothers. When Matthan (Joseph's grandfather according to Matthew) died, his widow married Matthat (Joseph's grandfather according to Luke), so the two genealogies simply follow Matthan's and Matthat's lineage respectively.
Thanks for the information Pastor, it makes a lot of sense. I'm amazed though how often men died and their brothers had to marry their wives though. Because none none of the names in the genealogies after the time of David line up, except for Shealtiel and Zerubbabel.

But Pastor, I'm still a tiny bit confused as to why there is a different number of generations in the two lists.
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Thanks for the information Pastor, it makes a lot of sense.
I can't really take credit for that. This explanation goes back to Africanus in the 2nd century who was quoted by Eusebius.
5. But in order that what I have said may be made clear I shall explain the interchange of the generations. If we reckon the generations from David through Solomon, the third from the end is found to be Matthan, who begat Jacob the father of Joseph. But if, with Luke, we reckon them from Nathan the son of David, in like manner the third from the end is Melchi, whose son Eli was the father of Joseph. For Joseph was the son of Eli, the son of Melchi.

6. Joseph therefore being the object proposed to us, it must be shown how it is that each is recorded to be his father, both Jacob, who derived his descent from Solomon, and Eli, who derived his from Nathan; first how it is that these two, Jacob and Eli, were brothers, and then how it is that their fathers, Matthan and Melchi, although of different families, are declared to be grandfathers of Joseph.

7. Matthan and Melchi having married in succession the same woman, begat children who were uterine brothers, for the law did not prohibit a widow, whether such by divorce or by the death of her husband, from marrying another.
You'll notice that Africanus and Eusebius refer to Joseph's grandfather as Melchi, whereas according to the KJV1611 Melchi was Joseph's great-great-grandfather (Luke 3:23-24), but that's not a contradiction as such - it simply shows that the King James Authorized Version 1611 is superior to the Bibles that Africanus and Eusebius had.

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I'm amazed though how often men died and their brothers had to marry their wives though. Because none none of the names in the genealogies after the time of David line up, except for Shealtiel and Zerubbabel.

But Pastor, I'm still a tiny bit confused as to why there is a different number of generations in the two lists.
It isn't as if they all had Levirate marriages. After Joseph's two paternal grandfathers the two genealogies are totally independent of each other. Then they converge for a while with Salathiel and his son Zorobabel, who - as you rightly point out - appear in both genealogies. Then they split again for a while until they finally converge with David.

Many people miss the importance of this: Salathiel and Zorobabel along with the high priest Jeshua were instrumental in bringing God's people back from the captivity in Babylon to the Holy Land. We meet these three heroes in many of the books of the Bible - here is one example:
Ezra 3:8 Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD.
You can see how this Jeshua prefigures Our Savior, who will in time lead His people into the New Jerusalem. All this goes to show that when God wrote the KJV1611 He left nothing to coincidence.


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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 06-06-2012, 11:53 AM

During the Crucifixion, did both thieves mock Our Lord, or just one?

Matt. 27:41-44: Likewise also the chief priests mocking [him], with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke 23:39-43: And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Both of them initially mocked Him, but one repented, and Christianity places great emphasis on forgiveness for those who repent, so there is no contradiction.


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During the Crucifixion, did both thieves mock Our Lord, or just one?

Matt. 27:41-44: Likewise also the chief priests mocking [him], with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke 23:39-43: And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Both of them initially mocked Him, but one repented, and Christianity places great emphasis on forgiveness for those who repent, so there is no contradiction.
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Debating them is a waste of time because they are stupid. They are so stupid that I can’t even think of a word to describe how stupid they really are.
They do not realize that their beliefs are entirely subjective and are essentially no different, in any way, than the beliefs of Ancient Greeks, or of the Aztecs, or the Mayans. Your religions are just modern versions of older ones. In time they will be GONE just like Zeus, Thor, Poseidon, Odin. Your beliefs are no fu*king different.
The evidence is against them and they have none to support their claims, but they still try to argue as if their beliefs are factual.
Just because your beliefs can’t be disproved means absolutely nothing. I can’t prove there isn’t an invisible dancing fairy behind me right now. Does that mean that there is an invisible dancing fairy behind me? I don’t even HAVE to disprove your fairy tales. The mere fact that you have zero evidence makes them negligible to me. Just think, would you take seriously the argument of a boy who tells you that there is a giant piffleing singing evil invisible blob on the moon, but gives you no proof, or even the slightest bit of evidence? What if he then told you to disprove it? Would you even bother? Think about it. THAT’s HOW I FEEL… ABOUT YOU!
The absence of a rational explanation isn’t evidence of an irrational explanation.
They believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and that every species came into existence at the same time.
Crazy Christians believe that people who suffer in our modern world (for example, the Jews during the Holocaust) are being punished for sins they committed in a previous life.
They nit pick what parts of the bible to believe. That’s why there are Gay Christians. They only believe what they want, and they ignore all the horrible, disgusting and absurd shit.
They believe that the Earth was made before the Sun. Seriously. It says so right in the very first page of The Old Testament.
They actually believe that every thing in the bible literally happened. They believe that Jesus walked on water, and came back to life after having been dead for 3 days, that God killed everyone in a world wide flood and that he sent his own son to Earth to be tortured killed for our sins. He sent his own son to be killed. Re-read that. God set his own son up and had him wacked. Am I crazy? Am I the only person who thinks that may be a little bit extreme?
And finally, they believe that they are the smartest sentient beings in the entire universe. Why is that? Because they actually believe that they know for a fact, that God, an unknowable being for which there is no evidence, exists, and that they can SPEAK with him. If some being who we’d call God actually existed, it would be unfathomable. I’d hate to reduce such a collosal being to a bitter, child-like, Hitlerish Tyrant who interferes with measly human affairs, who picks sides and condemns his own children, whom he loves so much, to an eternity of suffering.
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Default Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained! - 06-08-2012, 02:00 AM

Dear Godmocking Whore;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and spreading your legs for anyone with a dollar to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.

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Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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