[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Jake Smith

I couldn't imagine courting someone age 13-16. Girls that age have barely hit puberty.

I think you might want to check that assertion. American girls typically hit puberty between the age of 8 (and I would agree that this is often too young for marriage) and 13 (which is illegal under secular law in most states). But at your age, a 16-year-old sounds just perfect.

You should bear in mind that younger women tend to have less experience of the world, and are therefore less "picky". This is always to the benefit of the man.

[Jake Smith]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

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Hello! Nice to meet you Mr. Hutchins!

[Jake Smith]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

You should bear in mind that younger women tend to have less experience of the world, and are therefore less "picky". This is always to the benefit of the man.

That might be true, but I still do not have any desire to court someone that young. I am wanting someone a little closer to my age.

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Jake Smith

That might be true, but I still do not have any desire to court someone that young. I am wanting someone a little closer to my age.

Smith, a 16 year old could perhaps bear eight more soldiers for Christ than an old maid of 22. Are we not to be fruitful and multiply? And if you had the choice between a 13 year old and a 23 year old for the marriage bed, you're saying you'd pick the older one? I just don't get it.

[Jake Smith]

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Smith, a 16 year old could perhaps bear eight more soldiers for Christ than an old maid of 22. Are we not to be fruitful and multiply? And if you had the choice between a 13 year old and a 23 year old for the marriage bed, you're saying you'd pick the older one? I just don't get it.

I would for sure choose the 23 year old. And I only want 3-4 kids. A 23 year old has plenty of fertility left to produce at least 4 kids.

[Unfalsifiable]

Originally Posted by Jake Smith

I would for sure choose the 23 year old. And I only want 3-4 kids. A 23 year old has plenty of fertility left to produce at least 4 kids.

All I hear from you is "I want this" "I want that". Never "God wants this" or "Jericho that".



You need a change of mentality.

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Jake Smith

I would for sure choose the 23 year old. And I only want 3-4 kids. A 23 year old has plenty of fertility left to produce at least 4 kids.

Son, you're just not getting it. Like Unfalsifiable said, it's not about what you want, it's about what God wants. Where does the Bible say 'Be fruitful and multiply, but then if you decide you have enough kids, start using condoms and abortions?' No, the purpose of marriage is to produce more soldiers for God's army (and, less desirably, wives for the soldiers in God's army). It's not about Jake Smith having his ideal little family with 3.5 kids and a white picket fence, it's about war with the Devil.


Throughout most of history it's been routine for adult men to marry young teenage girls (say 12-14), do you have a problem with Biblical patriarchs or modern Baptist pastors doing this?

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by Jake Smith

I would for sure choose the 23 year old. And I only want 3-4 kids. A 23 year old has plenty of fertility left to produce at least 4 kids.

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Son, you're just not getting it. Like Unfalsifiable said, it's not about what you want, it's about what God wants. Where does the Bible say 'Be fruitful and multiply, but then if you decide you have enough kids, start using condoms and abortions?' No, the purpose of marriage is to produce more soldiers for God's army (and, less desirably, wives for the soldiers in God's army). It's not about Jake Smith having his ideal little family with 3.5 kids and a white picket fence, it's about war with the Devil.

Throughout most of history it's been routine for adult men to marry young teenage girls (say 12-14), do you have a problem with Biblical patriarchs or modern Baptist pastors doing this?

I'm afraid dear Unfalsifiable and Brother Lukes are right, dear Mr. Smith. It's not up to us to decide how many children that the good should give to us. I mean, it is holy plan, and we must not interfere with honorable and heavenly intentions. Why, this is even declared within the wondrous pages of the :

Psalm 127:3-5:
3 Lo, children are an heritage of the : and the fruit of the womb is reward.
4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

Psalm 113:9:
He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the .

And, being joyful unto the will be a tremendous benefit to your wife! Instead of being merely content with four children, why, just think of the unspeakable joy that she will have when she has received the many gifts from the quiver!

