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Default Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-19-2020, 09:45 AM

Hello, today i share with you something shocking that i found out recently.

I was going to my closer library in Rome, to buy some Christian books, when i found some people in front of the fantasy section, blaspheming God as if it was his fault if they didn't find the books they wanted. Disgusted, i replied them that it was thanks to Catholicism if Fantasy exist (becuase Tolkien was a devout Catholic, of course), but one them replied me that it was a man named William Morris that invented the genre.

Shocked, when i returned to my church, i searched the name of this british man, and i found out that he inspired J. R. R. Tolkien and his Anglican friend C. S. Lewis. And Morris indeed did inspire them, considering that apparently because one of the characters of his book is an evil wizard named Gandolf. So, i continued to search information about him and i found out that he was also an artist, an architect and a medievalist, but also (and unfortunately) an atheist and communist, closer friend with Karl Marx.


And this means that Tolkien books such as The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are inspired by Communism, despite having a writer being a conservative. How it is possible that, a full clear allegory of Christianity that seems inspired by the Bible, is based on a novel written by a follower of Marx? I really hope that Tolkien repented from praising (even indirectly) communism, because it means that God (or Eru Illuvatar in his case) will give him an hard time getting into "Valinor".
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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-19-2020, 01:44 PM

What about Thomas Malory [Le Morte d'Arthur], Jonathan Swift [Laputa, Balnibarbi, Luggnagg, Glubbdubdrib & the Houyhnhnms] or Lucian Samosata [A True Story] – were they not fantastic enough?
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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-19-2020, 04:27 PM

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What about Thomas Malory [Le Morte d'Arthur], Jonathan Swift [Laputa, Balnibarbi, Luggnagg, Glubbdubdrib & the Houyhnhnms] or Lucian Samosata [A True Story] – were they not fantastic enough?


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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-19-2020, 05:20 PM

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What about Thomas Malory [Le Morte d'Arthur], Jonathan Swift [Laputa, Balnibarbi, Luggnagg, Glubbdubdrib & the Houyhnhnms] or Lucian Samosata [A True Story] – were they not fantastic enough?
Well, they weren't counted as Fantasy, as far i know. It's like claiming that the Sumerian and Indian Myths are Sci-fi because they are studied by many ufologists.
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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-19-2020, 05:44 PM

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Well, they weren't counted as Fantasy, as far i know. It's like claiming that the Sumerian and Indian Myths are Sci-fi because they are studied by many ufologists.
Well. I'm sure that despicable hellbound atheist fools even count the Holy Bible as a fantasy book, as if talking asses and unicorns weren't real enough.
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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-20-2020, 02:36 AM

Well it just goes to show: once you've believed the first ridiculous thing the rest becomes much easier.

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atheist fools even count the Holy Bible as a fantasy book
Evidently that includes popes although the current four would disagree among themselves.
Isaiah 41:29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
It's worth considering the purpose of fantasy genres. Something like "Weaveworld" for example proposes a world of goblins and hags or whatever woven into a carpet as an intricate pattern which, in the direst of times, could become unwoven and we'd be overrun with hags and goblins or something. The plot is irrelevant; generally I'd say this was a type of fantasy. Now someone else may exclude this title from their definition, perhaps they're from a different age group or elements in the story are commonplace (because they live in a different culture) my point being, rather than characters or the worlds they inhabit, what the characters say or do is the salient feature of any story.

Some ideas which are difficult to express in, say, historical novels require a different setting. "Gulliver's Travels" would fall in this category – at least insofar the travels are concerned. What happens on Lagardo [the academy of projectors], Balnibarbi & Laputa [levitating island célèbre], even more so once the Houyhnhnms get going, is entirely fantastic. Swift's purpose however is more than just a ripping yarn.

Malory is more of an outlier. 15th century English was in a state of flux and he chose a more zingy French title but the story was accessible to a wide audience and helped to establish English as a literary language. The events are not historical but it's a stretch to call it mythology. Fantasy is one option – the point here being that genres don't have rigid boundaries.

