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Default The Septuagint is Rubbish - 11-02-2006, 10:25 PM

Brethren & Sistren

We have all read about Methuselah - the oldest man in the Bible.

Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Genesis 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, ....

Methuselah was the grandfather of Noah - and we all know that Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came (Genesis 7:6, in case you forgot).

Methuselah begets Lamech when he's 187
Lamech begets Noah when he's 182
Flood starts when Noah is 600.
187 + 182 + 600 = 969

All this proves that God leaves nothing to coincidence. Methuselah was 969 when God killed him along with all the other Jews.

But I happened to take a look at the Septuagint, i.e. the Greek text tradition. Some of the existing volumes are from the 4th century and you might ERRONEOUSLY assume these old tomes were "closer to the truth" than King James from the 17th century.

Well, they are not! The Septuagint gets the 969 and the 600 straight. But then something goes horribly wrong: (link)

Genesis 5:25 And Mathusala lived an hundred and sixty and seven years, and begot Lamech.
[...]
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred and eighty and eight years, and begot a son

"Mathusala" begets Lamech when he's 167
Lamech begets Noah when he's 188
Flood starts when Noah is 600.
187 + 182 + 600 = 955

So according to the Septuagint, Methuselah lived 14 years (969 - 955) after the Flood! I can't believe it's legal to publish such preposterous pap! We know that "the waters prevail[ed]; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:20) and yet the Septuagint has the temerity to state that "Mathusala" lived 14 more years with nary a worry about getting wet feet. Wow!

How long will they be allowed to smear their fetid lies upon the collective face of the unsuspecting public? Do they think we're stupid or something? For me, the "proof" that the Bible is God-inspired (of the Holy Spirit) and inerrant would be that no error would exist within its pages or in its various recensions (God is NOT impotent and unable to preserve his holy word).

I hope this makes it clear to everybody, why the Authorized KJV1611 is the only Bible that God ever wrote.
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Default Re: The Septuagint is Rubbish - 11-02-2006, 10:35 PM

It shows the sad state of sinners that they can not perceive the obvious hand of Satan like you have show here Brother Prune. Clearly King James was receiving the Word of God when he commissioned the KJV1611. These Greek homers who wrote this filthy Septuagint rag were doing it while bent over on all fours while being violated by Lucifer. It shows the sinful nature of our society that these tissue smeared with the devil's excrement is allowed to be publish at all in our society.



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Default Re: The Septuagint is Rubbish - 11-02-2006, 11:32 PM

Is this the same Septuagint that Fishsticks used to prattle on about?


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Default My replies. - 11-03-2006, 03:08 AM

Seeing as I cannot reply to threads normally, I shall reply to them here. First off,

"Brethren & Sistren

We have all read about Methuselah - the oldest man in the Bible.

Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Genesis 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, ....

Methuselah was the grandfather of Noah - and we all know that Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came (Genesis 7:6, in case you forgot).

Methuselah begets Lamech when he's 187
Lamech begets Noah when he's 182
Flood starts when Noah is 600.
187 + 182 + 600 = 969

All this proves that God leaves nothing to coincidence. Methuselah was 969 when God killed him along with all the other Jews.

But I happened to take a look at the Septuagint, i.e. the Greek text tradition. Some of the existing volumes are from the 4th century and you might ERRONEOUSLY assume these old tomes were "closer to the truth" than King James from the 17th century.

Well, they are not! The Septuagint gets the 969 and the 600 straight. But then something goes horribly wrong: (link)

Genesis 5:25 And Mathusala lived an hundred and sixty and seven years, and begot Lamech.
[...]
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred and eighty and eight years, and begot a son

"Mathusala" begets Lamech when he's 167
Lamech begets Noah when he's 188
Flood starts when Noah is 600.
187 + 182 + 600 = 955

So according to the Septuagint, Methuselah lived 14 years (969 - 955) after the Flood! I can't believe it's legal to publish such preposterous pap! We know that "the waters prevail[ed]; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:20) and yet the Septuagint has the temerity to state that "Mathusala" lived 14 more years with nary a worry about getting wet feet. Wow!

