[Corporal Bilo]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

You don't know when you are going to die, though. What if you died unexpectedly and were unsaved? You'd be out of luck then. Why don't you repent right now? Accept Jesus Christ as your savior so that you may have eternal life!

Even Constantine waited til he had reached his ambitions before he converted.

So why cast away all the fun so soon?

Of course, I'm already a devout Baptist, but I can at least acknowledge the opinions of the naysayers.

[Nurama]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

You don't know when you are going to die, though. What if you died unexpectedly and were unsaved? You'd be out of luck then. Why don't you repent right now? Accept Jesus Christ as your savior so that you may have eternal life!

Well, isn't it true that when death comes your way, you stand before God and he either opens them pearly gates or drops you down below. If said is true I will repent my sins then right to the "face" of God.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Nurama

Well, isn't it true that when death comes your way, you stand before God and he either opens them pearly gates or drops you down below. If said is true I will repent my sins then right to the "face" of God.

Not quite, slick.

Last minute repenting is the oldest trick in the book and He does not fall for it. The sooner you repent, the better off you will be. There does come a point when repenting does not work. You'll never know when that point is. You can gamble or you can take the sure thing.

[Richard Boderman]

First, I'd like to say that I actually am unorthodox, but hear me out.

I am very concerned about this board's isolationist ideas about raising children.

Also, I'm shocked this board is concerned about violence when you have this:

<sarcasm>A very mature stance.</sarcasm>

I think everyone here needs to take a step back from this being a video game, and see it as a "what-if" documentary or something like that.

A lot of us lived through the Cold War. Did we really live, not concerned that something like this would happen to us? Did we not think about what we'd do in the case of an attack? No, we had thought about becoming prepared and formed plans on how to do so.

But to be prepared we needed to know what the dangers were.

All video games with a strong story prepare us in some way for dealing with life. This is not at all unique to video games, any media is the same. Some talk about romance and love. A few talk about radical beliefs. Many talk about the motivations and justifications for war. At their heart, it's the gameplay that keeps people playing these games, but the experience is still there. Violent gameplay and the story along with it makes people aware of what happens out in the real world, what people really care capable of.

Even when they are committing these violent acts in a video game, only the [temporarily] mentally disturbed would be able to carry out these acts in real life. The super majority of people are able to determine the difference between what is real life and what isn't, and that they are shooting pixels and 3d renders, not shooting people. Even then, many people have a twinge in their gut when they choose an evil path. But the experience is there, and they'll be able to mentally handle the news of something similar occurring in real life.

You can't say that the evils committed in all of these video games don't happen regularly in real life. Why not prepare the child for what terrible things occur. Why not help him get over the shock of a single death, and help him see the circumstances. Self-Defense? Homeland Invasion? Will to Survive?

There is so much gray in life, and it's disrespectful to lie to an adolescent child, saying that life is black and white. That God and Satan can exist without each other and never mingle. That only certain people are capable of doing evil.

We all are capable, even with God by your side. History has proven that.

Of course, if we are purely talking about representations of Satan, and any reference to him outside of the Bible is wrong, then I can't debate against such a radical belief... and that is radical. God is as ever-present as Satan.

[James Hutchins]

h Richard, poor mis-guided Richard.
1) Read the Forum Rules
2) This is a Christian Baptist Forum, not 'Joos Today'
3) You do not like what we are fine. Do not come in her, puking your hate and intolerance. We do not go to your synagogues and crap in your beanies.

[Richard Boderman]

I'm trying to be reasonable... but fine.

[Giant Negro]

If these "game" developers worship Satan so much then they should just join him and leave our pure innocent youth alone.

I suggest we write a petition to shutdown their company and force them to find Jesus.

[GameMan]

Hey guys, love the thread.
As an avid player of Fallout 3 It concerns me that you are, in fact, missing some of the most satanic themes from the game:

The perk "Contract Killer" makes the player character a literal tool of murder for the devil himself. By meeting up with "Daniel Littlehorn" in his pristine office in the middle of the barren wasteland, he proposes that the player character KILL INNOCENT AND MORALLY RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE, remove their ears, and bring them back to him, where the player character will be compensated for each ear with bottle caps (the currency of the wasteland). Mind you, Daniel Does not want any ears unless they are from the morally just.
This clearly gives the player character incentive to kill the good characters, rather than just anyone.