Lucian also imagined fantastic locations where ideas could be expressed. Just because something is a frame narrative doesn't mean it's not fantasy and in this case the author's own comments place "A True Story" firmly in the fantasy corral. Atheistic? Communistic? Probably, depending on your definitions and more particularly how those ideas were seen at the time. Not all communism is Stalinism.

The Bible is neither. Its historical record preserves actual events enabling Christians to understand the need for Christ, what happened when His blood ran down onto the world He'd made and guarantees that when He returns the events described—since The Bible not only includes past history but future history as well—are certain to occur. Salvation depends on all these things, from the time of Eve to the final abomination.

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Bomb Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-24-2020, 07:30 AM

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Hello, today i share with you something shocking that i found out recently.

I was going to my closer library in Rome, to buy some Christian books, when i found some people in front of the fantasy section, blaspheming God as if it was his fault if they didn't find the books they wanted. Disgusted, i replied them that it was thanks to Catholicism if Fantasy exist (becuase Tolkien was a devout Catholic, of course), but one them replied me that it was a man named William Morris that invented the genre.

Shocked, when i returned to my church, i searched the name of this british man, and i found out that he inspired J. R. R. Tolkien and his Anglican friend C. S. Lewis. And Morris indeed did inspire them, considering that apparently because one of the characters of his book is an evil wizard named Gandolf. So, i continued to search information about him and i found out that he was also an artist, an architect and a medievalist, but also (and unfortunately) an atheist and communist, closer friend with Karl Marx.


And this means that Tolkien books such as The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are inspired by Communism, despite having a writer being a conservative. How it is possible that, a full clear allegory of Christianity that seems inspired by the Bible, is based on a novel written by a follower of Marx? I really hope that Tolkien repented from praising (even indirectly) communism, because it means that God (or Eru Illuvatar in his case) will give him an hard time getting into "Valinor".
They indeed are inspired by Communism, and so is Catholicism and anything else that goes against the Baptist Church. John the Baptist was called "John the Baptist", not "John the Catholic", "John the Pentecostal", "John the Presbyterian", "John the Methodist", "John the Charismatic", "John the Orthodox", "John the Lutheran" etc. So if you want to get to heaven you MUST be a Baptist.


Anyways, I think Tolkien, his Catholic faith and his "literature" fitted together perfectly. In my heathen youth I once have red "The Hobbit" BTW, but I forgot who the evil guy was. Perhaps a Christian.


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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-27-2020, 05:31 PM

I'll never understand why some people want to lose themselves in fantasy and role play. Get back to reality, freaks!


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Default Re: Fantasy genre: atheistic communist literature? - 06-28-2020, 12:25 PM

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John the Baptist was called "John the Baptist" [not] "John the Lutheran" etc.
Thank you for pointing that out. Reality is not something of interest to unthinking, unreasonable types

Isaiah 41:19-22 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it. Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.

Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Pentecostalists, Methodists, Charismatics, Orthodoxes and so on have no strong reasons to bring. Even according to doctrines opposed in their day, they had nothing convincing to offer
if they had had there would never have been a schism

Scripture is a very strong reason
having the gargantuan advantage of being very easy to read. Unless your "church" was Romish and forbade reading God's word in the languages He'd chosen that is to say for a millennium or so your parents and your grandparents and their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents and so on with no respite COULD have learned Greek (the message of Salvation) and Hebrew (God's Just Law endorsed by Jesus, but no-one would know that unless they'd learned the Greek would they?) and Aramaic (some records of God's actions are preserved in Aramaic) BANG! ………in that situation I'd opt for head-chopping-off since I wouldn't forego learning what He actually said and since nothing He's told us has been in Latin and since the alternative was burning alive


but now we can read His word in our own language, now we know their lies for what they are, the denial of Scripture is common between Romish catholicism, fantasy literature, atheism, Marxist dogma however slightly modified by Russian and East Asian communists, and on and on it goes like a carousel they can never jump off of
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