Nehemiah 8:10:
Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our : neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the is your strength.

It is my prayer that you, too, can know the joy that is ever-present to parents of families with abundant quivers!

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Son, you're just not getting it. Like Unfalsifiable said, it's not about what you want, it's about what God wants. Where does the Bible say 'Be fruitful and multiply, but then if you decide you have enough kids, start using condoms and abortions?' No, the purpose of marriage is to produce more soldiers for God's army (and, less desirably, wives for the soldiers in God's army). It's not about Jake Smith having his ideal little family with 3.5 kids and a white picket fence, it's about war with the Devil.

Throughout most of history it's been routine for adult men to marry young teenage girls (say 12-14), do you have a problem with Biblical patriarchs or modern Baptist pastors doing this?

Indeed, Brother in Christ,
We also should not forget the illuminating and rousing True Story™ of perhaps the greatest romantic couple in the Bible (hence, absolutely True™) of Isaac and Rebecca. I've covered the essentials here
Basically, while the glorious KJV does not give exact ages of the happy couple in years and days, the wonderful KJV sometimes refers to other texts. And if the KJV considers another text good enough, so should we. One of these books is the Book of Jasher that tells us more:

Jasher 24: 39-41

And they all blessed the Lord who brought this about, and they gave him, Rebecca, the daughter of Bethuel, for a wife for Isaac. And the young woman was of very comely appearance, she was a virgin, and Rebecca was ten years old in those days. And Bethuel and Laban and his children made a feast on that night, and Eliezer and his men came and ate and drank and rejoiced there on that night.

In addition, we can know for certain, that Isaac fornicated with Rebecca the next night.

Genesis 24:67
And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.So we know that Rebecca was at most 10 when their marriage was consummated. There is margin of error, though. The Jews are very good at mathematics, and that is why they are very good at financial businesses. They have checked the above and found a potential error:

1. Sarah gave birth to Isaac at the age of 90 (Genesis 17).

2. Sarah died at the age of 127 (Genesis 23:1-3)
3.The incident on Mount Moria (Genesis 22) and the birth of Rebecca happened at the same time, when Isaac was 36 (or 37) years old, same time when Sarah died (Genesis 23:1-3).
4. The verses all looked together tells us that Isaac was 37-years-old when Rebecca was born.

This fact that Isaac was sacrificed in his 30s is well attested by nearly all ancient sources and Rabbis.

Jasher 24: 44-15.
44. And Isaac took Rebecca and she became his wife, and he brought her into the tent.
45. And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebecca, the daughter of his uncle Bethuel, for a wife.

OK. This romantic union took place when Rebecca was 3. Or at least younger than 11. Isaac became the founding father of the bloodline that led to the mundane body of Jesus so this marriage must have been something that God strongly supported.

Of course, this all depends on the father of the woman who has the ownership until transferred to the husband.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Jake Smith]

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Son, you're just not getting it. Like Unfalsifiable said, it's not about what you want, it's about what God wants. Where does the Bible say 'Be fruitful and multiply, but then if you decide you have enough kids, start using condoms and abortions?' No, the purpose of marriage is to produce more soldiers for God's army (and, less desirably, wives for the soldiers in God's army). It's not about Jake Smith having his ideal little family with 3.5 kids and a white picket fence, it's about war with the Devil.

While I understand that one of the main goals of a marriage is to be fruitful and multiply, there is also other purposes. God clearly saw that Adam was alone in the garden in Genesis 2:18 and decided that he need a companion. It is also important to understand that marriage is also picture of the relationship between Christ and the Church. Ephesians 5:23-27 clearly shows this comparison. I also think that pleasure within the confinements of marriage is biblical, and this idea can be seen in Song of Solomon.

As for the war with the enemy, the enemy is either aborting or mutilating their kids. I think having four kids is plenty enough to out-breed them.