[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Estrada

Yes, we baptize babies

That's not in the Bible. Pouring water over a baby's head is meaningless.

however I couldn't be participant on some of you beliefs i saw you cause some injure to you woman after the marriage I personally couldn't hurt any body in this life.

I don't know what beliefs you're talking about specifically, you didn't say. But take for example spanking children. The Bible tells parents to hit their kids.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.

Originally Posted by Sebastian Estrada

however Christians who ask saints to intercede for them do not brake the law (KJV):

2 Thessalonians 3
1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

James 5:6
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I hope you're not using these verses to justify asking dead saints to intercede for you. The saints in these verses are very much alive.

[Sebastian Estrada]

Originally Posted by Alan Swallows

That's not in the Bible. Pouring water over a baby's head is meaningless.

What vesicle says NOT to do it or is meaningless? If none.. then you are using your own opinion not Jesus's.


I don't know what beliefs you're talking about specifically, you didn't say. But take for example spanking children. The Bible tells parents to hit their kids.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.

Again....too easy:
Ephesians 6 (NKJV)
4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

Colossians 3
21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.


Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.


I hope you're not using these verses to justify asking dead saints to intercede for you. The saints in these verses are very much alive.

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Luke 16
22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.

Revelation 6
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Estrada

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in my experience a person who is sleeping cannot pray at the same time. Unless this person is dreaming about praying, but that's something entirely different - that's a product of this person's imagination and not an actual prayer.

Luke 16
22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.

...That's one person. And we don't know if he can hear our prayers, either. Now go and find me a verse that says that dead people whom you call saints (half of whom are Christianized pagan gods, anyway) are AWAKE and listening to your prayers.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

As far as I know, the Judgement Day hasn't happened yet. (I didn't get that newsletter!) So, that verse hasn't happened yet.

[Sebastian Estrada]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in my experience a person who is sleeping cannot pray at the same time. Unless this person is dreaming about praying, but that's something entirely different - that's a product of this person's imagination and not an actual prayer.



...That's one person. And we don't know if he can hear our prayers, either. Now go and find me a verse that says that dead people whom you call saints (half of whom are Christianized pagan gods, anyway) are AWAKE and listening to your prayers.



As far as I know, the Judgement Day hasn't happened yet. (I didn't get that newsletter!) So, that verse hasn't happened yet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA for what u have answered, I BET MY HOUSE YOU ARE 13yo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Estrada

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA for what u have answered, I BET MY HOUSE YOU ARE 13yo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

In other words: you do not have an actual answer, because otherwise you wouldn't feel compelled to resort to ad hominem attacks.

May I ask a question, how does breaking one of the Ten Commandments feel like? I'm talking about the graven images thing (unless there are other Commandments that you have also broken).

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Estrada

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

None of these verses say you can ask sleeping saints to pray for you. To those of us left behind, our sleeping brothers and sisters are as far beyond our reach as a dead unbeliever. We can't see them or talk to them.

Again....too easy:
Ephesians 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Colossians 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

You bring up your children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord by hitting them. Otherwise the Bible would be contradicting itself.