[Mistress Cookie]

I certainly don't mean to cast aspersions upon the character of a new mother, but doesn't the fact that the California woman who gave birth to 8 children all at once mean she continued to have carnal knowledge of her husband after the initial impregnation?

A True Christian™ woman KNOWS the moment she's conceived, and that she's carrying a new soldier for Christ. NOTHING would induce her to risk jarring or disrupting the little human inside her by pressuring her husband to continue to sleep with her...7 more times?

PS: The woman is saying she does not want to be identified. I think we know why.

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WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO OCTUPLETS IN SOCAL HOSPITAL

By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon

BELLFLOWER, Calif. – A woman gave birth Monday to eight babies, only the second time in history octuplets have survived more than a few hours, doctors said.

The mother gave birth to six boys and two girls weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces, and 3 pounds, 4 ounces, doctors at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said. The hospital had scheduled a Caesarean section for seven babies, but doctors were surprised when an eighth came out at 10:48 a.m.

"My eyes were wide," Dr. Karen Maples said, explaining her reaction to the last birth.

Doctors said the babies were born nine weeks premature but are in stable condition. Two newborns were placed on ventilators and a third needs oxygen.

Hospital officials would not release any information about the mother, including her name, condition or whether she used fertility drugs. They did, however, say she planned to breast feed all of them.

"She's a very strong woman, so she probably will be able to handle all eight babies," said Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neo-natologist who cared for the infants.

The mother checked into the hospital in her 23rd week of pregnancy and gave birth seven weeks later. All eight babies will probably remain in the hospital for at least two months and the mother should be released in a week, Maples said.

The world's first live octuplets were born in March 1967 in Mexico City, but all the babies died within 14 hours, according to Encyclopedia Britanica.

The United States' first live octuplets were born in Houston in December 1998. They were three months premature and their weights at birth ranged from 11 ounces to 1 pound, 11 ounces. The tiniest infant died of heart and lung failure a week after being born. The surviving siblings — girls Ebuka, Gorom, Chidi, Chima and Echerem, and their brothers Ikem and Jioke — turned 10 in December.

Their mother and father, Nkem Chukwu and Iyke Louis Udobi, said they are astonished and grateful their children have grown up to be healthy and active. Chukwu is even happier to hear another mother successfully accomplished the same feat.

"It's a blessing, truly a blessing," Chukwu told The Associated Press. "We'll keep praying for them."

Forty-six hospital staff and four delivery rooms were used for the latest octuplets' births. After one baby was born, staff rushed the newborn into another room and waited for the next, the hospital said. But despite weeks of preparation, doctors did not expect the eighth child.

"It is quite easy to miss a baby when you're anticipating seven babies," said Dr. Harold Henry, chief of maternal and fetal medicine at the hospital. "Ultrasound doesn't show you everything."

Doctors said they repeatedly conducted practice sessions on the deliveries and were well prepared. Gupta said the woman was given spinal anesthesia and could hear the babies as they came out.

"When the first baby came out, he was crying and kicking," Gupta said. "That eased the tension in the operating room because the first one came out healthy."

Dr. Richard Paulson, director of the fertility program at the University of Southern California, said octuplets born premature could face serious health risks, including breathing problems and neurological damage. The mother also has an increased risk of hemorrhage, Paulson said.

"It's a risky decision to try to have all eight babies," said Paulson, who had no role in the delivery. "I would not recommend it under any circumstances, but I respect a parent's decision."

For people who use fertility drugs, the vast majority of births — 80 percent — are single babies. Among multiple births, the most common are twins, Paulson said.

Paulson said the latest births likely resulted from the use of fertility drugs and not in vitro fertilization.

"When you hear about someone having octuplets, it's almost always the case that they took fertility medications and not IVF," he said.

It's easier to control the number of births through in vitro fertilization, which involves combining egg and sperm in a lab dish and transferring the embryo into the uterus. Fertility drugs induce or enhance ovulation and couples often opt for selective reduction, in which women carrying multiple fetuses reduce the number of viable fetuses to two.

The Bellflower medical center is about 17 miles southeast of Los Angeles.

[Talitha]

That's the problem with someone coming from Californication.
There are no True Christians™ living in that bed of Sin and Iniquity.

Micah 2 1:3
Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.


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[WilliamJenningsBryan]

The article does not mention it, but I heard that only cathylicks have that many kids.

[jessev]

I'm not quite sure how one would have to sleep with a man 8 times to conceive 8 babies. Is it not possible to conceive all at the same time?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by jessev

I'm not quite sure how one would have to sleep with a man 8 times to conceive 8 babies. Is it not possible to conceive all at the same time?

When you're older you'll understand these things. For the time being you need to accept Jesus as your personal Savior© and follow the Holy Bible word for word.

Doesn't your father ever lay on good Christian beatings?

[SUV]

"Nkem Chukwu and Iyke Louis Udobi"

Eek! Although I'm deelighted to see Jesus' Command to "Be Fruity and Multiply" being followed in these Child-less, secular days, I have to wonder: Are they pods or Robots or something to have come from "Parents" with names like this?!

[Mistress Cookie]

Originally Posted by SUV

"Nkem Chukwu and Iyke Louis Udobi"

Oh...I was so in shock I hadn't even noticed those names!

Maybe God sent them so many babies so they'd spend all their money on diapers, instead of crack?

[Deaner]

Originally Posted by Mistress Cookie

Oh...I was so in shock I hadn't even noticed those names!