How long will they be allowed to smear their fetid lies upon the collective face of the unsuspecting public? Do they think we're stupid or something? For me, the "proof" that the Bible is God-inspired (of the Holy Spirit) and inerrant would be that no error would exist within its pages or in its various recensions (God is NOT impotent and unable to preserve his holy word).

I hope this makes it clear to everybody, why the Authorized KJV1611 is the only Bible that God ever wrote."

The math is off. You have to take into account that the years go backwards in BC. The higher the number, the further in the past the year is. That means he died before the flood, which is logically possible.
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Default Re: My replies. - 11-03-2006, 03:21 AM

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The math is off. You have to take into account that the years go backwards in BC. The higher the number, the further in the past the year is. That means he died before the flood, which is logically possible.
The.math.is.off.

Which math is wrong? This math..

Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Genesis 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, ....


or this math?


Genesis 5:25 And Mathusala lived an hundred and sixty and seven years, and begot Lamech.
[...]
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred and eighty and eight years, and begot a son


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Default Re: The Septuagint is Rubbish - 11-03-2006, 07:13 AM

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Is this the same Septuagint that Fishsticks used to prattle on about?
The very same. The oldest specimen is even called Codex Vaticanus.

In this case "oldest" doesn't mean "closest to God's original words", but "fiddled with by the Vatican for the longest time".
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The math is off. You have to take into account that the years go backwards in BC. The higher the number, the further in the past the year is. That means he died before the flood, which is logically possible.
You are backwards. In this instance, the years are not being counted down to Christ's birth (although counting down the years to Christ's birth is always a worthwhile activity), they are being counted forwards from Methuselah's birth. Therefore, Danish's point still stands, and you might as well still be standing on your head for all the sense you make.


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Default Re: The Septuagint is Rubbish - 10-02-2020, 12:41 PM

I don't know if anyone's tried to read Greek... it's a horrible language with funny letters. If we in the 21st century have difficulty with it, I am not surprised that the Greeks did all those years ago.

I suspect that the answer is quite simple: whatever is the Greek for

"Genesis 5:25 And Mathusala lived an hundred and sixty and seven years, and begot Lamech.

probably actually means

"And Mathusala lived for somewhere about an hundred and sixty and seven years, and begot Lamech."

It is not at all unreasonable that God's word was garbled by some primitive scribe with a chisel if that scribe were Greek.


On the other hand, those Holy Men, inspired of God, who wrote the dictated Word of God (KJV1611) spoke original American and therefore no mistakes were made.





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Same with the Masoerotic text... does the King James Bible from 1611 need to be retranslated? God forbid!

God used King James to translate the Bible word for word in English, period.
The modern translations all omitted the words "Easter" and "hell". They were not translated by Baptists or at least evangelical Protestants, but ecunemical sodomy endorsing Catholics, Mor(m)ons, JW's and orthodox Jews. And perhaps Atheists too


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Psalm 82:5-7 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
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Same with the Masoerotic text... does the King James Bible from 1611 need to be retranslated?
In that case they rewrote everything (taking a thousand years to do it) removing all the evidence for Jesus.

Even where the unique circumstances of His birth are spelled out they've taken away all the unique elements and reinterpreted the meanings of words to give an outcome in the next chapter supposedly in accordance with the prophecy!

It's as though they didn't know what their own theological traditions were. Fortunately we have Jesus to remind us, to explain His kinship and remind us of events long forgotten.
John 10:31-38 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
If Jesus was just making this stuff up or if He never existed in the first place to say anything, everything He did would be meaningless. That is the neutral position. Blasphemy however is not neutral. Instead of random words strung together a deliberate strategy is employed to contradict God, contradict the Prophets and therefore (it follows) to contradict the theological tradition. That would include making up a different tradition to circumvent what God intended.

Even if it took a thousand years.
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