In the Extra content "Point lookout" (which i have not purchased for the following reason) there is A man by the name of "Obadiah Blackhall" who seems like a polite man but asks the player character to fetch a book of his, the "Krivbeknih" (which i assume is pronounced: "Kriv-BECK-knee", and is supposedly some sort of book of the devil, such as the Necronomicon)
Doing this sinister deed for this "polite old man" is once again rewarded with bottlecaps, once again giving incentive for the player character to do deeds of the devil for moeny.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Richard Boderman

I'm trying to be reasonable... but fine.

Still don't want to follow the rules, do you?

[Richard Boderman]

I'm sorry! What am I doing wrong?

[Nobar King]

See, it's even worse than we thought, and all those fallout trolls were here just to try to set us off of the trail of Satan's evil work.

[Richard Boderman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0ltnJWqTU

Good ending. The code to that keypad is 216. Revelation 21:6

"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."

That machine is a water purifier, purifying the irradiated water of the Potomic River.

[herpes]

wow u ppl are all freaks that give REAL christians a bad name

1. Oblivion is not Hell
2. Daedra are not demons
3. Elves are not demons


"There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name"


No, it comes across as that because Bethesda screwed up. Oblivion is many different realms, and the one u seen is the only one that looks like hell


"This game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign"."


Have you ever celebrated your birthday or worked out what day you were born on? Everyone has a birthsign.


that screen shot does not even exist the dark elf does not exist none of that exists so that is worthless



as for y god is not metiond bcauses it is a GAME and if u say u seen the dark brotherhood and thives guild then u were playing with a sinner there are lots of good things to do

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by hermes701

..........Rantings of a little child..................................

You are wrong

[herpes]

sry the last post was on the wrong place

never played this game but it is not as bad as u portray it to be. vilance u would kill any thing trying to kill u or would u lay down and die?? this place is full of ass holes

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by GameMan

Hey guys, love the thread.
As an avid player of Fallout 3 It concerns me that you are, in fact, missing some of the most satanic themes from the game:

The perk "Contract Killer" makes the player character a literal tool of murder for the devil himself. By meeting up with "Daniel Littlehorn" in his pristine office in the middle of the barren wasteland, he proposes that the player character KILL INNOCENT AND MORALLY RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE, remove their ears, and bring them back to him, where the player character will be compensated for each ear with bottle caps (the currency of the wasteland). Mind you, Daniel Does not want any ears unless they are from the morally just.
This clearly gives the player character incentive to kill the good characters, rather than just anyone.

In the Extra content "Point lookout" (which i have not purchased for the following reason) there is A man by the name of "Obadiah Blackhall" who seems like a polite man but asks the player character to fetch a book of his, the "Krivbeknih" (which i assume is pronounced: "Kriv-BECK-knee", and is supposedly some sort of book of the devil, such as the Necronomicon)
Doing this sinister deed for this "polite old man" is once again rewarded with bottlecaps, once again giving incentive for the player character to do deeds of the devil for moeny.

Thank you very much for pointing this out! I had not played the game at length to take in the full scope of what was out there. It amazes me that what I saw I thought was bad, little did I know how much worse it gets! I think we can all now agree that Fallout 3 is ripe with Satanism and pure unadulterated evil.

[wishuwereme]

I've went to a Catholic School and studied on religion and even read the Divine Comedy and know a little bit about this and have played Oblivion and Fallout 3 and chose to be good in both games and there als a perk in Fallout 3 that is called Lawbringer and lets u kill the unjust people for money also so there is balance in this GAME.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by hermes701

sry the last post was on the wrong place

never played this game but it is not as bad as u portray it to be. vilance u would kill any thing trying to kill u or would u lay down and die?? this place is full of ass holes

Listen child, grownups are here, go run along. Shoo!

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by wishuwereme

I've went to a Catholic School

It shows. Maybe your dad should ask for a refund.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

It shows. Maybe your dad should ask for a refund.

Probably too late as don papist Pope already has his 99% cut.