Maybe God sent them so many babies so they'd spend all their money on diapers, instead of crack?

That's what I figured when I saw the names too. That woman was willingly gang-banged by a bunch of darkies.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Unelected liberal activist judges gave the green light to homer "marriage" in that state, and now this happened. You may say it's a coincidence, but I say Proposition 8 didn't come a minute too soon.

[Mistress Cookie]

The further outrage is that we now know babies can see, hear and even pray while inside the mother, from the moment of conception.

So, the first 7 babies now have being assaulted by deviant sex acts as their first memories

What chance do they really have for a normal life?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by jessev

I'm not quite sure how one would have to sleep with a man 8 times to conceive 8 babies. Is it not possible to conceive all at the same time?

They were all different weights and were all in various stages of development, meaning they were conceived at different times. Some of them were more mature than others.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Mistress Cookie]

Originally Posted by Mistress Cookie

"When the first baby came out, he was crying and kicking," [Doctor] Gupta said."

What further proof do we need that these children were deeply, deeply abused?

[JennyD]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this thread was about Madonna.

My bad.

[SUV]

Originally Posted by JennyD

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this thread was about Madonna.

Pssst, Sister Jenny! It probably is. She's probably gone and "re-invented" herself with one or more of these un-natural Names

[Mistress Cookie]

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Originally Posted by Mistress Cookie

[Hospital officials] did, however, say she planned to breast feed all of them. "She's a very strong woman, so she probably will be able to handle all eight babies," said Dr. Mandhir Gupta.

Does that mean she has 8 breasts??

[JennyD]

Does that mean she has 8 breasts??

Sows usually do, don't they?

I guess it's NOT about Madonna, she only has the two cone-shaped ones.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Originally Posted by Mistress Cookie

Does that mean she has 8 breasts??

Probably not, but there is a good chance she will be using one of these:

[SUV]

At least perhaps this Mother - what was her Name, Upchuck Koombaya, or something like that? - with 6 Babies to Care for will not fall into SIN as this Grace-less Mother did. (I am absolutely shocked not to have seen JESUS - or at least God - mentioned in the following)

Jan 27, 11:59 PM EST

Jurors weep at details of 'Baby Grace' torture

By JUAN A. LOZANO
Associated Press Writer


AP Photo

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) -- Jurors wept Tuesday watching a woman describe how teaching her 2-year-old daughter proper manners turned into a daylong torture session in which the toddler was beaten with belts, dunked in cold water and flung across a room so violently that she died.
Kimberly Trenor, 20, detailed the abuse in a videotaped statement played for jurors during the first day of her capital murder trial.
Trenor, 20, told investigators in the statement that she hit her daughter with a thick leather belt to teach her to say "please" and "yes, sir."
The little victim was dubbed "Baby Grace" by investigators who worked to identify her decomposed remains after the body was found in a plastic container in October 2007 on a tiny island in Galveston Bay.
Trenor's 25-year-old husband, Royce Zeigler II, is to be tried separately on murder charges. His attorney argues that Trenor is responsible for the child's death.
But Trenor insisted it was her husband who became so enraged when the toddler didn't behave better that he hurled her several times across a room, ultimately fracturing her skull and killing her.
"I said we have to get her to a hospital. (Zeigler) said, 'No we can't. We'll go to jail,'" Trenor said in the videotape, crying. "There came a point where she stopped breathing. He started doing CPR on the floor. He took her ... and handed her over to me. I could just feel her going cold."
At the defense table, Trenor's eyes teared up as she watched the videotape on a large screen. Several jurors wiped away tears.
Riley Ann Sawyers tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, "I love you," assistant district attorney Kayla Allen told jurors earlier in the day during her opening statement.
The toddler's pleas didn't stop her mother from brutalizing her, the prosecutor said.
Allen said that on July 25, 2007, Trenor and Zeigler disciplined Riley by whipping her with a belt, pushing her head against a pillow and holding her head under water. She said Zeigler tossed Riley across the room, fracturing her skull. An autopsy concluded the fractures caused her death.
Allen said the adults did nothing to help even as Riley lay dying.
Instead, the couple bought a plastic container, stuffed Riley's body inside and stored it in a shed for a month or two before setting it out to sea, the prosecutor said.
Defense attorney Tommy Stickler Jr. told the jury that Trenor never intended to kill her daughter and that things just "spun out of control."
Stickler portrayed Trenor as a scared 19-year-old girl who had moved to Texas from Ohio to marry a man she met while playing an online game. She said Riley's father, her former boyfriend, had assaulted her and Zeigler was her "knight in shining armor."
"I don't want to use the word accident, but this wasn't something that was intentional," Stickler said.
Trenor could receive an automatic sentence of life in prison without parole if convicted of capital murder. The jury could also convict her of a lesser charge.
Prosecutors declined to seek the death penalty because they didn't think they could prove that either one would be a future danger, as required.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by SUV

Jurors weep at details of 'Baby Grace' torture

What a sad story. The Lord sure works in mysterious ways.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[jessev]

I believe I do know enough about the subject. I am no doctor and have no children myself. But I am a biology major. I understand how reproduction works. I was simply asking why it was assumed how having eight children has anything to do with having one partner or many.

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

When you're older you'll understand these things. For the time being you need to accept Jesus as your personal Savior© and follow the Holy Bible word for word.

Doesn't your father ever lay on good Christian beatings?