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Default Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 04:30 PM

Look, I want to make my position on this very clear and in writing to the entire congregation; I am not advocating wearing dresses or anything feminine but no were in The Bible does it say a man has to wear pants. Ok I accept I need to wear pants when I go to Sunday service but I don't see the need for them at other times.

Were supposed to be doing what Jesus did, right? Jesus didn't wear pants but no one accused Him of being a long haired, bear footed faggot in a dress. All I am saying is I don't see why man have to wear pants all the time.



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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 04:34 PM

I don't wear pants all the time, just in public.


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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 04:40 PM

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I don't wear pants all the time, just in public.
That's fun and your choice but like I said after Sunday service yesterday were is there some rule in The Bible that says we HAVE to?

And I am getting a little irritated about the implication that I forget to wear my pants. Frankly I expect a little better from my Christian brethren than some cheep shot like that.



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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 04:44 PM

Jesus lived in a desert, so I think that plays a role as well. Although it is not explicit in the Holy Bible I think what it all means is that here in air conditioned America women have to wear dresses (ones that cover everything and make "rape" impossible) and men have to wear pants.

Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Clearly men and women have to dress differently and are not allowed to wear each others clothes. Men wearing pants and women wearing dresses seems to be fitting here.

1 Timothy 2:9-10
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array"


This is the one I like to call the "no sluts rule". Just decent, modest, covering everything clothing.

Leviticus 19:28
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."


And here we have no tattoos, no makeup, etc.

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Since Deuteronomy 22:5 does not say "in public" I am not so sure this is indeed allowed.


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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 04:52 PM

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Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Clearly men and women have to dress differently and are not allowed to wear each others clothes. Men wearing pants and women wearing dresses seems to be fitting here.

1 Timothy 2:9-10
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array"

I wear boxers shorts and my glock holster so modesty is covered and frankly I would think my hairy legs make it clear I am not a girl. This is all over the warts on my legs, isn't it? Well sorry Jesus don't make me one of the beautiful people.

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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 05:00 PM

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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-12-2010, 05:02 PM

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Are shorts considered pants?
You put them on over your boxers so the same thing.



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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 05:43 AM

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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 07:31 AM

Call me old fashioned but True Christian™ men should wear real pants. Always. After all we should set the example for everyone else to follow.


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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 09:08 AM

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Look, I want to make my position on this very clear and in writing to the entire congregation; I am not advocating wearing dresses or anything feminine but no were in The Bible does it say a man has to wear pants. Ok I accept I need to wear pants when I go to Sunday service but I don't see the need for them at other times.

Were supposed to be doing what Jesus did, right? Jesus didn't wear pants but no one accused Him of being a long haired, bear footed faggot in a dress. All I am saying is I don't see why man have to wear pants all the time.
There is only one true way to wear Pants. That way is firmly secured, under the armpits, with a solid belt. The firmer the belt the easier it is to wear a shoulder carry weapon. Just in case you need to cleanse a heathen.


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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 10:34 AM

I concur with Brother Bobby-Joe on this. In fact, the ban on men wearing dresses always seemed odd to me, as Jesus never wore pants, and He is our Great Example:

1 Peter 2:21:

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps

Additionally, Brother Cranky's first Scripture quote:

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Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."


was written in a time when pants were an unknown phenomenon. I think it is a rather strange assertion that Moses spoke about pants here. If we want to follow this Scripture Verse, we must do research on what kind of clothing men and women wore those days.

Additionally, if it mattered that they lived in the desert, while we do not, why didn't Moses then give permission to wear other garments in winter, cold weather, or foreign countries?


Let's look a bit further: what is the history of pants? In fact, it turns out that pants weren't invented by Christians, but by Godless pagans:

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Nomadic Iranian horsemen invented the trousers and the Iranian Scythians along with the Achaemenid Persians became the early adopters of trousers.[2][3]
In ancient China, only soldiers wore trousers.

I myself always wear pants, because that's what I've learned since my youth. However, I think the Bible does not prohibit not wearing pants. Should we perhaps ask the Pastors this? It seems like a doctrinal issue to me.

For more information, I've found this excellent article on this subject and Deuteronomy 22:5. The conclusion:

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In short, the issue of clothing must always be carefully, thoughtfully and honestly studied from a scriptural perspective while allowing the scriptures to be the ultimate authority on such issues. A thorough study into the clothing norms of the Bible reveals that there was no distinction between men’s and women’s clothing in the Bible beyond stylistic differences such as trim, color and size. In fact, God Himself made clothing for Adam and Eve that was so similar that one word (kethoneth) could describe the specific garment he made for each of them. This same word describes the clothing worn by Godly men and women throughout the Bible from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Yet today, many Christians demand much more than even the Bible did by requiring not only a difference in style but a difference in function and form as well. If God makes no such clothing demands on His people, then who are we to make them? Do we know better than God?



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was written in a time when pants were an unknown phenomenon
It was written around 1611 by the men of King James while they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. I assure you they had pants in those times.

But even if the Bible does not specifically require us to wear pants I still think we should to set a good example for others to follow.

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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 10:57 AM

So long as none of you start wearing Trousers. If you end up in Trousers you'll burn for eternity in Hell

Daniel 3:21 - So these men, wearing their robes TROUSERS, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace.

Never mind turbans and robes, because no good true Christian American would be caught dead in either. But you must deny the urge for Trousers.


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Default Re: Pants debate continued - 04-13-2010, 11:02 AM

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It was written around 1611 by the men of King James while they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. I assure you they had pants in those times.
You have a very good point there, Brother. We need to take that into consideration.


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I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

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